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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Threaten to atomize the Dragon Remains >:3
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Threaten to atomize the Dragon Remains >:3
- Location
- Yes.
Threaten?
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- He/Him
*Auras you and leaves with the Dragon stuff, knocks a vase off a shelf as he exits*
- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
That's a small mistake on my part. I took the number straight off our economics spreadsheet without remembering that it was 95% after subsistence. I'll add that note.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Not the Vase!
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
My scattered thoughts:
- Is now a good time to talk to Shikamaru? Is there some way we can make it less of an imposition?
- We may not be able to fit both in the plan, but maybe Yuno has some perspective on it as well. I'd want to take care not to go 'spill all the secrets you swore to keep, so orders your Lord' on her but for all we know she's a treasure trove of lore she'd be perfectly happy to share.
- Could we add some meta with Shikamaru about, like, 'I recognize that the Nara may or may not deal in secrets which they would not want others to know the mere existence of. What methods should we use to ensure you are not cornered into giving up information you do not wish to?'
- Can we get Mari's help on the Kabuto section? Like, this feels like the sort of scenario where we might get out-socialed or something (and Kabuto has great socials) and I don't want to risk losing our dragon loot like that.
[X] Action Plan: Reject Clan Council, Return to Forbidden Lore
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- He/Him
It is because it's seeming like people want to go on adventures soon, I was hoping we might get a destination to check out out of the conversation
I would like to talk to her too, eventually!
Sure, if we can think of a concise way to say that or heavily condense what's already in the plan.
I mean, the plan is sanity checked by Mari, unless you mean something else? Maybe like 'optimize with Mari' instead?
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I mean in the sense of, like, he's been having a particularly bad time the last little while. I don't want to toss a stressful conversation on top of that if we can make it more accommodating somehow.
I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for, but it's something within the ballpark of 'bring Mari with us so she can keep us from getting tossed around socially if it comes to rolls'. Or something, I'm just uneasy at Hazou going it alone.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Well, this turned into a bit of a reaction post.
I never thought of the shape that way before, but now I can never unsee it.
It kind of sounds like a trade school, but mobile and with free tuition. That sounds like something that could have been really helpful for countries just coming out of being colonies, since a lot of them had been forced to buy any product that needed skill to make from their colonizers, thus depleting the amount of skilled workers they had when they finally became free.
That was an excellent chapter, @eaglejarl ! I love this kind of stuff.
Well, that's a good sign.
Ooh, I like it so far.
Whoo!
Yeahp, that is DEFINITELY on the right side of the Laffer I Curve. We could probably cut that down by like 15 percentage points before we hit the point where reducing taxes reduces how much tax we get. At least, based on the estimates I've seen.
Yessssssss!
I never thought of the shape that way before, but now I can never unsee it.
Speaking of which, the Nara Future Foundation sounds like a really good idea. @eaglejarl , is there an irl equivalent that it was based on?
It kind of sounds like a trade school, but mobile and with free tuition. That sounds like something that could have been really helpful for countries just coming out of being colonies, since a lot of them had been forced to buy any product that needed skill to make from their colonizers, thus depleting the amount of skilled workers they had when they finally became free.
Ooh, sounds useful.
Bold. The economy of the town will certainly boom. I assume we'll do other tax rates for other towns once we have a proof of concept, so we can get a good idea of what the optimal rate is.
An excellent example of cool things we can do with enough money! We'll certainly need money to cover at least the taxes of the first year (the one where we're asking for a %0 tax rate).
Holy crap, that's brilliant. Instead of trying to do this one town at a time and making sure we directly own each one, we're maneuvering so that while the Tower or whoever still owns them, we eventually get a cut of the increased profit from every single town. Clever.
Yesssssssssss!
That was an excellent chapter, @eaglejarl ! I love this kind of stuff.
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- He/Him
Fair enough, I'll see about working something in
We could bring Canabisu, or one of the lore/taleswap doggies? To represent Cannai's poem as well as prevent Hazou from going in alone. Tbh though I think Hazou will be fine, gotta take those training wheels off eventually
edit: doh you were talking about kabuto, WHOOPS. yeah I don't see why Mari can't come
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
[X] Action Plan: Reject Clan Council, Return to Forbidden Lore
@Shrooms
I would maybe mention that we attempt to use our EMPATHY and knowledge of Shikamaru as a good friend, brother-in-law, etc. to structure our initial argument so that we can explicitly use some of Shikamaru's own Aspects (we get a free tag once we figure them out) to drive things home on the Rapport side of things.
tl;dr:
1) Use Empathy to attempt to figure out one or two of Shika's exact Aspects (and maybe if hes trying hard to hide them, waste some of his FP).
2) Use FP invokes on our own + free tags on his to Rapport him.
@Shrooms
I would maybe mention that we attempt to use our EMPATHY and knowledge of Shikamaru as a good friend, brother-in-law, etc. to structure our initial argument so that we can explicitly use some of Shikamaru's own Aspects (we get a free tag once we figure them out) to drive things home on the Rapport side of things.
tl;dr:
1) Use Empathy to attempt to figure out one or two of Shika's exact Aspects (and maybe if hes trying hard to hide them, waste some of his FP).
2) Use FP invokes on our own + free tags on his to Rapport him.
- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
You need to ask @Velorien, as he is the one who created it. I'm with you in thinking that it sounds smart.
I think that taxation from villages is usually food, not ryo?
Hopefully, the planners of the econ stuff know this and will plan accordingly for its effect. The Nara and a daimyo are involved and so should have knowledge. But this is unprecedented stuff. And even Gaku messed up on not realizing effects of printing Goketsu scrip.
Wonder if we should check up on the village Haru donated too (although hazou doesn't know about it). But if the effects in there were bad and get discovered, it might paint the whole project in a bad light.
edit: the villagers and tax collectors also need to actually know that the tax rate is decreased. otherwise tax collectors could innocently or malicious take the usual 95%
Hopefully, the planners of the econ stuff know this and will plan accordingly for its effect. The Nara and a daimyo are involved and so should have knowledge. But this is unprecedented stuff. And even Gaku messed up on not realizing effects of printing Goketsu scrip.
Wonder if we should check up on the village Haru donated too (although hazou doesn't know about it). But if the effects in there were bad and get discovered, it might paint the whole project in a bad light.
edit: the villagers and tax collectors also need to actually know that the tax rate is decreased. otherwise tax collectors could innocently or malicious take the usual 95%
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- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
Can you add something about 'heap praise on Mari' in there?
This is huge.
If we know her mother's name then we should put it on something.
- Location
- Raleigh, NC
Low number of ninja, seeking economic growth...
Time for civilian usable storage seals?
Then seal tech rifles for killing critters?
Time for civilian usable storage seals?
Then seal tech rifles for killing critters?
I feel like we should just attempt to sell it to Orochimaru directly. If we are putting it up in a public lab precisely so that Oro can't grumble about it, and don't expect many other people would be interested in researching it, then we might just want to extract a benefit from it, and go talk to the snake. I imagine he isn't a sore loser when it comes to people coming to him with actual, interesting opportunities and would be willing to exchange something worthwhile for it, especially since replacing his virgin snake scale dna with those of chad dragons with biosealing sounds like something in his desired ballpark.
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
- Location
- Colombia
I love how much of the quest is simultaneously using Ami's influence, curtailing, increasing it and trying to prevent assassinations while preparing our own, while fully intending to work for a common goal whit her.
Hazou's relationship whit Ami could be described as "high stakes fuck, marry, kill"
One of them he delegates to Mari, Ami has no intention of doing one of those herself but approves for others to do and he has to coordinate whit Mari for the remaining one.
Hazou's relationship whit Ami could be described as "high stakes fuck, marry, kill"
One of them he delegates to Mari, Ami has no intention of doing one of those herself but approves for others to do and he has to coordinate whit Mari for the remaining one.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Again, Calligraphy was our limitting factor last time we researched it, and researching it with a clone will only exacerbate that issue.
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- He/Him
Didn't we upgrade our calligraphy since then? Is a +3 the make-or-break? I mean it's not a big deal to change it I'm just curious
[X] Action Plan: The Snake of Forbidden Knowledge
Word Count: 298
Word Count: 298
- Sanity check with Mari.
- Orochimaru
- Approve with Asuma
- Ask for advice on how to approach to lower odds of Orochimaru deciding to just take everything.
- Goketsu would like to exchange dragon pieces for something of similar value we can use (sealing notes, techniques etc).
- Would Orochimaru like to get his hands on it? Mention its Out properties, durability and the immense heat that melts flesh to the bone.
- Subtext : Unique, could serve as an incredible upgrade for his snakey scales - It sounds in Oro's ballpark to induce instant mind trauma in anyone that so much as gazes upon his form and be untouchable to any who don't want their flesh to melt right off.
- Bargain for techniques and sealing notes. Invoke aspects. Don't push our luck, but try to keep a piece if possible. Quip/nudge that should more be necessary, there are 5 other unique specimen on 7th Path.
- Humbly ask to tell us/Asuma if he learns something about the Great Seal.
- Approve with Asuma
- Offscreen
- Ensure Ami gets requested Isan dossier.
- Celebrate with Mari. Ask if SSSSS adoptions are still a concern.
- Have a clone research ARS, LBF/Chakdar inspired Seal that activates a paired Seal when activated.
- Talk to Shikamaru, recounting Cannai's poem. The Great Seal has Hazou concerned there are existential threats the Sage left behind.
- "Seven locks for seven rocks". There are 7 paths, and the Great Seal is a lock. Are there six more somewhere? Is there a similar legend? Flow of fire could be lava, mighty waves the sea, etc. Do these verses seem to correspond to a real location? Why would Shade be dangerous? Does he know who is singing?
- Cannai spoke of Sage's band of five battling the Eaters. Does he know if they fought anything else we should worry about?
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OK, I still would like to include some "Don't stress shika" line, I'll try to optimize for word count tomorrow, but I've updated the plan for most/all other suggestions.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
We did, yes, but not by a large enough margin for the +3 to not be substantial. Calligraphy's real easy to fuck up on with fate dice if we're not at +9 over level, and I don't *think* it's part of our Sealing SOP...
Actually, we should revisit our Sealing SOP, what is it?
Rationale behind this plan:
We don't seem to be able to make effective use of the dragon scale directly. The value of a dragonforged weapon or another piece of gear is exceedingly limited to us at present, especially compared to how unique and one of a kind a treasure the scale is. Therefore it makes sense to eke out value out of the artifact by outright selling it. It should be extremely valuable to Orochimaru given the reasoning mentioned in the plan as well as his overall obsession with research. Valuable to the point where he'd likely be willing to just steal it from us if we don't hand it to him one way or another. Shroom's plan sets up a public lab where Oro could study it... which doesn't exactly give us anything, and its not like anyone but Oro is likely to take interest in the item, therefore that's basically giving it away for free.
Stealing from us is annoying for him at present, but its just that. Conversely, I think giving us some okay jutsu or some of his sealing notes would not even register on his radar as a loss, more just as another annoyance, and likely a lesser one than the theft. Therefore I believe he'd be likely to give us something of value in return, and we could really use sealing notes or a jutsu from his private library. The object in question is, after all, priceless, so it warrants the trade. What does he care if he gives us something that we can use in return, so long as it costs him nothing personally? After all, he does not seem to view us as entities on the playing board just yet.
So basically it comes down to "is stealing from the Gouketsu after the recent Tsunade fiasco more annoying, or is giving them something in return more so?". And I think the theft would be the less favored option for him - which doesn't mean he'd not do it if not given the option of acquiring the scale otherwise. So instead I say we hand it to him and eke out valuable sealing notes/jutsu that we can use to grow stronger. And the more valuable we pitch the scale to be, the more he'd give us in return.
That's my reading of Oro anyway, and it sounds good to me, though I'd appreciate if someone could comment to sanity check me. And yes, he is someone who murders people and who we'd want to get rid of eventually, but its not like we can attempt to do so just yet - and even if we could, it'd not be worth the price unless we were absolutely certain we could do it without coming to much harm ourselves - after all, its just one more asshole in a ninja deathworld, plus he is a significant part of Leaf's military power - so him and us both growing stronger is a win. And its not like he would want to mess with us over trivialities, whether it be in the near future (because Tsunade) or long-term once we begin FOOM-ing in earnest - so the option as presented should not really have much detriment to it, and is essentially exchanging what amounts to a vanity item for us, into something of real and large value.
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- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Can we not just give up everything we ever get? I absolutely hate this
- Location
- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[] Action Plan: The Snake of Forbidden Knowledge
Would cut the approve with Asuma part. We don't need to bother the Hokage on random deals. Would also specifically define what dragon part we are trading for more explicitly
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