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Kei does not consider this a viable means of attack. Which are the Pangolins more likely to discard if pressed, the Condor occupation or the polite fiction?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Dammit, why'd you have to test things off screen? It's not even in an Informational.
And fine, you win this time ej.
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Except we know that some summon bosses are totally willing to go on missions?
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Will get back to you.
You do.
Not to be a nooge, but this was consistent so I thought I should mention it: it's spelled Jiraiya.
Deathworld populated by ninja who have world wars on the regular...?
I have a feeling that is not what happened but can't be sure. Could you link to what you're referencing?
Arikada, probably? Could you link to where you saw this?
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Macerators produce a forward velocity without a corresponding backward force, in the same inertial reference frame as the seal. They produce velocities up to 20 m/s, and being basically just looser storage scrolls, they should have ~200 uses for a 100 kg weight. If you release the macerator into a container that is attached to the seal, this forward momentum will accelerate the container and seal. You can then re-store the weight.
Because this is velocity added to an inertial reference frame, it produces a constant acceleration, and it's rate limited only by how fast you can do this process. You can swap out the storage seals whenever to extend this process. Energy goes to the square of velocity; ten storage seals gives 10 · 200 · 20m/s ~ 20,000 m/s, and for a 100 kg mass that's 20 GJ, or 200 GJ if you release all the scrolls before impact, or cubically higher energies if you used linearly more seals. You'd need to make a macerator that automatically turned on and off on a timer, and you'd need to fly to space to accelerate as high as you wanted, but those are engineering challenges, the physics should work.
I initially proposed this as a means of powered flight for transport purposes, where you'd never go all that fast because of the human luggage and air resistance and gravity losses due to finite accelerations, likely capping around the low mach numbers. You'd do this to start because you can use standard macerators not on a timer, and don't need an automated way to swap between seals, utilizing the human on board to store, release, and replace. I was alone in thinking this was clearly an amazing idea. People preferred kites.
This isn't remotely the most efficient method. You don't actually even need macerators; you can do this much better with normal storage seals and an oscillating machine, pushed to much higher output velocities. Macerators are just the easiest and least engineering intensive method.
My point is that it doesn't matter. If the calculator says 700 m/s with a rounded front, and actually it's way closer to mach 1, like 420 m/s, it still doesn't really matter. You're not losing that much effectiveness, because you're not actually going to do this from 12km high, and air friction is only going to steal a little bit of the total energy.
Thoughts like this will only lead to lame outcomes.
But seriously, kinetic weapons and SINs aren't WMDs, even if SINs had the potential to be, and while Elemental Mastery could be, there's a good reason I'm harping on about keeping it super secret and under Akane's jurisdiction. Threatening Rock into surrender with a WMD because they're too dumb not to murder their way into a victorless war is a great way to actually save lives, if we can do that.
Akatsuki rolling in their undead graves rn.
You don't have to hang it on your wall.
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This line talking about how bosses wouldn't be willing to go but only talks about bosses that we can't summon regardless because Kei and Noburi don't have the chakra reserves
We know for a fact that Manda is willing to fight in less important raids as we saw in the assault on the sealing research base
Based on this we can assume that Tsunade probably has a deep enough relationship to summon Katsuyu. We know Enma is willing to just hang out with Asuma so would expect him to be available for the assault. But three S-rank level combatants plus 400 additional combatants should be able to inflict severe losses on Rock while exposing Leaf to very few losses
The risk to a direct attack on Leaf is mitigated by the fact that Mist has agreed to commit to the war.
We gave Asuma all the tools he needs to take down Rock. He is choosing not to use them. The most likely reason is that his more conservative advisors have convinced him that destroying Rock as a major military power would upset the balance of power in the elemental nations. So any other plans that we give him that are based around destroying Rock in that way are most likely going to not be enacted
Plus we are winning now. The summon rush is an incredibly OP strategy. Asuma can slowly hit any target that's softer than Rock itself without taking major casualties. Mist is helping and Cloud was routed so the war won't be expanding into new a front. It's pretty much all over. Rock fucked around and found out already
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The Summon Bosses we could use(theoretically, as far as Chakra in concerned), in particular are:
-Enma(Probably willing to help)
-Slug Boss(Unknown)
-Manda(He required payment, but he's also extremely arrogant, he could possibly be convinced)
-Conjura(A commitment from Leaf in helping the freedom of the Condors would probably do the trick)
-Porcupine Boss(Unknown)
-Enma(Probably willing to help)
-Slug Boss(Unknown)
-Manda(He required payment, but he's also extremely arrogant, he could possibly be convinced)
-Conjura(A commitment from Leaf in helping the freedom of the Condors would probably do the trick)
-Porcupine Boss(Unknown)
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I don't care about destroying Rock as a power, but I care about the more limited objective of making Rock surrenders so that Akane and co don't get Jounin.
Of course, destroying Rock as a power might lead to less Jounin, or might lead to even more Jounin...and more chance of death.
E: Also, pretty sure that Asuma would use boss summons, but he thought that none of the boss summons would be convinced to work for Leaf.
Of course, destroying Rock as a power might lead to less Jounin, or might lead to even more Jounin...and more chance of death.
E: Also, pretty sure that Asuma would use boss summons, but he thought that none of the boss summons would be convinced to work for Leaf.
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You have an idiosyncratic understanding of that scene.
'assume' ?
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Is joke, dw.
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I don't get what you mean by that? I guess I could be entirely off base with my assumptions and Asuma is desperately waiting for us to deliver a way to destroy Hidden Rock. If I am no big deal though?
You might have missed the relevant post, but SIN-6s have caused sealing failures. There might be a threshold beneath which SINs aren't dangerous, but if so, it's not much of a weapon compared to regular implosion seals. Certainly nothing like a WMD. I don't see the point of repeatedly risking seal failure to pinpoint the safe threshold, it's extraordinarily risky and there's not much benefit.I keep saying this but the paranoia train keeps on screaming
I don't see the problem, although the air storage radius is something like 20m, so you'd need a massive object. What's the point of doing this?
No you can't re-store the weight, storage seal variants only work on discrete objects and macerators shred the objects stored inside. You need a new 100 kg object each time. Also the particle velocities aren't all 20 m/s. That's the maximum, I'd expect them to cluster much lower.
This whole idea hinges on that assumption, I don't think it's ever going to work. You'd be better off inventing a seal that just applies a linear force when activated. That seems vastly easier than ever getting a working prototype based on this idea.
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Macerators shred things weaker than the shearing force, which for v2 is strong enough for granite but about three orders of magnitude too weak to meaningfully damage a steel ball. Even if this didn't work, I already mentioned you don't need to use macerators, they just make it easier. The construction needed for a mechanical variant using storage seals is fundamentally extremely simple; the difficulty would be getting Hazō to invent it.
And to be clear, the key advantages of my idea versus things like 'invent a seal that just does what you want' are 1) we could go and build a manual prototype with macerators tomorrow, if we wanted, it's literally just a strong box attached to a sled, and 2) it's a strong baseline, with a bigger, repeatable momentum add than we're likely to get from other methods.
That said, if you think inventing a linear force seal that would give supersonic flight would be easier, do it. I'm serious. If you prove me wrong, good, we'd have supersonic flight, and I wouldn't even be mad.
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Whoops.
Missed this, but unless its been retconned the Macerators have a gradient IIRC. You can set the v2 ones to minimal shear. This has been mentioned onscreen ("Salad chop setting" has been used before).
I suggest we add a cartography component to the Otter scroll mission. It shouldn't be too much work for the team to meander a bit and document some for future missions, if it ever becomes available.
Also, it's a good idea to talk to the merchant council about spidersilks. Why? Spider silks are now militarily important goods, and the more the merchant is able to sell or trade spider silk at quantities, the cheaper the cost of the fabric. It is also a good idea for Hazo to sharpen his social silks.
Who knows? We may be able to dye spider silks and sell it back to the Spiders.
Also, it's a good idea to talk to the merchant council about spidersilks. Why? Spider silks are now militarily important goods, and the more the merchant is able to sell or trade spider silk at quantities, the cheaper the cost of the fabric. It is also a good idea for Hazo to sharpen his social silks.
Who knows? We may be able to dye spider silks and sell it back to the Spiders.
I don't think supersonic flight would be that useful in the context of the quest, it's not going to accomplish our goals. The world of MfD is quite small. We don't need it to get from point A to point B. It would be cool, but ultimately better weapons or communications would be more useful IMO.
I don't think the minimal shear setting is going to produce the 20 m/s ejection velocity. Salad chop setting is essentially just dialing down the storage stress, and the storage stress is what gives it the ejection speed.
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Supersonic flight kinda is a weapon
You can't aim it, we don't have computerized guidance systems. Same problem with dropping rocks, they just don't hit anything.Supersonic flight kinda is a weapon
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I am willing to support whatever sealing project is the coolest after we finish STARS. Which we should be working on the next step right now