I suppose we indeed dont need to check with Asuma on that, and we're sanity checking with Mari regardless, will do. As far as the dragon part is concerned, don't we just have the scale? I think that's all the remains that we managed to salvage as everything else got burned. Either way shouldn't make much of a difference.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I suppose we indeed dont need to check with Asuma on that, and we're sanity checking with Mari regardless, will do. As far as the dragon part is concerned, don't we just have the scale? I think that's all the remains that we managed to salvage as everything else got burned. Either way shouldn't make much of a difference.
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Nope we got multiple different things. Would personally offer one to two scales to Oro
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Also before we write a plan taking stuff to Kabuto we should probably find out if he's alive or not. Since there are only 5-ish non accounted for jounin.
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I like the idea of going to Oro for a trade, since it gives us the initiative and time to prepare.
I actually think that asking Asuma for permission is incredibly important. This deal directly affects the power dynamics of his most important supporters, and he'll be less than happy if we don't at least give him a heads-up beforehand.
Asuma also has a better read on Orochimaru than us, so he can tell us whether Oro is likely to play nice without a peer there to stop him from just taking everything. Asuma can potentially moderate the deal himself, even. I wouldn't bother Tsunade with this, considering how she's probably feeling, but I do think we need someone there with us to moderate, who can tip the scales more towards 'make the deal' and away from 'take everything.' While I think he'll take the deal, this isn't the kind of thing that you go into without every single advantage you can get, and having Asuma there will help us bargain for a fair deal instead of getting Aura'd into giving him everything for a pittance.
How about this:
- Sanity check with Asuma
- Is he okay with this?
- Ask for advice and presence during the deal, to help Orochimaru decide not to just take everything
I think that Oro won't be satisfied with anything less than every dragon piece. I think we should also invoke every aspect we can. Maybe something like:
- Bargain as hard as you can. Try to keep the biggest piece (only if possible). Get notes on everything he learns, relevant to the dragons/Great Seal
- Internal: The clan, no, the world, is counting on your negotiations. You've been through worse. You have a plan, you know the value of what you have and what you want. (Invoke aspects)
Good points all around, will update the plan. I feel like with the current geopolitical reality and the recent Tsunade situation Oro would be very unlikely to just take it from us, but being careful would certainly not hurt. I'm torn on asking Asuma specifically to be present, given the situation with him the last time, but it could certainly work out. We should probably invoke Aspects and give Oro all the dragon goodies, yes (I was under the mistaken impression that we just have the one scale). Not sure if doing it this way and Shikamaru scene both in one plan would be feasible though.
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Def will unvote if we do this
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Mari and Ami cannot have all the fun. Does Noburi want to helm an organization? Put personal effort and clan resources behind him. Workshop teaming up with Wakahisa? Isan? Doctors Without Borders with Tsunade? Accrue first mover advantage before others adapt to a world after war.
With advice and consent, pitch the Wakahisa on breeding koi to augment MARI settlement walls with moats. Trade walls to Mist one to one with moats. Take sterile koi to create a dependency on the Wakahisa. Sending piscinists to maintain each moat is bad. Pay a yearly per moat fee for sharing the secret knowledge and training outsiders. Test koi shock attack scaling. Plan pricing to offer this to other alliance members.
Give Noburi Dragon remains to show to Conclave. Share descriptions of living Dragons. Seek cooperation and resources. Rehearse with Mari to frame higher contribution as a bidding war.
Mari and Ami cannot have all the fun. Does Noburi want to helm an organization? Put personal effort and clan resources behind him. Workshop teaming up with Wakahisa? Isan? Doctors Without Borders with Tsunade? Accrue first mover advantage before others adapt to a world after war.
With advice and consent, pitch the Wakahisa on breeding koi to augment MARI settlement walls with moats. Trade walls to Mist one to one with moats. Take sterile koi to create a dependency on the Wakahisa. Sending piscinists to maintain each moat is bad. Pay a yearly per moat fee for sharing the secret knowledge and training outsiders. Test koi shock attack scaling. Plan pricing to offer this to other alliance members.
Give Noburi Dragon remains to show to Conclave. Share descriptions of living Dragons. Seek cooperation and resources. Rehearse with Mari to frame higher contribution as a bidding war.
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The problem with Oro is that, well, what stops him from simply taking everything? Tsunade won't stop him because she already put a red-line down, she cannot put another, nor she would be interested in doing so. The Hokage simply doesn't have the political or military power to stop him.
There are good arguments to convince Oro, such as:
-If he steals from you, the next Dragon you won't tell him what parts you obtained
-If he steals from you, he'll need to take care of the other Dragons himself
-This means the Great Seal is real, and you're the primary Sealmaster working on it.
But we need to make them and depending on how possessive Oro is of his research, he'll simply ignore us because what can we do? Stop working on the apocalyptic threat? Lie to the Intimidation 60+ S-ranker? Personally i suggest talking to Kabuto, if we want to talk to someone.
There are good arguments to convince Oro, such as:
-If he steals from you, the next Dragon you won't tell him what parts you obtained
-If he steals from you, he'll need to take care of the other Dragons himself
-This means the Great Seal is real, and you're the primary Sealmaster working on it.
But we need to make them and depending on how possessive Oro is of his research, he'll simply ignore us because what can we do? Stop working on the apocalyptic threat? Lie to the Intimidation 60+ S-ranker? Personally i suggest talking to Kabuto, if we want to talk to someone.
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The point is he literally can't steal it from us because It shouldn't be with us. How is he going to steal it if it's on the 7th path? He can kill us but it won't get him what he wants and just cause more problems.
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There is a distinct dearth of celebrations for Mari's actions in these plans. Mari has done more to help humanity in this one chapter than the rest of Uplift combined have throughout the entire story. Maybe we can recover Hazō's title once we prevent the Drapocalypse, but for now Mari is the MVP.
I'm not saying that we should spend much word count or screen time on it, but it would be nice if the fam spends a day or so offscreen celebrating.
I'm not saying that we should spend much word count or screen time on it, but it would be nice if the fam spends a day or so offscreen celebrating.
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No. It only detects substantial amounts of liquid water. If you attempt to run experiments on where exactly the boundaries are ("Do jellyfish count? Do cucumbers count?") the results are "the answer keeps changing because chakra is a giant troll."
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...Can it find underground Wakahisa?
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If we have to keep it on the 7th path we can't study it anyway. Better to try and keep as many dragon parts as possible and make sure to get a ton of goodies out of it if we can't keep them all. A dragon part stuck on the 7th path forever for fear of Oro just showing up some day and taking it, isn't very useful to us.
It's an excellent idea to have them on the 7th path during negotiations, though.
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How can we not study it on the 7th path?
Added a quiet offscreen Mari celebration to my plan. We can't really spare the wordcount next chapter if we want to get things done, so I feel like that would have to suffice for now.
Updated the plan. Would you be okay with the current wording? Its rather hard to fit Shika and Oro scenes both in one plan and keep maximum brevity, and I barely managed it.
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If it's on the 7th path Hazō needs to study it himself, with his limited time and plan space. I suppose it's not technically impossible, but I find it highly unlikely that we would get around to doing it anytime in our lifetimes. We certainly wouldn't be able to turn it into a sword or axe, which by my reading is the primary benefit to keeping it for ourselves.
On the other hand, if human sealmasters are studying it or Oro is giving us notes, we can learn about it without having to work up the thread's political willpower or use Hazō's precious time.
Keep in mind that Hazou should always be able to just reverse summon himself in time regardless, particularly if he's not alone in the negotiations. And if he can't convince Asuma or someone relevant to accompany him, I assume him going alone just like that might be vetted by Hazou pilot or the Mari sanity check, or at least that she would tag along. Its still all in the middle of Leaf too. So I don't see that much danger, safety-wise, and he can't exactly steal it from us if he can't physically get it unless we give it to him, either (plus I still believe that to be something he would not try doing when presented with the much less annoying option of trade).
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I imagine with us sponsoring it that will happen by default, no? Mostly the things that can be done immediately are till&fill, constructing walls etc, and I think that happened already, so not sure what more we could do in the short term besides the global tax reduction.
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Could we say "Goketsu would like to make some Dragon parts publicly available for study."? I would like to pass off a part or two to the Seventh Path as physical evidence for the Conclave and Cannai.
Also @eaglejarl @Velorien has Hazou researched LBF seals? And were the most recent Training Plans implemented?
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Wait, what? Why would inter-clan adoption be limited now? It never was before.
And inter-clan marriage too? And who gets those tickets spent on inter-clan adoption/marriage?
No. This doesn't seem reasonable. As a Clan not specifically invested in empowering the KEI (so any Clan with more than one person that's older than Gokētsu) I'd vote firmly against this as it stands. There's no sensible reason to let the KEI control if an Aburame wants to marry a Kurusu. And inter-clan adoption is a zero sum game from a KEI vs old Clans perspective.
Hell, currently not even the Hokage has the power to veto inter-clan marriages. Or maybe he technically has due to being an absolute dictator on paper, but there's no precedent.
Also, I'm neither an economist nor a historian, but how do Fire cities other than Leaf function if 95% after subsistence goes to Leaf. And what even remains for the Daimyo to live like minor nobility? Do they normally take from the 95% and only pass on 90% or something? Or is the 5% that remains their usual cut? Is there a risk that they might secretly not go down by a full 10% because no ninja has the ability to notice the difference?
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Unfortunately none of these are acceptable to me. Way to passive and giving to much in. Also strongly against cutting in Asuma at all.
Unvoting for now
Unvoting for now
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It's in my plan but it isn't a scene. I'm sort of partied out atm personally so while I'd like it to happen there's other things I want to see
I explicitly don't want to give them up in the plan, but anyways if they exist Oro will come for them to study one way or another. I also think trying to trade with him could work but there's no room to haggle or anything, we'd have to just take whatever he offered cuz otherwise he will just intimidate aura blast us to get our cooperation. Even Mari didn't resist it so who would be doing the trade? Minimizing exposure to snuncle is preferable for the moment imo, which is the point of going through kabuto
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Well we are just freely letting people research on them without charging is just giving up value for no good reason. As for how to avoid just getting intimidated by Oro just have Noburi do the negotiations on the 7th path with Ma & Pa there.
Edit: And If Oro just winds up taking them once they are publicly available for research I reserve the right to say I told you so
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