"I can never follow Akane's path. That much should have been obvious to me from the beginning. However, she also cannot follow mine. Efficiency does not demand the capacity to love; it demands a willingness to sacrifice."

"And what is it you intend to sacrifice, Kei?" the phantom of Takahashi-sensei asked as it began to fade back into oblivion.

"Were you not listening?" Kei replied. "Whatever my duty requires."
The Ghost of Akane: "My kill count is still higher tho"

Great chapter! I feel like Kei just gained the mentality Jiraiya picked Hazou to be Clan Head for (IE, willing to make hard calls for better outcomes.) Don't worry sis it gets easier with every massacre!

Also interesting that we now have OOC knowledge Mari is not sure if Asuma killed Akane or not but seems to lean towards "he did" though it also seems like she admits that's partially emotional reasoning. Get this woman a Scroll ASAP
 
I note that, at present, the largest current risk of EM proliferation is that Asuma deems it necessary to use the jutsu again, like he implied he would do if Leaf was dire-pressed in another war like WWIV.

Disambiguating this, Kei may feel compelling urges both to maximize the strength of both Leaf and AMITY to ensure Leaf is never so pressed again... and to kill Asuma and fully eradicate the jutsu from the world.
 
I kinda want to do seal research with SSA this round. We are making miniscule progress on DEs with no SSA.

So let's swap to no prep w/SSA for DE and the same for MS#7. Should be done in 6 days.

In other news, I kinda want to meet with some cool Hagoromo ninja and chat about ancient lore with 'em.
 
I note that, at present, the largest current risk of EM proliferation is that Asuma deems it necessary to use the jutsu again, like he implied he would do if Leaf was dire-pressed in another war like WWIV.

Disambiguating this, Kei may feel compelling urges both to maximize the strength of both Leaf and AMITY to ensure Leaf is never so pressed again... and to kill Asuma and fully eradicate the jutsu from the world.
inb4 Asuma taught EM to a trusted confederate
 
I kinda want to do seal research with SSA this round. We are making miniscule progress on DEs with no SSA.

So let's swap to no prep w/SSA for DE and the same for MS#7. Should be done in 6 days.

In other news, I kinda want to meet with some cool Hagoromo ninja and chat about ancient lore with 'em.
Ehhh, I'm less interested in rocket boots with the tentative rules for them that were shared for analysis on discord. Better off just using skywalkers.
 
IIRC it was just Ath penalties to move actions, is that correct?

I don't think we've ever need to care about that IU where we couldn't take the full round to swap to skywalkers.
Someone using skywalkers gets +5 against someone not using them. So rocket boots would only net a +3 for us now even if reusable, which doesn't seem worth it.
 
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[X] Hazou becomes Orochimaru's Apprentice, after one night of venting everything about uplift and how fucked up ninja world is and how crooked the leaders are, and Oro's like "You're just like me when I was young, come vivisect with me."
 
Someone using skywalkers gets +5 against someone not using them. So rocket boots would only net a +3 for us now even if reusable, which doesn't seem worth it.
If they have the stunt yeah. I found the text of the RB penalties
When wearing, but not using Rocket Boots, you suffer a penalty of 5 + Border^2 to Athletics when crossing Zones, or traveling in a Zone with innate Border (such as a forest), due to your inability to use chakra adhesion.


In some cases, this penalty will apply to other physical skills, such as Taijutsu
So if we have RRBs, we never have to worry about it, since we can use em over and over. With an innate +3 over skywalkers (soon to be +4) and is already integrated with our buffs.

I still think they're worth pursuing.
 
If they have the stunt yeah. I found the text of the RB penalties

So if we have RRBs, we never have to worry about it, since we can use em over and over. With an innate +3 over skywalkers (soon to be +4) and is already integrated with our buffs.

I still think they're worth pursuing.
Eventually, sure; but I don't think they're worth pursuing *now*. We can do better with our time than a +3-4.
 
Someone using skywalkers gets +5 against someone not using them. So rocket boots would only net a +3 for us now even if reusable, which doesn't seem worth it.
If they have the stunt yeah. I found the text of the RB penalties

So if we have RRBs, we never have to worry about it, since we can use em over and over. With an innate +3 over skywalkers (soon to be +4) and is already integrated with our buffs.

I still think they're worth pursuing.
Worse, they have a +10 to Athletics vs someone without skywalkers which is just straight up better (though RB would remain superior for offense). I did propose that Rocket Boots stunt count the same way as the skywalker stunt due to thrust control and all that but if that proposal isn't accepted then skywalkers are probably generally better.
 
Worse, they have a +10 to Athletics vs someone without skywalkers which is just straight up better (though RB would remain superior for offense). I did propose that Rocket Boots stunt count the same way as the skywalker stunt due to thrust control and all that but if that proposal isn't accepted then skywalkers are probably generally better.
That should be +10 Ath to dodging ranged attacks in an aerial Zone. That's very different from a straight +10. I'm confused where you're getting the straight +10 from.
 
[X] Training Hazou: Resolve

Sort of a list of things I'm interested in, feel free to ping me if you add any to your plans and I'll probably vote for it.
[X] Action Plan: Bury your emotions with work
  • Offscreen Sealing Research.
    • Prime and SC follow Hazo's intuition on the Minato Seals and Directional Explosives.
    • Ask for Kagome's help with DE.
  • Scene 1. Asuma. Ask About:
    • Status of TH teacher.
      • Could Kagome join?
        • Ask Kagome ahead of time.
      • Begin if ready.
    • Isan Lore relating to the Sage.
    • Isan Lore relating to the Sage's Five companions.
    • Inspecting the captured Isan seals.
    • Analyzing one of his Chakra Metal knifes with ES.
  • Scene 2. Earthshaping
    • Analyze:
      • Honey cave crystal (again).
      • GS flake.
      • Cube from rain of sealing failures.
      • Chakra Metal (If Asuma agrees).
    • Filter charcoal into constituent parts.
      • Have Goketsu blacksmith attempt making iron with filtered iron oxide and charcoal.
  • Scene 3. Noburi
    • It's late, but we're sorry about the internship.
    • We have some ideas that can help us.
    • Kagome finished MS7. Minato thought it might be useful for mednin, take a look?
    • Itachi once told us that pure iron and enough chakra could make chakra metal. This is as pure as we can make for now. Does he want to try experimenting with it and his chakra?
    • Could Noburi begin researching how a jinchuuriki could let to expel massive amounts of chakra through a tenketsu.
 
[X] Training Hazou: Resolve

I'm open to suggestions for the action plan, especially for the sealing research.
I chose Fourfold Seal of Preservation because it give us survivability against S-rankers, and we can learn it quickly.

[X]Action Plan: Necromancy Setup
Wordcount: 297
  • Ami's right, we've been acting ridiculous. It's time to get to work.
  • Talk to Snowflake
    • How is she, emotionally?
    • How is Kei?
    • She+Kei have been scoping out Shikamaru for A-Day. What are their conclusions? Would he be onboard?
  • Talk to a Naruto about his dad's Poetry
    • What did he think of the humanist and anti-deathist themes?
    • Minto's philosophy impressed the hell out of us, and it seems like he independently derived the same values we hold. We hold him in immense respect.
    • [talk about defeating death, poetry, ect for as long as feel natural to us. no need to rush]
    • Remember our Seance for Jiraiya? We're still working on a way to get him back, but when we do, it'll probably take a lot of chakra. When the time comes, will you help?
  • Rift sealing:
    • Talk to Kagome.
      • We have finished MS6 and he has finished MS7, does he think we can start researching rift sealing yet?
      • Has any of his Rift Sealing Ideas timeline changed since learning MS7?
      • The displays on the minato seals look similar to Naruto's jinchuuriki seal. Spend some time on it together to see if any further insight could be gleamed. Cross-reference with sketches we took from Naruto's seal.
  • Send a note to Asuma.(Offscreen)
    • "Send Sasori partial notes on 3D sealing, and get him here help invent 3D-sealing theory. Promptly"
    • Let Mari pick the exact words iff she wants.
  • Nobouri(Offscreen?)
    • Task Noburi with learning to dilate and then re-contract Naruto's Tenketsu without permanently damaging the chakra system.
    • Ask him to be discrete and prioritize this research. Don't tell Naruto yet.
  • Sealing:
    • Continue the Minato sealchain. Follow Hazou's Intuition.
    • Research the Fourfold Seal of Preservation. Follow Hazou's Intuition.
 
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[X] Hazou becomes Orochimaru's Apprentice, after one night of venting everything about uplift and how fucked up ninja world is and how crooked the leaders are, and Oro's like "You're just like me when I was young, come vivisect with me."
 
[X] Hazou becomes Orochimaru's Apprentice, after one night of venting everything about uplift and how fucked up ninja world is and how crooked the leaders are, and Oro's like "You're just like me when I was young, come vivisect with me."
 
Y'all know what? Hachidaime Hokage Naruto would not have made this choice. And our current Hokage believes that anyone knowing Elemental Mastery is a threat to the world, as does Shikamaru, who is also not all that happy about what one Sarutobi Asuma is doing with the jutsu.
And Ami's plan can be made easier with a well placed introduction of chaos into Leaf's order.


Just sayin'

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[X]Action Plan: Necromancy Setup

Do you think it would make sense to include a line about what Ami told us during our last conversation? About how internalizing our grief for Akane doesn't make rational sense if we still trust our ability to do necromancy?

Follow Hazou's Intuition.
Remind me what this line is supposed to mean in context?
 
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not that any of her words would undo the disaster the pair of them had permitted.
Poor things, feeling so strongly and so directly that they are responsible and accountable for the evils of the world. A nigh-absolute dictator went and did something deeply evil, because no one found a lesser evil or positive paradigm that would convince him that his (admittedly benevolent) goals could be reached more efficiently, and they think it's on them.
This is one of the known bugs of utilitarianism, it can excuse anything for a supposed, calculated greater good - that's how Asuma and Shikamaru seem to work, and I get the feeling they're unhappy about it but feel compelled. I'm not saying to get rid of morality, but our goal is to save the world forever and Kei and Snowflake are necessary for that - I hope they get to adopt an approach to the world that doesn't break them before we can succeed.
She should have bound Hazō in a dungeon
Mari: My, how the tables have turned since Hazō wanted to tie Kei up. But this isn't the first time you've thought of doing that as a way of working out a problem or other, is it Snowflake?
Snowflake: o////o
instead of allowing him to shift his attention to gemstones and estate beautification and other problems that weren't so easily solved by the Hokage murdering five hundred innocents.
I think the Hokage's way of murdering five hundred innocents would also destroy gemstones and beautiful estates, so you know...
Anyway, what is the point of survival of there is no beauty to it? Snowflake has, paradoxically, not experienced the Land of Snow, much less through the eyes of a Mori, but that might change Kei's perspective. On estate beautification, not... yeah.
What kind of person cared more about a single individual in front of them than about five hundred strangers in another country?
No one has the mental and emotional capacity to care for everything and everyone. Her moral imperatives are commendable but this is what breaks a person. The Mori "know the numbers" and leave it at that, and I suspect that is for a reason.
She needs a hug so so much.
The sudden burst of dysphoria barely slowed her down as she pulled the pink ribbon out of her hair and headed for the door.
OOF
"Oh, nonsense," Takahashi-sensei touched his forehead in an Isanese gesture of dismissal. "The Nara have Shikamaru. The KEI has Ami. The Gōketsu have Mari. What value could someone of your talents possibly think you were adding versus the value of five hundred lives only you could save?"
Kei baby nooooooo ;n;
"Because… I do not care enough."
Inaccurate self-assessment as always, but ooouuuch. This is sure not to end in tragedy or anything.
Now, tell me, Kei. Do you think it is reasonable or just that such a person should continue to be alive while Akane, whom she killed with her apathy, is dead? While I and my family, my clan, my entire people, whom she killed with her apathy, are dead?"

"...It is not."
... Is this a second-level plot by you, devious QMs, to expose Snowflake's erstwhile thoughts? Highlight that Kei's death would hit us readers harder than Isan's?
Your point is made and we will cry
"Unfortunately," she informed Takahashi-sensei, "suicide is not an option."
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
"A futile effort," Takahashi-sensei said. "It has already crushed you, and will grow no lighter. How can someone like you possibly hope to have a future?"
This respected teacher is beginning to speak suspiciously like a familiar foe.
Neither the kami nor the ancestors nor the Will of Fire possess the omniscience needed to stand over us in judgement and state for a fact whether a given atrocity was truly necessary. Even history cannot judge us, for it cannot see what exponential ripples a different decision would have given rise to. As none have the power to vindicate us, we do not seek justice. We seek efficiency.
Oh thank the Sage. This avoids the most dangerous pitfall of utilitarianism, though it does not eschew all of them.

Thank you for this chapter, though my poor lacrymal ducts feel like Hazō's eyes trying to record Pain's array - constantly trying and failing to do their job, not sure if it's the right moment to start or not.
It was beautiful, in the sense that an explosion is beautiful, or in the way that a break-up song is emotional, or a bleeding cut is stimulating.
[X] [Conclave] Interlude: Team Downfall (yes, at the Conclave somehow. Maybe the Rats have found the Doofus Scroll)
 
Kei's plan, therefore, was to make it known that she was responding to a summons by Orochimaru (ideally, she would have a reliable witness escort her to the compound), create an excuse to enter the Basement (volunteering should suffice), and then commit suicide in a fashion that suggested attempted vivisection or dissection. The preferred means, out of a number of options, would be to imbibe a fatal amount of some medical reagent that Orochimaru might plausibly use.
I can't believe Kei would rather use her suicide as a weapon against Orochimaru than volunteer to be our rift test dummy. No vision. Smh.
 
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ITACHI: (walks quickly into the room) There's been another ice storm. This one destroyed Isan, which means we're about to have a new world war. I need everyone—
HIDAN: (leaps to his feet and fistpumps) WHOO! Jashin damn, I found a good apprentice!
 
"Justifications only matter to the just."

Jiraiya's A Practical Guide to Depravity

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Book 1 Prologue Chapter 1: Knife Chapter 2: Invitation Chapter 3: Party Chapter 4: Name Chapter 5: Role Chapter 6: Aspect Chapter 7: Sword Chapter 8: Introduction Chapter 9: Claimant Chapter 10: Me…

For anyone who didn't catch the references.

Which is interesting in that we now know this is a text of moral philosophy (couched as another one of his questionable publications) by the 5th Hokage, and presumably read by the Nara, Naruto, Hokage, etc.

How can we leverage this mindset?

Also, in hindsight, I should have absolutely caught this earlier based on the Tapirs.

Practical Guide said:
"Maybe I won't go to Heaven but you've never owned a pit full of man-eating tapirs so who's the real loser here?"
Dread Empress Atrocious, best known for comprehensive tax reform and having been eaten by man-eating tapirs. They were later executed by her successor for treason after a lengthy trial.

"Sooner or later, the Tower always gets its due."
—Praesi proverb

The Nara actually do have some interesting similarities:

Shikamaru is not tormenting himself over whether Isan's destruction was a moral act. He is tormenting himself over whether he purchased enough security for the world with those five hundred lives. If he was inefficient, if the same result could have been achieved with fewer sacrifices, or he did not achieve as much security with that number of sacrifices as he could, that is a betrayal of the fallen and our own definition of sin.

"Our doctrine is one of cost-efficiency. Any officer who believes extermination of the enemy is a valid path to victory should immediately be demoted back to the ranks."
—Marshal Ranker
 
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