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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Left-Hand Mutant said:
[X]Action Plan: Necromancy Setup
Wordcount: <300
  • Ami's right, we've been acting ridiculous. It's time to get to work.
  • Talk to Snowflake
    • How is she, emotionally?
    • How is Kei?
    • She+Kei have been scoping out Shikamaru for A-Day. What are their conclusions? Would he be onboard?
  • Talk to a Naruto about his dad's Poetry
    • What did he think of the humanist and anti-deathist themes?
    • Minto's philosophy impressed the hell out of us, and it seems like he independently derived the same values we hold. We hold him in immense respect.
    • [talk about defeating death, poetry, ect for as long as feel natural to us. no need to rush]
    • Remember our Seance for Jiraiya? We're still working on a way to get him back, but when we do, it'll probably take a lot of chakra. When the time comes, will you help?
  • Rift sealing:
    • Talk to Kagome.
      • We have finished MS6 and he has finished MS7, does he think we can start researching rift sealing yet?
      • Has any of his Rift Sealing Ideas timeline changed since learning MS7?
      • The displays on the minato seals look similar to Naruto's jinchuuriki seal. Spend some time on it together to see if any further insight could be gleamed. Cross-reference with sketches we took from Naruto's seal.
  • Send a note to Asuma.(Offscreen)
    • "Send Sasori partial notes on 3D sealing, and get him here help invent 3D-sealing theory. Promptly"
    • Let Mari pick the exact words iff she wants.
  • Nobouri(Offscreen?)
    • Task Noburi with learning to dilate and then re-contract Naruto's Tenketsu without permanently damaging the chakra system.
    • Ask him to be discrete and prioritize this research. Don't tell Naruto yet.
  • Sealing:
    • Continue the Minato sealchain. Follow Hazou's Intuition.
    • Research the Fourfold Seal of Preservation. Follow Hazou's Intuition.
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@CaramilkThief @Crunbum @Black King
Updated my plan to merge in CaramilkTheif's improvements, without cutting Necromancy sections. Any feedback?

@Shrooms What else would you like to ask Kagome?
 
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Noumero said:
I would like to ask Kagome the viability of this plan. Specifically, the difficulties of:
  • Closing the rift.
  • Making a seal setup that automatically closes the rift unless we (as in Hazou or Kagome) renew it every ~week or so, which would also be robust to Akatsuki trying to dismantle it.
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Why would the Rift not close naturally? Every other Rift we've seen does. The original Rift shrunk diameter by a hand span every time someone entered or exited. It's gonna close
 
Noumero said:
I would like to ask Kagome the viability of this plan. Specifically, the difficulties of:
  • Closing the rift.
  • Making a seal setup that automatically closes the rift unless we (as in Hazou or Kagome) renew it every ~week or so, which would also be robust to Akatsuki trying to dismantle it.
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Sir Stompy said:
Why would the Rift not close naturally? Every other Rift we've seen does. The original Rift shrunk diameter by a hand span every time someone entered or exited. It's gonna close
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I think Noumero is discussing closing the rift scar itself(which I'm not very excited about)
And Sir Stompy is noteing that shrinking the rift back to a scar as a way of "closeing the door behind us" will probably be automatic.
Noumero's idea of "locking" the rift scar is really cool, and we should ask Kagome about that one.
 
Mmmmm thinking about opening the Death Rift is also useful for atoning for Isan. Maybe we'll find them in there (though I doubt all will keep their coherence given we wiped out most everybody that remembers them) but its something to consider. (Also because they represent a force that might be hostile against us in there).
 
Noumero said:
I would like to ask Kagome the viability of this plan. Specifically, the difficulties of:
  • Closing the rift.
  • Making a seal setup that automatically closes the rift unless we (as in Hazou or Kagome) renew it every ~week or so, which would also be robust to Akatsuki trying to dismantle it.
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imo there are four different things we need to ask Kagome about, seals-wise, before we go on a research trip to gain dimensional data:
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn enough about the path drain to ward against it?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether summoning and/or reverse summoning is possible/safe?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether it's possible to move the rift to a different location?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether it's possible to open a new portal to the Pure Lands and close the current one?
Our first milestone in necromancy is the research trip where we gather as much data from the afterlife as we possibly can while leaving as few traces as possible so Akatsuki remains blissfully ignorant of our progress. Each of these questions, once answered, opens and closes doors for our eventual final strategy, and knowing what seals we need to research to answer them is imperative for our goals. We might already have everything we need with the chakrascope, or each of these questions might need a separate specialized seal. Either way we need to discuss this with Kagome ASAP, so we can get started on researching them.
 
Black King said:
I don't want anything to do with the Naruto or Sasori sections. At least not now. Maybe in the far future. Same with looping Shikamaru in. It's just a no for me.
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Huh, ok. Can you tell me why? If I'm making an error, I'd like to know.

Note that Naruto already knows we're working on something necromancy-y, and we aren't reading him in fully, just building up support. But yeah, the last line could be coming on a bit strong/fast.
Similiar thing for Shikamaru, the plan dosen't say to attempt to recruit him now, just to learn if it's possible.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
imo there are four different things we need to ask Kagome about, seals-wise, before we go on a research trip to gain dimensional data:
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn enough about the path drain to ward against it?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether summoning and/or reverse summoning is possible/safe?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether it's possible to move the rift to a different location?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether it's possible to open a new portal to the Pure Lands and close the current one?
Our first milestone in necromancy is the research trip where we gather as much data from the afterlife as we possibly can while leaving as few traces as possible so Akatsuki remains blissfully ignorant of our progress. Each of these questions, once answered, opens and closes doors for our eventual final strategy, and knowing what seals we need to research to answer them is imperative for our goals. We might already have everything we need with the chakrascope, or each of these questions might need a separate specialized seal. Either way we need to discuss this with Kagome ASAP, so we can get started on researching them.
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I support that list, yeah, but with a caveat: separate the fourth question into two questions, one about closing and erasing the current rift scar, another about opening a new rift. The former is likely considerably easier, and our ability to do only that may still be very useful.
Sir Stompy said:
That's very not clear. You should reword it
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Yeah, I just didn't remember the term "rift scar".
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
The Nobouri section is better explained than I wrote, thank you. I didn't include discussing MS7 because I want all of Nobouri's effort to go into Tenketsu research. I'm already worried that his research speed will be the bottleneck on our preparation.

An even better version of the Nobouri bit might look like:
  • Task Noburi with learning to dilate and then re-contract Naruto's Tenketsu without permanently damaging the chakra system. Don't tell Naruto unless necessary for research
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Sure I'll add these.

Left-Hand Mutant said:
I'm surprised that you cut discussing Minato's poetry with Naruto. This seems like a really fun scene, I bet it'd be fun to write, and it helps us set up for recruiting Naruto. why did you cut it?
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I guess mostly because I'm worried that Naruto think we're trying to suck up? I still don't feel like the relationship between Naruto and Hazou is that cordial yet. Also I think Naruto's support will be easier to get once we have the other stuff more sorted. If he interrogates us on our plan and timeline and we give vague answers about tenketsu widening that may or may not kill him...Yeah. Hazou's definitely gonna flub that in the worst way possible.

Left-Hand Mutant said:
Ask snowflake about Shikamaru's potential recruitment? If we get Shika, we get Asuma and all the resources of Leaf. Including Tsunadae for mednin research and securing the portal, guarantee of Naruto's help, and the ability to handpick our expedition team.
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I'm okay with these, but I feel like the time is not right yet? Hazou and Kei are both still teetering from the EM council, and the intention of my plan was for Hazou to "get his shit together" and focus 100% on necromancy. Both as a way to feel like he's making progress towards something meaningfully good and uplift-aligned, and because it's focused away from politics for the moment. I want the next update to be a timeskip + Hazou starts healing just a little bit update, and I feel like having a conversation with Snowflake about A-day cabal recruitment goes against that.


Also, if you're not a part of the discord I'd highly recommend it, since I'm much more active there (and so are a lot of other people). We're currently having an intense discussion on the value of eschewing FOOM for the moment and going all-in on seal research, including a few low-hanging fruit seals from the days of yore that we never researched because we didn't want to take time away from FOOM. We can make 2 SSA rolls and 5 normal sealing rolls in a cycle. The current list looks something like this:
  • SSA 1: Harder of 5BS/Force Wall
  • SSA 2: MS7
  • Base 3: Easier of 5BS/Force Wall
  • Base 4: Directional Explosives
  • Base 5: Light Shift (IR goggles) using infrared HOWS as inspiration
  • Base 6: Basic Kagome tracking seal if he has any, otherwise CATEARS
  • Base 7: idk, no one can decide lol
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped there's been lots of questions on Discord about the state of improving macerators. I know the QMs were working on something in that regard. Is it close to done?

The question that was raised today, is that if we try to improve macerators by redesigning the seal from scratch (ie. no longer generating fast rocks by amping up storage stress, but by some other method) will they no longer count at "macerators" to our purchased stunt?

My understanding is that the stunt is really more like "you know how to combine Rocket Boots and punching rocks at people" it doesn't matter which exact seal you're using to punch rocks. But I wanted to check that matches your understanding.
 
Absolutely do not think we should be telling Kagome about our highly treasonous plan to bring Pain back.

Rumours of Gouketsu trying to do resurrection: batty, insane, weird, classic kagome stuff to ignore, in-line w/ Hazou's grieving.

Rumours (and much more) of Gouketsu sympathising with Leaf enemies and working to bring them to power? Hugely problematic

Edit: between when I wrote this and when it got posted it looks like there's been further discussion!
 
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CaramilkThief said:
Sure I'll add these.


I guess mostly because I'm worried that Naruto think we're trying to suck up? I still don't feel like the relationship between Naruto and Hazou is that cordial yet. Also I think Naruto's support will be easier to get once we have the other stuff more sorted. If he interrogates us on our plan and timeline and we give vague answers about tenketsu widening that may or may not kill him...Yeah. Hazou's definitely gonna flub that in the worst way possible.


I'm okay with these, but I feel like the time is not right yet? Hazou and Kei are both still teetering from the EM council, and the intention of my plan was for Hazou to "get his shit together" and focus 100% on necromancy. Both as a way to feel like he's making progress towards something meaningfully good and uplift-aligned, and because it's focused away from politics for the moment. I want the next update to be a timeskip + Hazou starts healing just a little bit update, and I feel like having a conversation with Snowflake about A-day cabal recruitment goes against that.


Also, if you're not a part of the discord I'd highly recommend it, since I'm much more active there (and so are a lot of other people). We're currently having an intense discussion on the value of eschewing FOOM for the moment and going all-in on seal research, including a few low-hanging fruit seals from the days of yore that we never researched because we didn't want to take time away from FOOM. We can make 2 SSA rolls and 5 normal sealing rolls in a cycle. The current list looks something like this:
  • SSA 1: Harder of 5BS/Force Wall
  • SSA 2: MS7
  • Base 3: Easier of 5BS/Force Wall
  • Base 4: Directional Explosives
  • Base 5: Light Shift (IR goggles) using infrared HOWS as inspiration
  • Base 6: Basic Kagome tracking seal if he has any, otherwise CATEARS
  • Base 7: idk, no one can decide lol
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Hazou has 0 FP rn, so this is just begging for a Sealing failure. I recommend doubling up on SSA this round until we regen some FP and then considering this.

My suggestion :
SSA Prime - MS7
SSA Clone - Directional Explosives
 
My spoons are spinning today...

Last idea.

We use the ambassadors as witness to Hazou making a new deal with the Pangolins. He offers them an initial batch of telescopes so that they can monitor for any Condor attacks. He'll make a show of reluctantly doing this only because Kei thought he owed them for his oathbreaking. They should have some type of flaw in order to keep them dependent.

Or Kei can personally claim the credit for commissioning them at great cost - whatever works. This should set them up for the next part of the deal.

The next offer should be another batch of telescopes to Pantsa to purchase Conjura's participation in the Dragon war, but under a Nara-styled contract. I believe the Rats might appreciate this approach.

Besides trying to settle things with Pantsa, clearing up Hazou's rep through Kei, and getting Conjura, I can't say it shakes things up for Pantsaa. It certainly reinforces his power. If there is a Pangolin we can arm with telescopes instead of Pantsaa, that might be the wedge we can use for regime change.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
Huh, ok. Can you tell me why? If I'm making an error, I'd like to know.

Note that Naruto already knows we're working on something necromancy-y, and we aren't reading him in fully, just building up support. But yeah, the last line could be coming on a bit strong/fast.
Similiar thing for Shikamaru, the plan dosen't say to attempt to recruit him now, just to learn if it's possible.
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I feel like now isn't the time to rock the boat and Naruto is loyal to a fault. He may mention it to Asuma if we push that hard and bring it up again, and I think we need some time to become less...killable before then. Because if Asuma wants to keep his Hokage seat, he must stop any attempts at necromancy. And we know he's willing to do what he has to given what he just did.

Shikamaru is the same as Asuma, but possibly worse. I don't trust him and I would rather read in Ritsuo than him when it comes to any of our schemes.
 
Noumero said:
Okay, if nobody else has any ideas, here's an attempt at a plot-relevant lore update. Take it or leave it.

[x] [Conclave] Action Plan: Not One Unusual Thing Has Ever Happened
Word count: <300.
  • Meet the Rats again. Sanity-check with Mari.
  • Nezala's speculations on the Seventh Path's design interested you. On both Paths, everything to do with the Sage is steeped in legend, and usually revered, in a way that's hostile to questioning. The Rat Clan, however, seems like it'd interested in the physical truth of what happened during that era...
  • You're also interested. The nature of reality is of utmost relevance to improving the sapient condition within it...
  • ... And for protecting it. Let us suppose, for this discussion, that the Dragons are real. Not as mythical beings, but as a banal part of the world, sitting some distance thataway. Conditional on that, how do the Rats' beliefs on the past change?
    • Notably, you're not asking "what legends are true?"; none are. You care about the latent truths that legends are refractions of.
  • From your end, share the information on Pain's Rinnegan (and whatever ritual Akatsuki planned), the bijuu and the overview of sealing failures (if the Rats don't know about either), Jashin, and whatever insights the Summoning Scroll and the Great Seal granted you.
    • Meditate on the Out before the meeting, write insights down, then filter them into sane-sounding speech. (Source: unspecified sealing lore.)
  • Topics of interest:
    • The Rat Clan's broad agreed-upon inferences about the Sage's era, if they exist. Again: physical truths, not legends. What's the story?
    • Any other sealed monstrosities? Between the Dragons (supposedly reclaiming their powers by exterminating Clans) and the bijuu, "split the monster, seal the parts" seems the Sage's modus operandi...
      • Don't mention the Five. Do steer the conversation if something relevant seems to have come up.
      • What's this about "summoning Death"?
    • Cross-dimensional travel. Any helpful lore? What's cosmology like?
      • Don't talk about your necromancy plans, but do describe whatever of Naraka you've seen.
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Unless I mistake my vote counts, this is the currently-winning Conclave plan, which doesn't include anything about Kei. This seems suboptimal; if you're reading this, please take a look at the other Conclave plans (admittedly I have one and I think you should vote for it) and maybe make some noise.
 
CaramilkThief said:
Cribbing some parts from @Left-Hand Mutant. I'm also choosing to research Fourfold Seal because it seems like a jonin tier static fortification seal and we desperately need survivability. I can't really think of any further scenes that can help with Necromancy aside from the Ami meeting, but that should be a separate update of its own. Any help to refine plan is much appreciated.

[X] Action Plan: Necromancy is All You Need
Wordcount: <200
  • Ami's right, we've been acting ridiculous. It's time to get to work.
  • Offscreen Sealing:
    • Continue the Minato sealchain. Follow Hazou's Intuition.
    • Research the Fourfold Seal of Preservation. Follow Hazou's Intuition.
  • Rift sealing:
    • Talk to Kagome.
      • We have finished MS6 and he has finished MS7, does he think we can start researching rift sealing yet?
      • Has any of his Rift Sealing Ideas timeline changed since learning MS7?
      • The displays on the minato seals look similar to Naruto's jinchuuriki seal. Spend some time on it together to see if any further insight could be gleamed. Cross-reference with sketches we took from Naruto's seal.
      • Ami/Kei believe Akatsuki is researching the Rift. We'll need to handle them.
        • Ami suggests reviving Pain ourselves, or perma-killing/otherwise removing his eyes from the equation.
          • Hazou dislikes staking everything on Pain supporting Uplift, but we can't let Akatsuki revive full-power Pain either. Thoughts?
        • Concern: Akatsuki ambushes us upon exiting.
          • Possibilities:
            • Kill Sasori, their only route to using the Rift.
              • Akatsuki'd likely come after Kagome/Hazou.
            • Create second Rift back and exit somewhere else.
            • Move Rift somewhere they'd have trouble accessing/finding it. Leaf? 7th Path? Random cave?
              • Enter Rift, collect data to target Naraka, close Rift permanently, open our own.
            • Create impenetrable 5SB airtight foil box around Rift, fortified with defenses like Jiraiya's Fire Absorber seals, and stall them out. Call in aid via 7th Path once we exit.
    • Reo was learning TH. Ask Reo to explain some of the unknown jargon in MS9 and MS10 notes and see if he has anything to say. Maintain opsec on Minato seals.
    • Talk to Noburi:
      • Kagome finished MS7. Minato thought it might be useful for mednin, take a look?
      • Task Noburi with learning to open Tenketsu without permanently damaging the chakra system or causing undue pain
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suggested addition in red, brings your word count to 297

Left-Hand Mutant said:
@Shrooms What else would you like to ask Kagome?
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The same could go in your plan

Inferno Vulpix said:
imo there are four different things we need to ask Kagome about, seals-wise, before we go on a research trip to gain dimensional data:
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn enough about the path drain to ward against it?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether summoning and/or reverse summoning is possible/safe?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether it's possible to move the rift to a different location?
  • What diagnostic seal(s) will we need to learn whether it's possible to open a new portal to the Pure Lands and close the current one?
Our first milestone in necromancy is the research trip where we gather as much data from the afterlife as we possibly can while leaving as few traces as possible so Akatsuki remains blissfully ignorant of our progress. Each of these questions, once answered, opens and closes doors for our eventual final strategy, and knowing what seals we need to research to answer them is imperative for our goals. We might already have everything we need with the chakrascope, or each of these questions might need a separate specialized seal. Either way we need to discuss this with Kagome ASAP, so we can get started on researching them.
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To be honest I think I may prefer a plan that just dedicates all the word count to Kagome ngl lmao
 
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FaintlySorcerous said:
if you're reading this, please take a look at the other Conclave plans (admittedly I have one and I think you should vote for it) and maybe make some noise
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Can you link your plan since the tally is messed up? It makes plans harder to find. And I think it's the best one currently. The other plan rehashes the Rat meeting which doesn't advance our larger goals at the Conclave at all.
 
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