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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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This post feels like it came straight from 2018.
What kind of "happy medium" based on interactions with Leaf clans can there possibly be in a world where any negociations with Leaf institutions will be made irrelevant in a matter of months ?
Leaf as a whole may not exist in two years, let alone Leaf's Uplift projects.
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How many new problems do you acquire if Mari can make Hazō-shaped SCs?
I greatly appreciate this post and you writing it up. Everyone has their own bias and I think you did an excellent job acknowledging and mitigating your own. Thank you.
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If we get the "Long term mission" thing figured out, we can bring Reo with us for those couple months of TH training and then send them on their way. There are some logistic problems, but those can be solved.
At the end of the day, punching is what solved the dragon issue. They were punched and kicked and ripped apart. It required multiple people. That is fine. Trying to solo with Akatsuki with any build will most likely not work.
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Biggest issue is why Reo comes with us in the first place; why can't we just wait a bit? We'd have to reveal Noburi's new status as persona-never-leaving and that's minor treason in and of itself, plus it also asks the question of why we don't go and finish it after we come back.
Lots of questions.
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We don't have to reveal that. Mari can spin any tale we need. It is trivial to fabricate a compelling reason for leaving now, such as needing to acquire a particular summoning scroll before Leaf's enemies and would you look at that, our spies inform us that they're closing in on its location.
Maybe not that exactly, but the point is that Reo can be misled.
Edit: as to the not waiting for TH, easy enough to say we don't have the time to start over. We don't, it's not even a lie.
You're diverging from the actual topic I've been discussing- Hazo's build. Hazo punching did not and would not have solved the dragon issue.
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Maybe they're just big fans of Snowflake, and are silently championing reading more of her?
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Do you not see how our opponents also trying to win is significant when they are that much better positioned then us?
It doesn't need to be winnable to be rational, but if you're against truly overwhelming odds that you are not remotely equipped to face then the quest cannot be both rational and winnable.
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A hypothetical Punch-Hazo could have contributed to the Dragonwar by punching the dragons.
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Oh yeah didn't he like just graduate
My impression is that you're not currently engaging with enough of what I've been saying for further discussion to be worthwhile beyond that I disagree with this assessment for reasons I stated previously.
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I don't know what point you're trying to make. Research-Hazo didn't solve the Dragonwar issue. One of our ideas killed one dragon and injured another. That's great, but that still left the rest. Punch-Hazo would fight, maybe kill or injure a dragon or two. Neither are winning the war by themself.
That's fair. It boils down to that I don't think Hazo going all in on punches instead of sealing would have significantly improved the quest, and I consider that a tragedy because I do enjoy punching and would love excuses to engage in more of it. I fundamentally agree that neither research-Hazo nor punch-Hazo are solving apocalypses by themselves and I consider research-Hazo to be better equipped to coordinate with various people to solve the issues that require coordination, largely because he specialized in researching useful stuff.
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Arguably, Hazou's expertise as a high class sealmaster talking about a Sage Seal is what lended him the credibility to get people to listen. It's also possible that being a physically powerful Summoner would have done the same. Hard to say.
It was definitely helpful for getting Oro involved and cooperative in a way I don't think being physically strong would have, but otherwise I could see it go either way. The only other thing that Seal-Hazou can engage with that Punch-Hazou can't, at least at the moment, is high power runes and necromancy.
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Wow someone soiled the first post of page 10,000 being Armageddon initiative, truly deplorable. I could go on a variably lengthy diatribe about such an infraction, ever so often inserting new thoughts as they come to me about what a heinous act this was.
I must stop here and consider this query for now
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Ah, it's all coming back to me now. You see, when I was a lad I ate 4 dozen eggs every day so that I would get large. But now as a man I eat 5 dozen eggs so I'm roughly the size of a barge. Just as someone barged in and disrupted the natural state of the thread. But what is one to do about such things except to write out their exact thoughts in paragraph format?
It isn't enough that they come and take your faith away. They take your homes. Your businesses. Your children. Your very LIFE!
Truly, we will not find peace until we have Armageddon Initiative.
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OK so what's the deal with Melee Specialists, like, OK if you've got a fancy ass weapon sure checks out. But if you're a broke ass bitch like 99% of the setting is why not just use your fists instead? They're already Weapons 1 by default and you don't have to faff about with the action economy to equip arms! Plus, plenty of buffs can give your two guns weapons rating anyways. On top of that you get to keep your hands free for seals, jutsu, and giving people noogies. What's more, you don't need to worry about maintaining or losing your equipment. Well, I guess you could lose your arms but you're probably dead in any case. In fact, why choose any pathetic discipline over the chad fisticuffs? No jutsu required, just good old ruffntuff brawling. Nice buffstack, don't care. I cast fist.
Though I'm sure my tune will change as the stunts begin to drop. MW stunts seem quite promising, not that we're intending to switch over or anything. But we've floated Kei picking it up via the Jonin combat training stunt. Though, I guess if she's not really leveling MW as much she may not even qualify for the stunts...
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Then you completely agree with my reply to shrooms that you said was "just wrong"?
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The activity of the voters and the pretty clear split, in my mind, is all due to the separation of story vs game.
The voters who are active and create plans want to interact with the mechanics and win the game. That said, the missing direction seems like it would ruin all of the amazing character interactions that have been made to date and detract from the story. This is why this decision is so polarizing - the "correct" decision is actually the one that seems it would be worse to read. (Incidentally, the "correct" decision is to lighthouse until Hazo emerges with some magic runes and seals and..., but the QMs pretty rightly shut that down)
I'm a reader and not really active in plan making and voting aside from a few points that stand out, and I do think this story would be better if "let ej/vel/paper/et al write what they want" won every entry.
The voters who are active and create plans want to interact with the mechanics and win the game. That said, the missing direction seems like it would ruin all of the amazing character interactions that have been made to date and detract from the story. This is why this decision is so polarizing - the "correct" decision is actually the one that seems it would be worse to read. (Incidentally, the "correct" decision is to lighthouse until Hazo emerges with some magic runes and seals and..., but the QMs pretty rightly shut that down)
I'm a reader and not really active in plan making and voting aside from a few points that stand out, and I do think this story would be better if "let ej/vel/paper/et al write what they want" won every entry.
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I don't think it would have significantly changed the outcome, no. Shrooms put it better than I can. There are pros and cons to both builds. Punch-Hazo probably did more exploring than Research-Hazo and has better combat rep, Research-Hazo can speak funny magic words and annoy people into agreeing with him.
The original point I was making was that Punch-Hazo could conceivably defeat most Akatsuki members. Not easily, not guaranteed, but "I cast punch" does work most of the time in this setting.
I agree but my understanding is that the apocalypses managed to become apocalyptic because they're the parts where "I cast punch" starts really needing something else. Granted, Akatsuki took a big nerf with Pain's sacrifice, he's the main unpunchable guy even if I think Konan and Itachi are worryingly close to unpunchability.
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I agree with regard to Konan. Itachi can be punched if you throw enough SCs at him. He can only use Amaterasu three times before stopping (or something bad happens? Severe?). Punch-Hazo SCs don't need much setup gear wise and probably consume moderate amounts of chakra. It seems possible, but it's definitely less straightforward than the other matchups.
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Okay, but this does not lead to a good outcome?
The QMs are sticking to their guns wrt Simulationism as much as possible. I don't think "[X] Yeah next chapter please" does much according to those principles: Hazoupilot will try his best but fail anyway.
The hypothetical world in which this quest wasn't a quest isn't the one we're in. It's a quest!
We've been told that Itachi has lots of esoteric techniques we don't yet know and he could plausibly have gotten some of Conjura's scary spacetime stuff. Additionally, his first use of Amaterasu seemed to be spreading it a lot more freely than the next two. Besides, Itachi also has SC and I suspect his CR is only unexceptional by the standards of Oro, the guy who has like 2000 chakra or something ridiculous for ??? reasons. Not to be a doomer but I legit don't have enough info about Itachi to imagine a matchup with any certainty.