Adhoc vote count started by _The_Bomb on Dec 25, 2021 at 11:14 PM, finished with 15 posts and 2 votes.

  • [X] Set up transfinite nukes to Radvic's satisfaction, then invite Snowflake to watch the carnage when we detonate them.


Can we please not actually vote for meme plans?

Just put an "χ" or an "Χ" in instead. The Greek symbols are nearly indistinguishable but won't actually get counted.
A) Good advice, because meme votes can be disastrous
B) ...although since we generally start the vote tally from the most recent update, these votes aren't going to be seen when my update drops tomorrow and we start from there for the Wednesday tally.
 
Work in Progress (typing from phone)

[ ] Action Plan: Jutsu Trade
  • With Uplift, discuss jutsu trade
    • Are there any jutsu they want in particular?
    • Explain Asuma's stipulations. What's counts as Gōketsu jutsu? Mari's jutsu?
    • The Dogs want medical techniques but Asuma won't trade them. Tsunade would leap at the chance. How can we get her help without pissing Asuma off?
  • With Cannai
    • Sanity check everything with Team Uplift
    • Explain war status and danger to our family. Specifically explain how our mate was nearly killed.
    • Ask if we can start looking for compatible jutsu now so we can make the exchanges as soon as we get authorization
    • If Team Uplift believes there are things we can offer now, do so.
    • Ask what dog jutsu Kakashi used "to great effect." Knowing this could help us convince Asuma regarding authorizations.
    • Explain these jutsu would be Gōketsu exclusive. Also explain concept of clan secrets and the adoption process.
    • Deal completely in good faith.
  • Offscreen, perform regular obligations.
I have many thoughts and no spoons with which to organize them.

Asuma seemed concerned that Kakashi never used Dog Jutsu, despite the fact that we have confirmation Kakashi used a number of dog Jutsu to great effect. If we can acquire the names/descriptions/training for those Jutsu, we will have a proof of concept translation with which to entice Asuma. Once he sees it is possible, we can request the trading of medical ninjutsu for dog Jutsu that all of Leaf can use. Asuma will be more willing to make that trade if it is not just the dogs and Goketsu that benefit. We can also offer a similar deal to the Inuzuka. I think of it like Isan branch sealing. It's helpful to have different approaches in buffing dogs. It's possible that they will have Jutsu for each other, and we can negotiate for Hazō learning the stuff that is being passed along.

Giant caveat that we should not negotiate for Cannai without asking them first. A "Hey Alpha, I want to ask Asuma if he can authorize us teaching you and the rest of the Dog clan medical Jutsu. These are the things that Asuma might be interested in (low investment, high reward stuff. Jutsu that could deal with Rock's underground defenses, etc). Is this a trade you might be interested in pursuing? If so, do you want me to negotiate or do you want me to summon a specific dog to do so?"

Same with the Inuzuka. We have no authority to begin making these negotiations. We need to learn the lesson Cannai is teaching us. Know our place. Let the alpha make the decisions that affect the clan.
 
It's been a while since I thought about this, but earlier tonight I was reminded that we have a wiki. It was started by the inimitable @Kiba and I believe he did the bulk of the work on it. It's impressively detailed and wide-reaching, and I encourage everyone to take a look.
 
Adhoc vote count started by _The_Bomb on Dec 25, 2021 at 11:14 PM, finished with 15 posts and 2 votes.

  • [X] Set up transfinite nukes to Radvic's satisfaction, then invite Snowflake to watch the carnage when we detonate them.


Can we please not actually vote for meme plans?

Just put an "χ" or an "Χ" in instead. The Greek symbols are nearly indistinguishable but won't actually get counted.
I 100% agree most of the time but it's a bit different when voting has explicitly been closed imo
 
Work in Progress (typing from phone)

[ ] Action Plan: Jutsu Trade
  • With Uplift, discuss jutsu trade
    • Are there any jutsu they want in particular?
    • Explain Asuma's stipulations. What's counts as Gōketsu jutsu? Mari's jutsu?
    • The Dogs want medical techniques but Asuma won't trade them. Tsunade would leap at the chance. How can we get her help without pissing Asuma off?
  • With Cannai
    • Sanity check everything with Team Uplift
    • Explain war status and danger to our family. Specifically explain how our mate was nearly killed.
    • Ask if we can start looking for compatible jutsu now so we can make the exchanges as soon as we get authorization
    • If Team Uplift believes there are things we can offer now, do so.
    • Ask what dog jutsu Kakashi used "to great effect." Knowing this could help us convince Asuma regarding authorizations.
    • Explain these jutsu would be Gōketsu exclusive. Also explain concept of clan secrets and the adoption process.
    • Deal completely in good faith.
  • Offscreen, perform regular obligations.

Why are you stipulating uplift instead of Goketsu? We do have other clanmates in the clan, and I see no reason to exclude them from this conversation, or from the new jutsu if they can use them. We don't want folks to feel like outsiders in their own clan, after all.

Also, can you include checking on the progress for the dog that adapting jutsu for us? I'd really like to see that wrapped up, I think it would be a very wholesome scene to give him casting ability again.
 
Asuma seemed concerned that Kakashi never used Dog Jutsu, despite the fact that we have confirmation Kakashi used a number of dog Jutsu to great effect. If we can acquire the names/descriptions/training for those Jutsu, we will have a proof of concept translation with which to entice Asuma
I already have that in there but I'll see if I can make it more clear in the next draft.
Once he sees it is possible, we can request the trading of medical ninjutsu for dog Jutsu that all of Leaf can use. Asuma will be more willing to make that trade if it is not just the dogs and Goketsu that benefit
Medical jutsu is something that I definitely want to focus on. I'm already talking to Noburi and Mari about that.

As for trading something for the Leaf public library, I feel we should try to see what we can get for the Gōketsu first. We should definitely explore the public options, but they're a lower priority because they don't benefit as much and they might be harder to acquire. If the only way we'll get something is through this method it'll be different, of course.
We can also offer a similar deal to the Inuzuka. I think of it like Isan branch sealing. It's helpful to have different approaches in buffing dogs. It's possible that they will have Jutsu for each other, and we can negotiate for Hazō learning the stuff that is being passed along.
The Inuzuka are a very interesting option but one we will have to explore carefully. Feel out Asuma. Feel out the Inuzuka. Feel out Cannai. Procede from there. The whole thing is going to take a while and will have to be done carefully. Frankly, I don't have the spoons to write it out right now. It doesn't seem like something that will happen before the war is over so I'd rather focus on this deal for the moment.

Ah, from the rest of the post I see you understand my concerns.

Why are you stipulating uplift instead of Goketsu? We do have other clanmates in the clan, and I see no reason to exclude them from this conversation, or from the new jutsu if they can use them. We don't want folks to feel like outsiders in their own clan, after all.
Ah, good point. The other clan members should absolutely get a chance to request jutsu. I'll fix that.
Also, can you include checking on the progress for the dog that adapting jutsu for us? I'd really like to see that wrapped up, I think it would be a very wholesome scene to give him casting ability again.
Great idea.
 
Just a friendly reminder that, when Jiraiya was Hokage, Ren tried to use the fact that Teenage-Mari killed her monstrous Uncle against Jiraiya as a political move. I have no sympathy for Ren, regarding the coup.
 
"Anyway, back on topic: I don't know of Kakashi ever using a Dog Clan jutsu. I suspect it's not possible to translate their jutsu to our use and vice versa. If you want to trade Gōketsu jutsu to them, that's your decision, but I'm not comfortable with Leaf's general military resources being used for it. If you can demonstrate that Dog jutsu can be adapted for human use then I'll consider potentially sharing some of the jutsu from the Leaf Private Library. Not until then. For now, don't read the Dogs in on our jutsu."

"Yes, sir. I'll note that I previously convinced Canun, one of their jutsu hackers, to start working on converting jutsu for use by Atomu, a Gōketsu ninja with missing fingers. I haven't actually checked on the details of that. I'm not sure if they're adapting a human jutsu that Atomu already knew so that it could be used without normal handseals, or if they're adopting a Dog jutsu that Canun already knew so that it could be used by someone without mobile ears, four legs, and a tail."

"That's fine. Again, you can share the Gōketsu jutsu if you want. Although you should probably be careful about sharing Pangolin jutsu to the Dogs. That could spark some problems."

Hazō nodded emphatically. "We've been being very careful about that, sir."
@eaglejarl @Velorien
I have some questions regarding this.

Cannai previously mentioned that Kakashi did in fact use Dog Clan jutsu "to good effect." Did Hazō forget that or did he deliberately not correct Asuma?

What exactly constitutes a Gōketsu jutsu? We know a lot of jutsu, some of which we learned from the library and many of which we learned before the library's creation but are most definitely located in there now. Are we forbidden from sharing any jutsu located in the library even if we had known it for a long time or we contributed it ourselves? Mari probably has plenty of jutsu that she didn't share and probably aren't in there now. Are we only forbidden from searching for new library jutsu to trade or from reading the dogs in on the library's overall catalog?
 
Just a friendly reminder that, when Jiraiya was Hokage, Ren tried to use the fact that Teenage-Mari killed her monstrous Uncle against Jiraiya as a political move. I have no sympathy for Ren, regarding the coup.

I mean, Mari pesudo- kidnapped her sister son and a lot of Mist kids(Practically putting him and them against certain death level odds) organized the murder of a lot of Jounins/Chuunin(Ren friends and comrades and became a missing-nin. If we want to go search for "Who was the biggest Hiashi", i don't think there is someone, anyone, worth sympathy, and Ren is almost certantly not in the last place. Akane aside, of course. She's Akane.
 
I mean, Mari pesudo- kidnapped her sister son and a lot of Mist kids(Practically putting him and them against certain death level odds) organized the murder of a lot of Jounins/Chuunin(Ren friends and comrades and became a missing-nin. If we want to go search for "Who was the biggest Hiashi", i don't think there is someone, anyone, worth sympathy, and Ren is almost certantly not in the last place. Akane aside, of course. She's Akane.
I want to remind you that Honoka exists as well.
(Also let's adopt her)
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien

I have some questions regarding this.

Cannai previously mentioned that Kakashi did in fact use Dog Clan jutsu "to good effect." Did Hazō forget that or did he deliberately not correct Asuma?
He forgot.

What exactly constitutes a Gōketsu jutsu? We know a lot of jutsu, some of which we learned from the library and many of which we learned before the library's creation but are most definitely located in there now. Are we forbidden from sharing any jutsu located in the library even if we had known it for a long time or we contributed it ourselves? Mari probably has plenty of jutsu that she didn't share and probably aren't in there now. Are we only forbidden from searching for new library jutsu to trade or from reading the dogs in on the library's overall catalog?
A Gōketsu ninjutsu is one known only to the clan, similarly to the ISC techniques. If you give it away, only the Gōketsu lose competitive advantage, and only the Gōketsu risk exposing their weaknesses. If you give away a library technique, then, rather than no longer belonging to the Gōketsu, it no longer belongs solely to Leaf.
 
A Gōketsu ninjutsu is one known only to the clan, similarly to the ISC techniques. If you give it away, only the Gōketsu lose competitive advantage, and only the Gōketsu risk exposing their weaknesses. If you give away a library technique, then, rather than no longer belonging to the Gōketsu, it no longer belongs solely to Leaf.

So we can sell EM and whatever Isan jutsu Yuno knows? Hehe suckers.
 
This would also make it much easier to date Snowflake, so I'm all for it.
How so?

He remembered that a dog ninjutsu expert was helping his clan mate (which was happening because the dogs had considerable experience adapting dog ninjutsu to humans) but not that the dogs had experience adapting dog ninjutsu for humans?
He forgot that they had adapted it for Kakashi, which was an illustrative detail rather than the thing he cared about.
 

He remembered that a dog ninjutsu expert was helping his clan mate (which was happening because the dogs had considerable experience adapting dog ninjutsu to humans) but not that the dogs had experience adapting dog ninjutsu for humans?

Hazou forgets many things.

Where was it?

Well, that is going to be embarassing.

ASUMA: So, why you didn't tell me this during the meeting?
HAZOU: QM@#s Sp@oons?
ASUMA: What was that?!
HAZOU:A warning from the Grue Sorry, i meant i forgot.

Now, let's not poke it too much, unless we want the Grue to eat the Dogs...or Asuma. :V
 
Isn't it strange how, after the Collapse, Leaf just never decided to appoint a new Kage?
AMI: Really, now?

Edit:

NARA: We're going to need to overhaul half the legal system.

INUZUKA: There's a gaping hole in our military doctrine. Get Tsunade, Naruto, and Orochimaru in here now.

HYŪGA: This changes the role of the Clan Council considerably. We need to strengthen the conservative bloc at once.

YAMANAKA: No wonder our foreign relations are such a mess. This is going to take some careful diplomacy.

GŌKETSU: Did you say the Monkey Scroll was up for grabs?
 
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