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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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ProperAttorney said:
I believe that is what EJ stated was our ideal seal research cycle.
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Wait, really? That's a hell of a coincidence since 10 days from now is when Noburi gets the Akimichi jutsu results and (@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Confirm this ?) Kagome finishes Summoning training. Huh.
ProperAttorney said:
Explain Arachnid customs/do-and-do-nots.
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I will observe that we haven't done this yet and all we have is our experience-based information. I highly recommend that Hazou take the time to ask about this stuff with Kumokogo et al.
ProperAttorney said:
Sanity check with Cannai and Mari.
  • Get Asuma's and Ino's permission if needed.
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Wait what, why are we doing this? We should be asking Kumafuwafuwa and Mareo first, not talking to Asuma and Ino (and arguably Cannai and Mari, but that's my opinion).
ProperAttorney said:
Added, as well as getting permission from Ino to talk about the Yamanaka? I'm not sure on that part, it's sort of a chicken and the egg situation. Do we ask Ino permission to tell Mareo about the Yamanaka and their expertise of the mind? She'll want to know about Mareo and why we want to know this. Should we really be doing so much towards this with Mareo's consent? Ahhhhhh
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We don't need to explicitly talk about the Yamanaka at all here, just say there are people in Konoha who may or may not be able to help, and ask for permission for us to ask them about what could be done for Mareo's condition.

I would highly recommend you utilize @RandomOTP's plan on how to approach Kumafuwafuwa and Mareo.
RandomOTP said:
Kumafuwafuwa and Mareo:
  • Our village may have resources that can help but we'll need to ask permission. Are you interested in us pursuing this?"
  • We don't want to promise anything for fear of creating false hope, but we'd like to be able to ask around to see what the options are.
    • This is your body, your mind, we won't do or say anything if you don't want us to. We understand privacy.
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Wholesome votes.

[X] Interlude: Fifi
[X] Interlude: Ino
[X] Interlude: Mari's talk with Noburi about Yuno
[X] Interlude: Atomu and his Daughter
[X] Interlude: A Hazou Date
[X] Interlude: Hazou shows off ARS to Kagome
[X] Interlude: Honoka and Hanabi (babysat by a totally-not-smiling Neji) Commandeer Haru's stepsiblings and Atomu's Daughter to Play Hide and Seek on the Goketsu Estate
[X] Interlude: Kagome and Honoka Conspire to make Akane Smile
 
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FaintlySorcerous said:
IMO the best order is:

Kumafuwafuwa: 'our village may have techniques that would help Mareo's mental stability. May we have your permission to consult with somene who knows more than us, our trusted partner, about the broad strokes of Mareo's condition?'

Ino/Asuma: 'the Squirrel Summoner is a little batty but likes us. Are there any simple jutsu or techniques we can share to help him hang onto his marbles? We're confident he poses no threat.'

'our village' avoids the specifics. It's common knowledge in the EN that the Yamanaka do brain stuff - Ino showed off the Mind-Transfer jutsu during the Chuunin exams, and it's not much of a leap from there, but by keeping it vague (not even mentioning the YSJ) we're minimizing exposure.
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Tried to implement this, please let me know if you see any issues with it.
faflec said:
I will observe that we haven't done this yet and all we have is our experience-based information. I highly recommend that Hazou take the time to ask about this stuff with Kumokogo et al.
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Added this to offscreen prep, IMO the information is best presented to the reader when explained to Kagome.
faflec said:
Wait what, why are we doing this? We should be asking Kumafuwafuwa and Mareo first, not talking to Asuma and Ino (and arguably Cannai and Mari, but that's my opinion).
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Changed the order, does that look better to you?
faflec said:
We don't need to explicitly talk about the Yamanaka at all here, just say there are people in Konoha who may or may not be able to help, and ask for permission for us to ask them about what could be done for Mareo's condition.

I would highly recommend you utilize @RandomOTP's plan on how to approach Kumafuwafuwa and Mareo.
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Removed mention of the Yamanaka, is this better?
 
ProperAttorney said:
Offscreen: Ask Kumokugo about Arachnid social information that Kagome should have.
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Suggestion: Instead of "social information" use "etiquette"? Not sure if there are edge cases that would fuck us here :p
ProperAttorney said:
If Mareo rejects, skip rest of this section.
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So on the one hand I agree that Mareo should be the final arbiter of what to do/not do, but on the other hand if we catch him at a bad time and he says no but Kumafuwafuwa says yes, the plan would require Hazou to...not do anything.

Maybe say that "If a fully-cognizant Mareo rejects..."?
 
faflec said:
Suggestion: Instead of "social information" use "etiquette"? Not sure if there are edge cases that would fuck us here :p

So on the one hand I agree that Mareo should be the final arbiter of what to do/not do, but on the other hand if we catch him at a bad time and he says no but Kumafuwafuwa says yes, the plan would require Hazou to...not do anything.

Maybe say that "If a fully-cognizant Mareo rejects..."?
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Simple enough, changed those bits
 
Velorien said:
Strictly speaking, this is not the case. I said I could maybe see a case for it with narrow applications, just not as a social fix-all that would have prevented the Fujisawa incident. Either way, @eaglejarl and I haven't had the chance to discuss it and make a QM decision yet.
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I appreciate the correction.

The thing that I meant to communicate was 'my interpretation of the goal was to get Kagome a stunt which would be broadly-applicable, and Velorien has nixed that', but I failed to do so.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I wish that there was less that I liked in this plan so I could suggest cutting some of it and including more content. I'd love to see Ma and Pa suggested as counsellors - I actually think that might work (they're remarkably insightful when they put their minds to it and Yuno respects the hell out of Summons).

I actually think that the Yuno section could be cut or pared down. I don't think that we should actually suggest counselling to her - who knows what Isanese taboo we might step on by making relationship suggestions? (A bullet point about 'follow all Isanese customs' might be an idea, so we don't accidentally challenge her to a dance-off to the death because that's what cooking together means in Isan.)

I think that paring the Yuno section down to 'ask her to cook dinner together, ask her how Noburi's behaviour makes her feel, talk about how much we empathize with the struggle of integrating into an entirely different culture, and how much harder it must be for Yuno, where the divide is so much greater and she doesn't have anyone from her village around her' would be sufficient and much lower-risk while accomplishing pretty much the same thing.The rest of the wordcount could be put towards an Akane scene.

If you add some checks (Isanese customs, not overstepping when it comes to meddling in their relationship) you have my vote.
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Here's the first round of edits regarding these suggestions:
Shrooms said:
[X] Enough is Enough!
Word Count: 264
  • Prep with Mari/Akane
  • Noburi
    • Invite your brother for a spar, far away from listening ears.
    • We can't go a week without some social calamity, eh?
    • Yuno's been threatening your womanizing still, and neither of you seem happy about it. Hazou feels obligated to say something.
      • When Akane dumped Hazou, he wasn't aware there was even an issue, because they failed to communicate.
      • Noburi would know: are Noburi and Yuno communicating? Establishing boundaries and expectations? Can't just wait for resentment to build, or we'll have another social explosion for Hazou to fumble horribly.
      • Hazou feels that Noburi and Yuno need someone to counsel them. Yuno hates Mari, but perhaps some other social specialist who can navigate things better than Hazou.
        • Maybe Ma and Pa are up to it?
      • Hazou supports them both. He just wants everyone to be happy.
  • Yuno
    • Ask Yuno to help Hazou cook family dinner. Follow Isan customs. Focus more on helping her share/vent her feelings than providing advice.
      • Hazou is concerned with Yuno constantly threatening Noburi. It isn't healthy for their relationship.
      • Sometimes Noburi's behavior makes her unhappy, which Hazou also doesn't want. Could she describe exactly how it makes her feel?
      • When Kei, Hazou, and Noburi were in Mist, they were outcasts in their own way. Years later, not all of that has healed fully. Sometimes still, Hazou is insecure about his ideas being valued, Kei is insecure about her self-worth, and Noburi remembers being constantly overlooked as a ninja and romantic partner.
        • Yuno didn't deserve the treatment Isan gave her either. She deserves to be loved.
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FaintlySorcerous said:
The rest of the wordcount could be put towards an Akane scene.
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Considering how heavy the other two scenes are, I think this is a bit much for one update
 
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[X] Enough is Enough!
[X] Interlude: Mari's talk with Noburi about Yuno
[X] Interlude: A Hazou Date
[X] Interlude: Hazou shows off ARS to Kagome
[X] Interlude: Kagome and Honoka Conspire to make Akane Smile

Mechanically: stunt to allow Kagome to roll Cryptography/Sealing in place of a social skill when attempting to hold his tongue/not give away information.
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Is the fluff for this generic or Kagome specific? If asked when he first met Shikaku, he might answer that it happened 18 years ago in a doom fortress when he was a thirty-mumble year old woman? Something that pulls from parallel Kagomes. Not sure if it makes more sense to indiscriminately blend all lives or pick one at random.

Do not know what the result would be if we came to Kagome and he tried to dig deep to adjust his communication. Would not want it to alienate him from others or make him seem mad.
 
[X] Enough is Enough!

IMO you should still get rid of the part where we're commenting on how Yuno conducts her relationship (we're not that close with her and I don't trust Hazo to navigate Isanes/Yuno's personal interpersonal relationship minefield well) but vote commitments are vote commitments (and I'm also fairly confident you're not going to win).
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
IMO you should still get rid of the part where we're commenting on how Yuno conducts her relationship
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I mean, she's literally threatening Noburi with extreme violence when he behaves in a way she doesn't like. I very much want to express that while Hazou still cares about Yuno's wellbeing, that kind of behavior isn't okay. I feel like that's the most important part to be honest.

EDIT: I wanted to expand a bit on the fact that I think it's been said Yuno draws some comfort from the familiarity of the "Clan Head" role. I think that makes certain interactions with Hazou easier for her in a way that it isn't for a lot of other people. If Akane were in a better state perhaps she could do it but, yknow
FaintlySorcerous said:
we're not that close with her
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I'll have you know Hazou is one of her only self declared friends!
FaintlySorcerous said:
and I'm also fairly confident you're not going to win
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oof :rofl:
 
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Shrooms said:
I mean, she's literally threatening Noburi with extreme violence when he behaves in a way she doesn't like. I very much want to express that while Hazou still cares about Yuno's wellbeing, that kind of behavior isn't okay. I feel like that's the most important part to be honest.
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I get that, yeah, but there's also the consideration that Noburi hasn't said anything. Stepping into his relationship to say 'hey, that's not cool' has a lot of different failure modes beyond just Isan-specific elements and I feel like we're going to hit one of them.

We're her friend, but unless we play this very very gently (which your plan does not do adequately IMO) then I think we're going to start being her acquaintance.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I get that, yeah, but there's also the consideration that Noburi hasn't said anything.
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He didn't say anything when Akane exploded either, which Hazou was annoyed by. Seems like the dude kinda just takes the path of least resistance sometimes
FaintlySorcerous said:
Stepping into his relationship to say 'hey, that's not cool' has a lot of different failure modes beyond just Isan-specific elements and I feel like we're going to hit one of them.
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The risk of this is generally mitigated by the "prep/sanity check with Mari/Akane/everyone" type lines. That's actually why I personally don't like those lines to an extent, it takes a lot of the risk away from our decision-making. Still, I think it would more or less smooth this concern over in this instance.
 
Probably, yeah.

In this case I feel like empathizing and then saying 'hey, I think this thing is really hurting your relationship' is the play if you want to say that instead of leading with criticism, but we'll see (or we won't).
 
Alright, I guess I'm doing this now.
Shrooms said:
Hazou feels that Noburi and Yuno need someone to counsel them. Yuno hates Mari, but perhaps some other social specialist who can navigate things better than Hazou.
  • Maybe Ma and Pa are up to it?
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Anyone else find it funny that Yuno hates Mari (and Mari probably doesn't like Yuno), but we're asking Mari to counsel us on how to talk to Noburi and Yuno about their relationship as though she'd genuinely help them with the expectation that she won't do any Heartbreaking whatsoever?
Shrooms said:
  • Hazou is concerned with Yuno constantly threatening Noburi. It isn't healthy for their relationship.
  • Sometimes Noburi's behavior makes her unhappy, which Hazou also doesn't want. Could she describe exactly how it makes her feel?
  • When Kei, Hazou, and Noburi were in Mist, they were outcasts in their own way. Years later, not all of that has healed fully. Sometimes still, Hazou is insecure about his ideas being valued, Kei is insecure about her self-worth, and Noburi remembers being constantly overlooked as a ninja and romantic partner.
    • Yuno didn't deserve the treatment Isan gave her either. She deserves to be loved.
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This absolutely needs more elaboration in terms of how Yuno could respond; as-is it's just a starting board that Hazou can use to start a conversation with, but he has to fill the rest in himself and this is a social interaction.
 
faflec said:
Wait, really? That's a hell of a coincidence since 10 days from now is when Noburi gets the Akimichi jutsu results and (@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Confirm this ?) Kagome finishes Summoning training. Huh.
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I think the main reason is that's where brevity XP caps out. For seal research you can spend up to AB days in prep, each giving you +2 on the infusion roll. Hazō's Sealing AB is 5, so he can usefully spend 5 days. If he uses Summoning Scroll Acolyte (which is the default) then he needs to refrain from sealing for 2 days after making the infusion roll. Therefore:

5 days prep
1 day infusion
2 days recover from the SSA headache

That's 8 days. If, based on his roll, Hazō decides that's it's safe to work without prep then he could make another infusion roll immediately in order to move things along.

10 days from now is when Noburi finishes his ACE training. Kagome finishes summoning training at basically the same time. Might be a few days later, I don't recall, but it's basically the same.
 
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[ ] Plan Fragment: The Birds and the Threats of Great Bodily Injury

Talk to Yuno or ask Akane to:
  • Tension with Noburi over other women is valid
  • Still it causes real stress for both of them
  • Suspect it's made worse by fear for and uncertainty in relationship
  • Suggest telling Noburi how his actions make you feel and what they make you think
  • Trust Noburi will listen honestly and take you seriously when you open up
  • Suggest Satsuko in room might make discussion harder to have. Akane could keep her company as you talk?
  • None of above is order, just suggestion of friend.
Note: If Yuno doesn't take this at face value it could backfire badly. It really can't be an order, just a nudge towards sharing feelings and worries. Akane would be a better messenger but she's kinda out of it.

Unrelatedly, are Tenten and Shiori dead? Because, which catching up, it sure read like they died off screen and everyone keeps avoiding the topic for Keiko's sake.
 
And in a couple sealing levels, it'll be a 9 day cycle, as he'll be able to prep an extra day.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Apr 27, 2022 at 7:02 AM, finished with 160 posts and 14 votes.
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Velorien said:
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Apr 27, 2022 at 7:02 AM, finished with 160 posts and 14 votes.
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bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
Velorien said:
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Apr 27, 2022 at 7:02 AM, finished with 160 posts and 14 votes.
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You know, there is a scary amount of overlap between Hayasaka and Mari now that you point it out
 
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