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Evidently, Hazou's reputation precedes him
HAZOU: *smiles at some random KEI ninja*
*they run away screaming in terror*
HAZOU: What was that about?
KEI: Nothing out of the ordinary. You get used to it, trust me.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
HAZOU: *smiles at some random KEI ninja*
*they run away screaming in terror*
HAZOU: What was that about?
KEI: Nothing out of the ordinary. You get used to it, trust me.
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Meanwhile, in the background:
"OMWoF, he smiled at me."
"So what, Ritsuko? He seems pretty cute."
"Don't you remember what happened to the last KEI ninja to draw the interest of the high priest of the Fish God Sex Cult?"
"That was him? Head for Rice. I'll cover for you as long as I can."
I am pretty certain counseling does not exist in the Elemental Nations, I don't think this point is going to land well. A la a repeat of the Oro deal faux pas. I would stick to simply encouraging them to communicate, with an offer of maybe Hazou facilitating.
Same deal here. Couple's counseling ain't a thing. If Hazou wants it to exist he'll have to do it himself.
Since this is basically copied from Shrooms, I'll just note that counseling is not a thing, and that we shouldn't suggest it like it already exists. It'll confuse and anger the recipients
I think we should also meet with Kumokugo and provide her with a (Kagome-approved) briefing on his character and skills. This can be offscreened, but I think it's important to making their first meeting go well.
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Cariyaga
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When we further clarified, Velorien said it seemed reasonable to have a crypto stunt specifically for not spilling the beans on secrets, but not for general social stuff. Tentative PONWOG, hasn't talked it over with EJ (who has more investment in Kagome's character), etc.
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I don't actually want to do this personally though, which is why I say find someone who actually specializes in understanding social situations. You're telling me no social specialist is going to understand the concept of meditating? I can change the 'counseling' phrase if that's the issue but like, I don't think Hazou invented the idea of a third party intervening in a conflict between 2 people.
Cariyaga
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What about asking Ino if she's willing to help, or recommend someone that would be?
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Ino has very little experience with this sort of thing and she's hugely busy. Yuno might also not be amicable to her as a counsellor compared to other folks. (Ma and Pa aren't threats, Noburi isn't going to try anything with the Hokage's consort, etc.)
Sidebar: if we don't get Ma and Pa as counsellors I'm going to have to think hard about EJ's rates. I really want to read that.
In a domestic conflict, with two parties of goodwill? He deadass might be. Although there should be a tradition of diplomacy to draw on.
I don't really want him to do it either. Maybe spend more wordcount fleshing out the idea?
Something like "Hazou feels that Noburi and Yuno might want to seek out a disinterested third party for mediation. Someone highly skilled in interpersonal conflict. Not Mari if Yuno hates her, but a social specialist who can navigate things better than Hazou. Hire Kurenai for a B-Rank or something if necessary."
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If it is Goketsu-Original then technically Noburi invented it with the Goketsu Standard Operating Procedures or whatever, right?
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Honestly that might legitimately be the best option
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[X] Action Plan: Changing Minds
Cariyaga
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I think that you should be very careful with telling Kumafuwafuwa of the Yamanaka; telling him before talking to Ino about it could be seen as a betrayal. Just say that we know ninja whose domain is the mind, and we ourselves use one of their jutsu to better our mental health.
Helpful commentary! Thank you.
Had worse trouble determining a way to help Akane. Was thinking of checking in with Team Gai to see how their pacifism weathered the war as a prelude. Internal validation is better, but maybe she wants atonement from them or to face a tribunal. Or meeting the Turtles could help when she gets a contract.
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Someone to give us/Kagome/Noburi/etc information on who we'll be meeting next and what to say or not say in order to make a good impression. Not sure if there's a real name for it.
Exactly this.
I think the best thing we can do for Akane is to give her cuddles and support, and listen if she wants to talk about it.
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Akane is pretty good when it comes to talking about her issues. When she told Hazou they could date again, she was upfront about what she wanted and why (then gave Hazou all the time he needed to think about it). Akane was honest about "sometimes needing a push" when they reconciled, so that she wouldn't lose herself in Hazou's big dreams. Akane was upfront about why she was mad at Hazou for the Haru Incident (and then removed herself until she was able to talk about it calmly with Ino serving as an intermediary).
Akane will talk to Hazou when she's ready. [As it stands now,] We're there for her when and how she needs us to be. When she's finally ready to discuss her pain, we'll be there, too. With Ino and maybe also Snowflake (if Akane's relationship with Snowflake has progressed/continued all this time).
Akane will talk to Hazou when she's ready. [As it stands now,] We're there for her when and how she needs us to be. When she's finally ready to discuss her pain, we'll be there, too. With Ino and maybe also Snowflake (if Akane's relationship with Snowflake has progressed/continued all this time).
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Though the first time they broke up she actually didn't really voice her concerns explicitly until she was already dumping him
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Hazou, weeks later: Wait, I got dumped?
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Din't knew that jashin sama was a fish.
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Alright, time to get off my figurative ass.
226 words, including the "Planned Length: 10 days" thing.
Why 10 days, exactly? Is it because that's how long until Noburi finishes his Akimichi training/Kagome gets Summoning? Perhaps this could be made more explicit for the sake of QM spoons?
Related to this, and I think it has been mentioned before: We should do our due diligence on this and talk to Kumokogo about the second Sealing-focused Summoner to help, and ask about the customs and approaches etc. etc. so that when we have this conversation about how to keep Kagome alive during the inevitable meeting, we have a list of things Kagome should and should not do.
Looking back, I feel uncomfortable asking Kumafuwafuwa for Mareo's consent, it makes me feel like Mareo doesn't have any right to his own choices (which in a sense he doesn't, but not enough that I would be OK with this). Maybe we could just say that we intend to ask Mareo (and explain what we plan to do/say here), then ask Kumafuwafuwa if he has any objections.
Any chance we could, uh...not do this? Ninja death world yadda yadda yadda, but I want to keep our relationship with Mareo with a minimum of giving-his-information-to-XYZ.
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Plan feedback with vote commitments!
Given that wordcount is available, I think it might be worthwhile to add something in like 'we're not upset - a lot of things went wrong there and most of them weren't in your control'.
I further think that talking about going behind his back is pointless because eventually, we're going to have to explain this to Mareo, who has thus far demonstrated that he has no interest in being coddled or handled. 'Hey, we went and got you this jutsu - your friend the huge bear said we shouldn't ask you about it first'. I don't see that playing out well.
I'd also like to see a line in there where we temper expectations - 'this probably won't work, but it might and if it doesn't we don't think any harm will be done'.
Meeting with Ino and Akane seems...reasonable, I guess, although I don't know that Akane will have much to add. We should explain what's going on to Ino and ask if a) she consents to our teaching this guy the YSJ and under what conditions (e.g., can we explain who the Yamanaka are to him) and b) if she has any other advice. I worry the current wording will come across like Hazo asking either for secret techniques or 'hey, anyone can do this, can you explain to me how this works so I can take a shot at it'? Worst case, she's offended, best case, she laughs at us for supposing that we could meaningfully help with a condition this complex with zero training.
We should not offer to share anything from Mareo, elderly and irritable ninja. Suggesting it to Kumafuwafuwa demonstrates such poor judgement (one does not share anything about a ninja to a ninja they've never met, even if you're all allies) that I expect he'll ban us from seeing Mareo ever again. Offering her some Goketsu resources for her help would be appropriate and might even put us in Mareo or Kumafuwafuwa's good graces.
I'd like to see sanity-checks with Mari and Cannai: Cannai can gut-check us on any strangeness with respect to talking to a Boss or their revered Summoner.
If you implement those changes I'll vote for your plan. I think that it can be done while leaving the spirit of the plan intact.
If there's word-count left over, I'd also really like to write Fujisawa a letter, as is laid out in my plan. A simple, low-pressure, and heartfelt apology seems like it could defuse a situation that could go backwards on us pretty easily.
I actually think that the Yuno section could be cut or pared down. I don't think that we should actually suggest counselling to her - who knows what Isanese taboo we might step on by making relationship suggestions? (A bullet point about 'follow all Isanese customs' might be an idea, so we don't accidentally challenge her to a dance-off to the death because that's what cooking together means in Isan.)
I think that paring the Yuno section down to 'ask her to cook dinner together, ask her how Noburi's behaviour makes her feel, talk about how much we empathize with the struggle of integrating into an entirely different culture, and how much harder it must be for Yuno, where the divide is so much greater and she doesn't have anyone from her village around her' would be sufficient and much lower-risk while accomplishing pretty much the same thing. The rest of the wordcount could be put towards an Akane scene.
If you add some checks (Isanese customs, not overstepping when it comes to meddling in their relationship) you have my vote.
Velorien nixed the stunt. I think that having this sort of interaction is very valuable - Kagome is going to be in a position where he needs to speak carefully very soon, if not at the end of the update. I think that asking for Mari's help and talking about the transferability of intelligence-analysis skills to social defenses (keeping quiet and thinking before you say something) would be a good idea. A quick Mari crash course in not getting eaten by a spider Empress seems like a good idea, at any rate.
Given that wordcount is available, I think it might be worthwhile to add something in like 'we're not upset - a lot of things went wrong there and most of them weren't in your control'.
I think that asking Kumafuwafuwa if we should go behind Mareo's back will significantly damage our relationship with him. We should simply explain what we know and ask how he thinks we should proceed.
I further think that talking about going behind his back is pointless because eventually, we're going to have to explain this to Mareo, who has thus far demonstrated that he has no interest in being coddled or handled. 'Hey, we went and got you this jutsu - your friend the huge bear said we shouldn't ask you about it first'. I don't see that playing out well.
I'd also like to see a line in there where we temper expectations - 'this probably won't work, but it might and if it doesn't we don't think any harm will be done'.
Meeting with Ino and Akane seems...reasonable, I guess, although I don't know that Akane will have much to add. We should explain what's going on to Ino and ask if a) she consents to our teaching this guy the YSJ and under what conditions (e.g., can we explain who the Yamanaka are to him) and b) if she has any other advice. I worry the current wording will come across like Hazo asking either for secret techniques or 'hey, anyone can do this, can you explain to me how this works so I can take a shot at it'? Worst case, she's offended, best case, she laughs at us for supposing that we could meaningfully help with a condition this complex with zero training.
We should not offer to share anything from Mareo, elderly and irritable ninja. Suggesting it to Kumafuwafuwa demonstrates such poor judgement (one does not share anything about a ninja to a ninja they've never met, even if you're all allies) that I expect he'll ban us from seeing Mareo ever again. Offering her some Goketsu resources for her help would be appropriate and might even put us in Mareo or Kumafuwafuwa's good graces.
I'd like to see sanity-checks with Mari and Cannai: Cannai can gut-check us on any strangeness with respect to talking to a Boss or their revered Summoner.
If you implement those changes I'll vote for your plan. I think that it can be done while leaving the spirit of the plan intact.
If there's word-count left over, I'd also really like to write Fujisawa a letter, as is laid out in my plan. A simple, low-pressure, and heartfelt apology seems like it could defuse a situation that could go backwards on us pretty easily.
I wish that there was less that I liked in this plan so I could suggest cutting some of it and including more content. I'd love to see Ma and Pa suggested as counsellors - I actually think that might work (they're remarkably insightful when they put their minds to it and Yuno respects the hell out of Summons).
I actually think that the Yuno section could be cut or pared down. I don't think that we should actually suggest counselling to her - who knows what Isanese taboo we might step on by making relationship suggestions? (A bullet point about 'follow all Isanese customs' might be an idea, so we don't accidentally challenge her to a dance-off to the death because that's what cooking together means in Isan.)
I think that paring the Yuno section down to 'ask her to cook dinner together, ask her how Noburi's behaviour makes her feel, talk about how much we empathize with the struggle of integrating into an entirely different culture, and how much harder it must be for Yuno, where the divide is so much greater and she doesn't have anyone from her village around her' would be sufficient and much lower-risk while accomplishing pretty much the same thing. The rest of the wordcount could be put towards an Akane scene.
If you add some checks (Isanese customs, not overstepping when it comes to meddling in their relationship) you have my vote.
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Perhaps something more like this?
I also specifically add a clause to run the deal past Asuma because we really shouldn't be giving jutsu away to foreigners without Hokage permission, even if it's someone like Mareo who almost certainly will never use it against us.
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I had the inbuilt assumption that Ino would handle that sort of check, but, yes, I agree this is wise.
One day Hazo will be sufficiently versed in realpolitik that we won't have to include these sorts of things in our plans. What a wonderous day that will be.
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I believe that is what EJ stated was our ideal seal research cycle.
Good point, removed.
I don't think having Akane there would hurt, and we keep being told that we should spend time with her while she is recovering.
Added, as well as getting permission from Ino to talk about the Yamanaka? I'm not sure on that part, it's sort of a chicken and the egg situation. Do we ask Ino permission to tell Mareo about the Yamanaka and their expertise of the mind? She'll want to know about Mareo and why we want to know this. Should we really be doing so much towards this with Mareo's consent? Ahhhhhh
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IMO the best order is:
Kumafuwafuwa: 'our village may have techniques that would help Mareo's mental stability. May we have your permission to consult with somene who knows more than us, our trusted partner, about the broad strokes of Mareo's condition?'
Ino/Asuma: 'the Squirrel Summoner is a little batty but likes us. Are there any simple jutsu or techniques we can share to help him hang onto his marbles? We're confident he poses no threat.'
'our village' avoids the specifics. It's common knowledge in the EN that the Yamanaka do brain stuff - Ino showed off the Mind-Transfer jutsu during the Chuunin exams, and it's not much of a leap from there, but by keeping it vague (not even mentioning the YSJ) we're minimizing exposure.
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