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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Just. One. More. Chapter.
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- Book Fort
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Okay, ignore what I said earlier, this is the way.
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- Cave
[x][MissingWhen] I want to go missing but not until certain things have happened
[x][MissingHow] Take a long-term mission so that we are expected to be out of Leaf for a few weeks / months, then don't come back
[x][MissingWho] Modern Team Uplift (Hazō, Kagome, Mari, Kei, Noburi, Yuno)
[X][OrochimaruProcess] Have Orochimaru do the bioseal process that will break Hidan's current tracking lock on Hazō
[x][MissingHow] Take a long-term mission so that we are expected to be out of Leaf for a few weeks / months, then don't come back
[x][MissingWho] Modern Team Uplift (Hazō, Kagome, Mari, Kei, Noburi, Yuno)
[X][OrochimaruProcess] Have Orochimaru do the bioseal process that will break Hidan's current tracking lock on Hazō
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
It's nice to hear, yeah!
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I note that this Fourth Hokage dude seems to have gotten mysteriously dead'd just as he was getting into his stride and displaying some insane growth curves.
My understanding is that he said "Amaterasu" thrice during his Crusade fight, with the third use being split up into multiple syllables, and each time he said the word corresponds to one use of the jutsu(?) or whatever else Amaterasu's classified as. I was referring to his first use in the Crusade, which was indeed as liberal as you describe.
If each time he said "Amaterasu" doesn't correspond to a use, then nevermind me.
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IIRC, Asuma's tenure was about the same length as Minato's. Maybe a little bit longer?
I asked the QMs about it, here in the thread, and we got an answer...
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It may be that the individual casts of Amaterasu are less taxing to him than the amount of time Amaterasu is cast for, in each cast. Like the difference between using Shadow Clone to make 1 clone, and using Shadow Clone to make 100 clones.
It is, very much so. Thanks all!
Yes, very plausible.
As for staying, here's one thing that'd change my calculus for the interest of those who'd rather stay: Figuring out what Itachi's infoleak is and how to neutralize it. Itachi doesn't seem the type to make a threat he won't follow up on or set a prohibition he won't enforce. If he's been content to leave Hazo alone in Leaf, it's only because the unknown info leak hasn't yet told him that we're doing banned research.
On this topic, I strongly feel we should suspect Kurenai. We know we have a highly-placed leak and we know Itachi was content to make his statements and leave without taking further measures to enforce them. Itachi could plausibly have suborned Kurenai at the Battle of the Gods given what we heard of their encounter there and what Oro said of his genjutsu capabilities. Occasionally arranging meetings on missions to give further instructions/get info also explains a lot of the fuckery around Asuma's death and the planted evidence in his bedroom. Especially since Itachi'd also be genjutsu'ing Hidan under those circumstances- genjutsu is Hidan's biggest weakness and he was notably acting erratic about Jashin's visions and attacking Asuma. The second one's explainable as a result of the aurablasts, but what of the supposed Jashin visions pointing at Asuma?
There's other possibilities, but regardless of whether Itachi's suborned someone into being his mole or if he has some other method to spy on Leaf, figuring it out and counteracting it would make me much more willing to stay in Leaf and I suspect would help for many other people.
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There are easier people Itachi could hoodwink in the time he was in Leaf taking our shit than a Jonin specializing in Genjutsu, and who are also more closely-placed to us than the matriarch of a different clan who we barely interact with.
Like Kagome.
When has Itachi interacted with Kagome on the screen?
Moreover, Kagome is one of our main co-conspirators on necromancy and Itachi hasn't come by to smite us. I think we can eliminate him.
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Not on-screen, but off-screen. He had a lot of clones running around to take our shit.
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- Somewhere
- The lupchanz infecting Kagome protects him from being under long-term genjutsu.
- We also barely interact with Kagome lmao 😭
Not buying it for reasons stated above and also this one: Mind control plots go wrong very easily and they need to be clearly signposted. Itachi's subordination capabilities weren't known to us until well after he interacted with Kagome and under those circumstances, I don't think the QMs would make the choice to have him secretly suborn someone close to us. I do think they would make the choice to have him suborn someone distant from us but important to Leaf even before we knew he could do that.
I do want to note that this was against Reverse Summoning, and not Unsummoning. Oro was prevented from leaving the Human Path, not returning to it.
Perhaps the Rinnegan enabled Pain to do one of those ideas we've considered trying with Runes, claimed part of the Human Path the same way Summon Bosses do on the Seventh Path.
Although it appeared to take all his concentration.
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Oh crap. We probably helped Kabuto unstagnate his Calligraphy.
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Reaction post to Faflec. You guys really did knock something loose with this April fools.
To be very clear: I am very biased in favor of leaving, but always try to present arguments based on the same reasons I build my positions off internally.
Kumokōgō would absolutely burn Leaf down if we asked, the only reason she cares about the place is its connection to her ridiculously synergistic summoner.
Kei: Yeah i dont really expect anything useful out of the pangolins from this point on, unless we can find some cool counter culture pangolins for Kei to summon or something
Yeah yeah Ami was being totally irrational - I don't buy that as an argument sorry, Ami was spreading grued information, Kei only remembers the outcome and a justification for it.
I've got two techniques written up that should be accomplishable with our first TH mods. These will make every single aspect of going missing less dangerous/more profitable.
(Seikyuu and Seikyuu inversion, to be clear. The full hiraishin writeup got invalidated because jiraiya's vanishing seal isnt good enough without a research project or two)
I want Oro's first experience with Hazō's technique hacking to hearing impossible reports of him showing up in Waterfall, Sand, Tea, Rain, and Mist all in a two day period.
The best way to keep them safe is to make the departure sudden and the betrayal unmistakable. Collapsing the Hagoromo estate (after smoking them out somehow - stink bomb rune?)
actually just putting a permanently active stinkbomb rune in the hagoromo estate might be enough, they're within city walls lmao
i agree we should go here, but my priority list has it after the tenketsu widening pool. We need to check that for resesearch data. Woo aspects to tag!
Oh hey here it is. Yeah we should do this first.
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So, my impression. We need technique Hacking, then we have all the tools we need to break the setting open, and it's entirely earned.
Like, with just Buggsy's ice cube and my seikyuu Hazō could create a base of operations that akatsuki knows about *but can't fuck with*. We'll have so many options after just a few months researching.
Theres no way amaterasu can break through the ablative air-ice solid gravel pit thing they've made, and seikyuu makes it impossible to lock us down on either the 7th or human path. We could actually build Hidden Heaven, and straightforwardly contest the rift. I don't think we *should* do that, but I'd like to point out that it's within the capabilities that we are currently working towards.
Runes give us incredible area control and insane boosts for each finished project, while we'll use technique Hacking to build a suite of techniques that interface with seals, giving us absurd personal utility. With time to combine these, and hopefully a few hundred bonus xp from really good teachers, Uplift vs Akatsuki won't be a silly thought at all.
To be very clear: I am very biased in favor of leaving, but always try to present arguments based on the same reasons I build my positions off internally.
I agree with the premise but disagree with the framing: It is entirely safe to assume that Cannai has our back, at this point. We have lived up to the ethos of the Dog clan to an impressive degree, despite our personally limited combat power - which is something Cannai feels shame over judging us for. This is something that we should check in with him on - but if it slips it's going to be a "Foot in mouth" moment, not "Cannai tears our soul off his Summoning scroll"
Agreed, Noburi makes everything easier. Practically the only downside of bringing him is Lead taking hunting us seriously because of it.
Toads: I actually think being a badass and going missing is doing to do way more for noburis contracts than anything else he's done. They dgaf about reasonable morals, Toads like it when you do cool shit. They *are* still allied with the pangolins, despite being pissed at them.
Kumokōgō would absolutely burn Leaf down if we asked, the only reason she cares about the place is its connection to her ridiculously synergistic summoner.
Kei: Yeah i dont really expect anything useful out of the pangolins from this point on, unless we can find some cool counter culture pangolins for Kei to summon or something
He'll be able to teleport home any day of the week - that is, if we win, these problems are trivial to solve revardless.
Yep we need Mari. Sorry Leaf, shoulda trained more Jōnin
Kei is the only person who I can easily imagine turning down going missing with us. She turned down Ami, we can't reasonably expect her to go with us. We still need to offer it, and holy fuck imagine the drama If one of snowflake/Kei wants to come and the other wants to stay
Yeah yeah Ami was being totally irrational - I don't buy that as an argument sorry, Ami was spreading grued information, Kei only remembers the outcome and a justification for it.
Technique Hacking is the only thing on the list that's necessary to win. Runes are the other bit, but they're not on your list.
I've got two techniques written up that should be accomplishable with our first TH mods. These will make every single aspect of going missing less dangerous/more profitable.
(Seikyuu and Seikyuu inversion, to be clear. The full hiraishin writeup got invalidated because jiraiya's vanishing seal isnt good enough without a research project or two)
Nah she's our "QM mouthpiece" for combat. If Yuno is on scene and Hazō starts doing some dumb shit she instantly takes tactical command. She's done that more than once iirc, which is a flagrant dismissal of the chain of command that probably would have gotten her seriously punished in any non-Gōketsu clan. (Fire cave and neck combat from my memory)
I'm leaning towards leaving the last bit of time as a bargaining chip for meeting as missing nin. That's the kind of eccentric bullshit favor economy that essies like, and the other usage (taking over oros brain with a ninshū rune) doesn't have enough support to go anywhere
Disagree. I think we've about wrung this well dry, specifically because we've already gotten access to the top tier of everything. We'll just get worse versions of what we already have, less efficient versions of "Fireball No Jutsu". Its time to gtfo before Leaf chains both Hazō and Noburi to a desk
Disagree only because of the scale. Technique Hacking is imperative, Oro is completely wrong and should remember just which hivemind beat him to the punch on primordial sealing.
I want Oro's first experience with Hazō's technique hacking to hearing impossible reports of him showing up in Waterfall, Sand, Tea, Rain, and Mist all in a two day period.
The primary method we do this one through is game theory. That's the entire reason we go missing - Leaf treats us as an enemy, Akatsuki sides with Leaf.
The best way to keep them safe is to make the departure sudden and the betrayal unmistakable. Collapsing the Hagoromo estate (after smoking them out somehow - stink bomb rune?)
actually just putting a permanently active stinkbomb rune in the hagoromo estate might be enough, they're within city walls lmao
specifically the forbidden dungeon on crimson island. We do technically know of other forbidden dungeons.
i agree we should go here, but my priority list has it after the tenketsu widening pool. We need to check that for resesearch data. Woo aspects to tag!
Oh hey here it is. Yeah we should do this first.
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So, my impression. We need technique Hacking, then we have all the tools we need to break the setting open, and it's entirely earned.
Like, with just Buggsy's ice cube and my seikyuu Hazō could create a base of operations that akatsuki knows about *but can't fuck with*. We'll have so many options after just a few months researching.
Theres no way amaterasu can break through the ablative air-ice solid gravel pit thing they've made, and seikyuu makes it impossible to lock us down on either the 7th or human path. We could actually build Hidden Heaven, and straightforwardly contest the rift. I don't think we *should* do that, but I'd like to point out that it's within the capabilities that we are currently working towards.
Runes give us incredible area control and insane boosts for each finished project, while we'll use technique Hacking to build a suite of techniques that interface with seals, giving us absurd personal utility. With time to combine these, and hopefully a few hundred bonus xp from really good teachers, Uplift vs Akatsuki won't be a silly thought at all.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
It's been roughly ~10 days since we talked to the HC about leaving Pangolin. Since the plan specifies that we did that before working on RRBs.
Have they arrived in Toad yet? Are they due to arrive soon? I'd like to meet with the Toad Sages in the next 1-2 days IC, and I want to know if that's possible.
This sounds good to me. Hazou's tracking summons guarantee he gets to go, looks good.
Naruto might assign us a bigger escort because if something took down Mari+Yuno, it'll take more firepower than Hazou+Kagome have to settle things. this might end with us either having to kill leaf-nin, or expand the party large enough that "get everyone a summoning scroll" becomes a total pipe dream(which may already be the case)
we'll be giving up 2 months of FOOMing if Noburi is out of leaf, which totally sucks, but were weren't gonna get to keep monopolizing leaf's chakra like that
yeah, this plan seems good and I would like to vote for it,
During the Naruto Pepperoni incedent, Mari explained how TLitF works to him, and used in on his SC while others watch.
also "kidnap Hazou and Kagome, but let the other leaf-nin go as witnesses" is really weird behavior for an attacker, and just raises more suspicions.
and this gives the Tower a bunch of specific intel about our aleged dissapearance, vs the much more secure "???" that a clean disappearance gives.
I think we need to make anyone who joins this mission into either corpses or accomplices.
[X][MissingWhen] I want to send Noburi, Yuno, Kei, and Mari on a scroll hunt immediately. latter, when TH training is done, have them "dissapear" and send Hazou+Kagome to investigate.
[X][MissingHow] I want to send Noburi, Yuno, Kei, and Mari on a scroll hunt immediately. latter, when TH training is done, have them "dissapear" and send Hazou+Kagome to investigate.
[X][MissingHow] I want to send Noburi, Yuno, Kei, and Mari on a scroll hunt immediately. latter, when TH training is done, have them "dissapear" and send Hazou+Kagome to investigate.
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Well, I would have considered myself a pretty firm "leaver" of the @acidshill camp, but now I feel called out by the PSA. What's the line in HPMoR - 5 minutes by a clock before you give up on generating ideas? I have 9 minutes left in this Uber ride, so here's a first shot at no-negativity pure brainstorming, with apologies if these have been thoroughly discussed already:
- How much do we really know about Rock/Cloud/etc, politically? They hate Leaf, but do they hate Hazou? Surely they would also be anti-Pain bad end.
- What the hell is Ami doing anyway we should find her frfr I miss her
- Related, it's killing me that we never go back to Mist. Let's go toss our problems at Ryugamine and see what comes out
- How sure are we that Pax Konoha is still out of scope?
- I don't find most Leaf clans convincing in light of Akatsuki and The Rift (new band name), but a bit of Runic hax might stack very well with Naruto's extant hax, and we just saw the power of Wakahisa-backed Sannin.
- I guess this runs into Orochimaru Bad End pretty easily, but that's more of an implementation problem...
- What if we read Naruto in fully on what we know of WHOOSH so long as he includes Gouketsu and personal loyalists?
- Runes have such a wide surface area of "potential game changer" for a static location. More chakra, more permanent summons, stronger defenses, time manipulation...
- I don't find most Leaf clans convincing in light of Akatsuki and The Rift (new band name), but a bit of Runic hax might stack very well with Naruto's extant hax, and we just saw the power of Wakahisa-backed Sannin.
- One major blocker for any non-missing plan is the loot-pinata syndrome. Can we impress the seriousness of this on Naruto and prioritize it? He's pretty level headed about Hazou, Orochimaru, and Akatsuki
- Has anyone tried feeding the entire story into Claude Opus yet and begging for help?
- ....Have we tried asking the chakrAI to recursively self improve?
- Fuck it, let's go to Bear.
hmmm, Akatsuki has manpower problems...
[] Get Naruto to manufacture an AMITY Incident between Sand and Cloud, while Hazou goes on a string of long-term missions. they'll be to busy to check in on us.
[] Get Naruto to manufacture an AMITY Incident between Sand and Cloud, while Hazou goes on a string of long-term missions. they'll be to busy to check in on us.
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I think one of the ideas EJ was talking about, that hasn't been discussed much in-thread, is the idea of befriending Nagato and getting him onboard with Uplift. Indeed, Ami's play had us doing just that, only with the concept of a life-debt to ease the friendship along. Having Nagato be resurrected without our overt aid would make things more difficult, but Itachi's comments on Nagato needing ideas leads me to believe there's at least a chance we can talk to him before, in the worst case, Akatsuki goes full Akatsuki.