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I don't particularly care if we sell it or not. I just find it funny that we have never kept a seal we researched for ourselves and I don't see that changing any time soon
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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No way are we passing on anything in the ARS line
EDIT: Also, macerators were stolen from us, we didn't give them away. We should make vastly improved versions that are harder to steal from being too gud
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We gave them away and they were stolen from us, in fairness. Macerators would've been submitted to the Contest and thus made public knowledge even if the Nara hadn't replicated the design on their own in their spare time.
If we (the hivemind) are dealing with Ami ... around Hazou... does that give Ami-the-character a chance to detect the hivemind directly? Are we gonna have to start actually _talking_ to her?
Too many walls... three was enough.
On the "How good is FOOM" debate, I appreciate hearing both sides - my past uninformed opinion was just "Foom is godhood" so hearing the actual limits is very useful to me. Are we actually gonna get really impactful power levels in a reasonable timeframe, or have we just wasted all this time we could have been punching or sealing?
Def onboard with picking sealing back up, whether with Nara help or not.
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FOOM repays its initial investment approximately when we hit Resolve 70, which will be after we idle at Resolve 69 for a while grinding other stats to support a level 70 skill in our build. Put in other terms, FOOM makes our growth as chuunin weaker, makes no difference to when we reach Jounin, and substantially increases the rate we grow beyond Jounin (at that point we're tripling our base XP gain, allowing us to reach S-Ranker stats years ahead of baseline expectations).
(and of course, levels in Resolve and Shadow Clone are valuable in their own right, so while we often discard them when evaluating 'how fast does FOOM pay off?' they improve our build in their own way. High Resolve means better ability to withstand Jounin auras and other psychic attacks, while Shadow Clone is an incredibly useful and versatile jutsu in its own right)
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When did we promise that? And we have other strong techniques that are good if not as good. Did it have the explicit/implied condition of her needing to join the Goketsu? If so, I'm not sure she'd give up her autonomy to be answerable to us (and potentially Mari!) especially not when she already has substantial political power with two nations and a substantial role in AMITY.
Did I miss his post or was that a Discord message?
She's spent plenty of time with him through KEI, no reason to expect that she'll realize now - but Naruto is also the exception to most things, there's no reason for her to associate Goketsu growth with Naruto growth, most atypically strong ninjas don't FOOM.
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This is 100% wrong and only depends on what we feed Hazou as information.
Hazou had little problem convincing Neji, Ruri and Minami to join the Trade network.
He probably lost the Minami roll, if there was a hidden one and we still got overall what we wanted.
Hazou actually won his roll with Mari's help against Yasuji and we got our Koi fish. (By selling MEW and Earth clones + Oro's biosealing thing, lol what a failure Yasuji)
And Kei got her wins against Yoshida and Arikada.
In an example where Hazou was alone with a Kurosawa to make a deal the most likely outcomes where we lose is, we either don't get anything or we have to pay more Goketsu stuff for Kurosawa stuff then when we would win the social rolls. Not exactly the end of the world.
Because we really aren't getting randomly assinssinated in the middle of Mist, with a summoning scroll, during an offical visit. Unless the Kurosawa want an investigation by a goverment that just kicked them out. But then they are simple idiots. (Plus we can bring "Bodyguards" anyway)
As for the rest of this point:
- You want to become the sole communication Clan? Are you really sure you understand what you're asking here? The Nara aren't in charge of the whole economiy/military, they are simply important because [SmartBrainMagic]. And we were never told why the Hagoromo have so much influence over marriage (which they don't have anymore anyway), but I doubt that Asuma wants to give that much power to a single clan, again. Leafs "Intelligence Department" for example was also run by Ibiki Morino (clanless), who is appearently dead, so it's probably Anko, so it's Ami again.
And to actually develop and propose something new:
Maybe we can talk with Mari about the Takahashi clan and their ninjutsu stuff? They might have or can make something for "Mental resistance".
Mari isn't banned from Isan, can lie to most of them, understands what we actually want and can be discreet about it, can return with the Yoshida to talk with Kagome/Hazou and if that actually works we can pull in Ino (or do that before if Mari likes the idea).
Us selling some Asuma approved seals (including Skywalkers, unless he really only wants weak allies) and other stuff should be enough to get an centuries old highly ninjutsu focused clan to help with an "secret" non-combat project.
I mean we can try in Leaf, but who is the best ninjutsu maker after Oro? How confident are we they are better/worse than them? And whats really more dangerous? Working with a clan who possible "knows" about SC or working with some people who know only the most general things, at best?
edit: Takahashi also met Orochimaru, working with him on anti-mind-blast stuff, shouldn't be a crazy idea for him.
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And it's not like negotiations with the Kurosawa aren't blatantly stacked in our favor. You could not design a more perfect storm tbh
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We should go to Mist anyway and figure out if Noburi's sister is good enough to attend the chunnin exams. Help her win and so on.
Then set her up with Harumitsu.
100% comedy-gold.
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He is learning sealing and went on a mission with us.
So he should be a genin. Even if he is kind of a special case.
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He's a genin. I think he's 12-13 years old, iirc.
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That's true, but some people graduate later. So it's not really a good way to measure that.
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Harumitsu.
I don't think there's anything to be gained by bringing this out into the open. Everyone plays dumb with Hazou about their secret stuff. Seems to work great. Depending on what tactic she uses we can continue to play dumb or try to get allies on our side.
I trust Mari to win a social conflict with Ami. If it does escalate I think Ami will lose. She doesn't have nearly as many friends here as in Mist. Mari has had plenty of time to make friends and win people over.
As to bringing Kei on board first, big advantage to be gained there, I agree. But I don't 100% trust her to side with us instead of Ami.
As long as we get a vote before Hazoupilot just spills the fucking beans or goes off to confront Ami alone like he did when Oro showed up. I think we can handle it by playing dumb, and throwing up roadblocks in Ami's way.
If she presses, we can try to enlist Kei's support. But I think we should try a hands-off approach for now, it has every chance of working for a while. Unless the QMs decide that Ami will immediately press the issue.
Every day gained by delaying us good for us. I just don't see the usefulness of immediately confronting Ami. If we take concrete steps to win the confrontation first, sure. But I can't imagine what those would be. Unless it's getting Kei on board, which we could do just as well when Ami confronts Hazou.
For raising the earlier promise to Ami about FOOM. What was the minimum set of additional information in EJs post that was not in mine, that was sufficient to change the minds of people that withholding FOOM was a bad idea? If they hadn't already changed their minds from just my post.
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Well,
- It's another party plan
- The plan was written by the same player
- And the Update will be written by the same GM
@Shrooms , 10/10 science plan.
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Chapter 377. She understands that we are sharing Shadow Clone training and she expects the constraints to be pretty dang reasonable - I don't think that clan membership would qualify, nor, frankly, do I want to adopt Ami. (I don't think it would be politically feasible either, as then the entire KEI counsel would be clan, which won't go over well. I expect Ami to be adopted by the Kei.) A big reason that she's come to Leaf is to get SC - enough that if we tried to stop her I think she'd be pissed and I wouldn't disagree with her. Relevant quotes:
You missed the post.
I think that you're the one who might not be understanding what I wrote.
The intention of the list I posted was to provide some examples of things we might ask for if we get radio working and if we decide it's smart to sell to the Tower. Both of those things are a long way away. Obviously, prior to actually asking, we'd sanity-check and optimize those asks with the clan.
A big part of effectively generating solutions - I don't mean in the context of MfD, I mean tried-and-tested methodologies - is first coming up with a whole bunch of ideas without self-censoring based on things like plausibility or reasonability and then narrowing down once you've explored everything. That's what I'm trying to do here and I don't appreciate the inbuilt assumption that doing so means that I've taken leave of my senses.
For what it's worth, I actually think that saying, 'this is a Goketsu clan secret we are willing to use for the good of the village but it has to remain at least somewhat in our hands' is a pretty reasonable ask in exchange for world-changing technology. No one's asking the Nara to teach everyone Shadow Possession, despite the huge benefit that would have to the village at large. Just because our secrets happen to be seals and therefore easier to share, we're expected to give it up entirely? The Akimichi aren't expected to share the recipe for their extra-special soldier pills with everyone, but they do share the pills, even if they're a little choosy with it.
No. Like I said, IMO, clear communication in this instance means both being clear about the facts (putting promise in scare quotes is disqualifying there) and a tone proportional to the threat (i.e., if someone is in a burning building you yell and scream at them instead of tapping them on the shoulder and mumbling about the fact that maybe they want to leave because something bad might happen soon).
If we get very good at ES, combined with MEW and storage scrolls, we could probably develop Party no Jutsu, in which Hazo creates everything you need to have a pretty good party (furniture, food, decorations, drinks, games) in a sudden cloud of smoke.
Given that socialization is a big part of being a clan head and that so much of our intelligence seems to come from board game nights etc., this might be worth exploring.
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give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, give Hana an eldrich sword and she will gut Mari in a non-euclidean way
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You're right, wasn't meant to be so insulting. I do apologize for that.
But trying to keep this "In-House" while also making us the sole operators is different than us being the only ones to be allowed to sell and maybe teach their function for them.
Your point about the pills is mostly true, but that doesn't keep the pills away from people (and you don't need an ninja to give it to them, like an Akimichi medic/doctor "needing" to adjust your dosage) and the Nara for example are important for the bureaucracy and the new Library:
But all those services can be used by anyone, trying to keep this for us the way you suggested gives Asuma more reason to "allow" it being stolen. If we were to create something like the pills and the Akimichi where to accuse us of stealing them, then Asuma would likely want to give them the benefit of the doubt over us.
And It was a pretty big deal that Kagome/Goketsu had all of Jiraiya's spy notes (mostly because the whole intelligence service was gone, but it would have been a big deal anyway). Being the sole communication clan gives us as a lot of power over the whole village.
So we try to keep stuff to ourselves that way, Asuma will just look the other way if they get "stolen".
For all we know the Yamanaka might simply be lying about their ninjutsu only working with their "bloodline" or something, so they can simply avoid the whole question. And seals are easier to steal than ninjutsu, and don't need as much training.
Leaf still has an independent Intelligence system that works without them.
Maybe we could convince Asuma that we need more sealmasters than anyone else, giving us a lot more adoption slot on top of the "normal" adoption slots we could ask fo, that would make us a pillar of Leaf without actually holding a whole part of the infrastructure "hostage".
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Well we are discussing giving confirmed Incredible power ups to someone who has threatened to murder Mari much more recently who we don't have a good emotional connection to
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