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There is a general theme here of "a 1% runic failure chance is somewhat worse than a 1% losing the rift-race chance"
That's a pretty important qualifier, because I wholeheartedly disagree.

There are fates worth than death, and an amnesiac madman - now no longer the most charismatic of his group of idiots - bursting onto the world scene very well may lead to them. Sasori being given the entirety of sand for puppetry, Deidara exploding cities for fun, Hidan.
Moreover, it might shift into "go missing for real so you do have enough time" or "pull the trigger and attempt to kill Akatsuki with a substantial but still less than ideal chance of victory" or other different end-states, imposing a cost but keeping us in the game to try again at a later date. Heck, if Pain really doesn't go for Nagi 2.0 anytime soon we might have years of that "post-defeat" time to grow and adapt our plans. While I do want to work as fast as we can to minimize the risk of being too slow, "being too slow" is very far from an outright Game Over, in contrast to a runic failure.

We absolutely need to prioritize safety here.
There's other parties besides akatsuki. The color Cabal is still after us, Mist would love to fuck our shit up, and there's still a leak in the tower. We were sent on this mission because it was the most likely thing for Leaf leaders to do - that simulation doesn't stop ticking. What happens when the hagoromo learn we're on a blacksite doing seal research that could end amity? They could easily force Naruto into actually cutting is off. That means no foom, difficulty filling runes, the danger of our loved ones, etc. There are so many clocks ticking down.

Tangent - we should have kagome contract with some badass orbularium builders, and disguise our base as the home of a masssssssive chakra spider.

Heh rune of "summon clan boss" and it might be
 
There are fates worth than death, and an amnesiac madman - now no longer the most charismatic of his group of idiots - bursting onto the world scene very well may lead to them. Sasori being given the entirety of sand for puppetry, Deidara exploding cities for fun, Hidan.
Uh. Okay, so I don't want to take words out of the QMs mouths, but we're all but gotten confirmation that Naraka does not do amnesia/dementia like that... sorta.

One thing I will reassure you on: I am not willing to write a Jiraiya or Akane with dementia. Either you won't get them back or they'll recognize everyone and have the large majority of their personal memories. Maybe they've lost some jutsu or dropped some levels in Taijutsu etc, maybe there are a handful of minor experiences they've forgotten, but they'll remember who everyone is and the vast majority of their lived experience, and they won't have more than the usual amount of trouble remembering things going forward.

I'm saying this without even talking to the others because it's an absolute dealbreaker for me. I would quit the quest before I would write a Jiraiya or Akane with dementia symptoms.


EDIT: @Paperclipped and @Velorien have since told me that they wholeheartedly agree with my stance.

So, this is hard confirmation that Jiraiya isn't getting anything more than exp drain if he comes back at all. He's either all there or he's fully dead (probably the former, since we know he was mostly there as of the seance).

This is also fairly strong evidence that this holds true for other Uplift characters, as I can't imagine EJ being any more willing to write Akane with dementia.

And, finally, I'd argue that this is weak evidence that Naraka just doesn't do dementia. Why would, in simulation terms, Jiraiya come back okay but Pain comes back wrong? I don't want to put words in the QMs mouths, since I really like the sentiment they have there, but I also don't see how we could reasonably reach any other conclusion.
 


Envying an Artist​


Kazushi sat at his sealing desk, the predawn gloom beaten back by the light of a Daylight seal, looking at his sealing work. Every square inch of the low quality papers were filled with various charts, graphs, and equations –the fruitful results of his sealing research.

Force Walls.

Lord Hazō had asked for his help –his help! –researching the bog-standard Force Wall seal. Really, all Kazushi did was churn through the research grunt work like marking the astronomical influences, diagnosing which chthonic resonance worked with the dimensional shunts, and filtering out junk data from the various weather spirits who were feeling impish enough to mess with their initial readings.

It was honestly a little below his level of Sealing expertise, but the results were so very much worth it. To have a chance at working alongside his clan lord –Gōketsu Hazō, who invented skywalkers as a genin –Kazushi would gladly take up the mantle of junior researcher.

In truth, Lord Hazō hadn't needed Kazushi's help. The seal was too easy, and Lord Hazō was a far more accomplished sealmaster than Kazushi was. As far as bonding exercises go, it was pretty blatant; not that Kazushi minded, of course. Lord Hazō's moods might be… mercurial, but his sealing genius was such that not even the Hagoromo, blind bastards though they were, could deny it.

After all, Lord Hazō was a singularly unique sealmaster.

Rather than using more general-purpose sealing elements that worked "well enough" for a function, extant sealing elements that had been optimized and refined over the course of generations for safety and utility, Lord Hazō invented his own sealing elements, specialized to the situation at hand… and his clan lord did it on the fly.

Kazushi stared at his papers, eyes tracing over one of Lord Hazō's sealing elements, with a frown. It was an alternative to the Sogabe Slide, safely venting excess chakra that might occur during the seal's activation… but it was fragile, and hyper-specialized. Its foundation relied upon other elements in the Force Wall seal to support it, but the result was a much higher threshold of safety than what the Sogabe Slide could've offered.

During their time researching Force Walls, Lord Hazō had done that no less than three separate times! His eyes would lose focus for a few moments, his attention going to a place that only he could perceive, before picking up a brush and casually redefining Kazushi's preconceptions of sealing research!

Worse yet, Lord Hazō didn't even bother to name the sealing elements he created! Sure, they were hyper-specialized to the Force Wall seal, specifically, but the elements themselves were still unique creations that held mind-boggling implications about the underpinnings of sealing-as-a-discipline!

On Lady Mari's advice, Kazushi had taken to cataloging each unique sealing element, assigning them a placeholder name –"just until Hazō gets around to it," Lady Mari said –and submitting them to the Gōketsu Clan Vault.

Lord Hazō was a genius sealmaster, and suffice to say that helping him with Force Walls was a revolutionary experience. It showed Kazushi something that he didn't know was possible: Sealing Research, to Lord Hazō, was an art form.

Lord Hazō's eyes would go distant, and he would return with a revelatory work of sealing that the genius, somehow, couldn't explain. It was like speaking to one of Shinji's poet friends: they were never able to satisfactorily explain the "hows" and "whys" of their work's structure, only that it "was," and that the resultant poem was better for it.

Kazushi continued to stare at the pile of research papers. Working with Lord Hazō, even merely doing the grunt work, had left Kazushi nearly complete with his own research of the seal. Lord Hazō might have done most of the complex theory work, but Kazushi had aided in the research, discussed the more advanced sealing theory with him, and was armed with Lord Hazō's own specialized sealing elements.

Kazushi reached out, grabbing his calligraphy brush, and started more research prep. Kazushi was no artist, but with enough work, maybe he could reach those same heights.



A/N: Depression and chronic migraines work hard, but the MfD community works harder!
So so so sweet
 
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Hm. So now that we're out in the wild with Kei, can we test Banshee Seals with Kei's Echolocation jutsu?
 
Plan review: most of the catastrophic mistakes got fixed in the leading plan, now I'm mostly just confused why we're not mentioning the weird smell to Kei, who would presumably really want to know about that
 
Plan review: most of the catastrophic mistakes got fixed in the leading plan, now I'm mostly just confused why we're not mentioning the weird smell to Kei, who would presumably really want to know about that
Kei should already know about the scent, since she was with us when the tracking Dog identified it. There was a minor retcon, and Kei was the primary source, with Hazou and Kagome being secondary sources from interacting with Kei.

Our current guess, iirc, is that the scent is from Kei's Chakra Kitten, since the scent reminds the Doggo of the Leopard Clan.
 
So....how are we on the "how likely is the Akatsuki to find us is they start searching" situation at the moment?
They can immediately hold our family members/leaf hostage.
If/when we refuse anyways, the time to catch us is up to jashin/the unkindly one, who can guide hidan right to us.

If jashin has our back and doesn't help hidan, then Itachi+Deidara could try to invade toad together, gather 7th path allies for an invasion, convince bosses to flip on us, ect.
But our location on the human path would be pretty secure, at least from all the ninja bullshit that we know of.
 
Both of them got disabled and went into retirement. Beats the dying most of the rest of them did but still, I personally wouldn't count them as active Dragon Riders.
what about the hundreds and hundreds of dragons who continued to resist galbatorix after they lost their riders? They may not be 'dragonriders' themselves specifically, but
1. Theyre magically bound to a pact that makes them share personhood with people who were dragonriders
2. They dedicated their immortal existences to the continuation of the dragonriders institution and goals. Feels racist to say they're not dragonriders
3. Eldúnari get taken in saddle bags and thus do ride other dragons and thus are technically dragon riders anyways
 
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