@eaglejarl @Velorien Does Hazou know or have an idea about how Akane felt about the child abuser (Ikenaga Daiju) who Hazou skull bashed? How did she feel about Hazou's actions and did she feel that teacher could have been redeemed?
 
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@eaglejarl @Velorien Does Hazou know or have an idea about how Akane felt about the child abuser who Hazou skull bashed? How did she feel about Hazou's actions and did she feel that teacher could have been redeemed?
She did not say anything about it, then or since. He does not remember her body language etc. at the time since it was 4 months ago and he had a lot on his mind.

The plans that have this issue [i.e. the spiders not being able to emplace and activate the HOWS seals] may be able to fix it by using LBF to activate the seals instead.
Note that only Hazō and Kumokōgō are allowed on top of the butte.

What does leveling up MEW allows Hazo to do again?
Create more stone, to start with. In the current context it would allow him to create specific shapes instead of simple rectangular prisms. For example, a 3D seal. Note that this does not guarantee that red granite (what MEW produces) is a valid choice for a 3D seal substrate.
 
PSA: Player comments requested for a proposed rules change.

We have been looking at the Frozen Skein bloodline, specifically its "The Best-Laid Plans" element. We aren't keen on it for a few reasons:
  • It divorces the bonus from the FS level
  • Every Mori gets the same bonus
  • It divorces the bonus from the level of the skill the FS bonus is being applied to.
We are considering replacing it with a new version that should be a buff and better reflect the intention of the technique. Our analysis follows. We would like player comment before finalizing the change -- did we miss any ridiculous exploits that would cause the setting to become inconsistent, is the technique not worth its costs, etc.

The current version that we are looking to replace:

The user may trade mental stress for bonus on a roll at a rate of +5 per stress, up to the limit that can be absorbed by their stress track and available Consequences. The maluses from Mental Consequences do not affect them until after the scene ends. Regardless of how large a bonus they gained, after the scene ends the user takes 6 mental stress.

The new version we are considering replacing it with:

Starting next round, the user receives a (Frozen Skein AB) bonus to initiative.

The user receives the "Flicker of Omniscience" Aspect. Each round, they receive 2x(Frozen Skein AB) tags on it. They may use up to 2+(FS AB) tags on any given roll. Any number of tags may be passed to any teammate(s) with whom the user can communicate (but they are limited to using at most 1 of these tags per roll and the tags expire at end of round as normal).

The user takes 2 mental stress per round. They do not take mental stress from any other source, nor suffer from mental Consequence penalties. However, the technique cannot be manually terminated. The user will continue to take mental stress until they are Taken Out.

Once the scene ends the user must make a (Frozen Skein vs TN) roll, with the TN to be decided at the time based on QM fiat. If they succeed then they will wake up in an appropriate amount of time, typically days or weeks. After waking up they will have a permanent Severe consequence. If they fail the roll then they remain in a coma for an indefinite period. There are two Mori currently being cared for in the Garden of the Lost who have been there for decades.


The analysis:

Evaluating some possibilities of what Keiko (Ranged Weapons 40 (AB 5), Athletics 50 (AB 6)) could do with this. She is currently at FS level 30 but we've included lower levels as well to show what a Mori with an equal martial focus but less investment in the bloodline would be like.

  • Level 1 in FS (1 XP): User gets +1 to initiative and 1 tag. This gives +5 to one attack roll or +6 to one dodge roll. Can pass the tag to someone else.
  • Level 10 (55 XP): +2 to initiative, 4 tags. Can use all the tags on one roll, potentially giving +20 to hit or +24 to dodge. Can also pass the tags to others, giving the entire party a bonus.
  • Level 20 (210 XP): +3 initiative, 6 tags. Can use 5 of them on one roll for +25 to hit (meaning she's rolling jōnin numbers before any other bonus) or +30 to dodge (Kage-level dodging).
  • Level 30 (465 XP): +4 initiative, 8 tags. Can use 6 of them on one roll for overwhelming numbers. (+30 to hit = 70, +36 to dodge = 86)
Ranged Weapons 40 + FS 30 costs 820+465=1285 and allows you to roll 70 on your attack each round.

When leveled the normal way RW70 = 2485 XP, so the FS boost is very efficient.

Athletics 60 (a normal jōnin score) = 1830 XP, meaning it costs more than Keiko's RW+FS investment.

Under this model, Frozen Skein is a very efficient way to be able to generate one or two high-powered attacks. All else equal, with FS 30 she could get 70-60=10 = 4 shifts + kunai(weapon 1) + attached explosive (weapon 4) = 9 shifts against a jōnin. That's his entire track + Mild + Severe. Next round she can do the same thing again and tag both consequences for an additional 5+5= +10 on the roll, meaning an additional 4 shifts, meaning she explodes him into goo.

She can sustain 3+2+3+4= 12 mental stress before being Taken Out so she can do the above sequence for 6 rounds. She can also save her rolls for dodging, allowing her to dodge the low end of Kage-level attacks while (e.g.) spreading goo bombs around the battlefield in order to generate tags for other people to use.
 
We should definitely level up MEW then. Complex shapes in general seem like the sort of thing we could get creative with. If we can create a new great seal with it, amazing. If not, still let's us tackle the problem better, isn't a great waste, and ups our earth threshold for eventual PEA. When we get to it. After taijutsu. After calligraphy. After SC. After resolve.
... What was I saying?

Also, I understand the "everyone holds Hazou to an unfair standard" thing. Certainly, half the family screws to more, frequently. But just remember these are also the people that, when hearing we were going to be killed for treason that we absolutely did do, put time and effort into not only saving us, but also continuing to trust us to be in charge. It's a problem. But there is isn't always by any stretch.

Note that only Hazō and Kumokōgō are allowed on top of the butte.

Well now. So do we activate them in advance? Or risk one of us up there? What's the risk activating in advance I wonder?
 
Create more stone, to start with. In the current context it would allow him to create specific shapes instead of simple rectangular prisms. For example, a 3D seal. Note that this does not guarantee that red granite (what MEW produces) is a valid choice for a 3D seal substrate.

If we learn variants of MEW, do we bonus or have to restart all over?
 
PSA: Player comments requested for a proposed rules change.

We have been looking at the Frozen Skein bloodline, specifically its "The Best-Laid Plans" element. We aren't keen on it for a few reasons:
  • It divorces the bonus from the FS level
  • Every Mori gets the same bonus
  • It divorces the bonus from the level of the skill the FS bonus is being applied to.
We are considering replacing it with a new version that should be a buff and better reflect the intention of the technique. Our analysis follows. We would like player comment before finalizing the change -- did we miss any ridiculous exploits that would cause the setting to become inconsistent, is the technique not worth its costs, etc.

The current version that we are looking to replace:
The user may trade mental stress for bonus on a roll at a rate of +5 per stress, up to the limit that can be absorbed by their stress track and available Consequences. The maluses from Mental Consequences do not affect them until after the scene ends. Regardless of how large a bonus they gained, after the scene ends the user takes 6 mental stress.

The new version we are considering replacing it with:
Starting next round, the user receives a (Frozen Skein AB) bonus to initiative.
The user receives the "Flicker of Omniscience" Aspect. Each round, they receive 2x(Frozen Skein AB) tags on it. They may use up to 2+(FS AB) tags on any given roll. Any number of tags may be passed to any teammate(s) with whom the user can communicate (but they are limited to using at most 1 of these tags per roll and the tags expire at end of round as normal).
The user takes 2 mental stress per round. They do not take mental stress from any other source, nor suffer from mental Consequence penalties. However, the technique cannot be manually terminated. The user will continue to take mental stress until they are Taken Out.
Once the scene ends the user must make a (Frozen Skein vs TN) roll, with the TN to be decided at the time based on QM fiat. If they succeed then they will wake up in an appropriate amount of time, typically days or weeks. After waking up they will have a permanent Severe consequence. If they fail the roll then they remain in a coma for an indefinite period. There are two Mori currently being cared for in the Garden of the Lost who have been there for decades.

The analysis:

Evaluating some possibilities of what Keiko (Ranged Weapons 40 (AB 5), Athletics 50 (AB 6)) could do with this. She is currently at FS level 30 but we've included lower levels as well to show what a Mori with an equal martial focus but less investment in the bloodline would be like.

  • Level 1 in FS (1 XP): User gets +1 to initiative and 1 tag. This gives +5 to one attack roll or +6 to one dodge roll. Can pass the tag to someone else.
  • Level 10 (55 XP): +2 to initiative, 4 tags. Can use all the tags on one roll, potentially giving +20 to hit or +24 to dodge. Can also pass the tags to others, giving the entire party a bonus.
  • Level 20 (210 XP): +3 initiative, 6 tags. Can use 5 of them on one roll for +25 to hit (meaning she's rolling jōnin numbers before any other bonus) or +30 to dodge (Kage-level dodging).
  • Level 30 (465 XP): +4 initiative, 8 tags. Can use 6 of them on one roll for overwhelming numbers. (+30 to hit = 70, +36 to dodge = 86)
Ranged Weapons 40 + FS 30 costs 820+465=1285 and allows you to roll 70 on your attack each round.

When leveled the normal way RW70 = 2485 XP, so the FS boost is very efficient.

Athletics 60 (a normal jōnin score) = 1830 XP, meaning it costs more than Keiko's RW+FS investment.

Under this model, Frozen Skein is a very efficient way to be able to generate one or two high-powered attacks. All else equal, with FS 30 she could get 70-60=10 = 4 shifts + kunai(weapon 1) + attached explosive (weapon 4) = 9 shifts against a jōnin. That's his entire track + Mild + Severe. Next round she can do the same thing again and tag both consequences for an additional 5+5= +10 on the roll, meaning an additional 4 shifts, meaning she explodes him into goo.

She can sustain 3+2+3+4= 12 mental stress before being Taken Out so she can do the above sequence for 6 rounds. She can also save her rolls for dodging, allowing her to dodge the low end of Kage-level attacks while (e.g.) spreading goo bombs around the battlefield in order to generate tags for other people to use.
"Thank you for your concern. Using the Frozen Skein in combat is possible, and it can be extremely effective. It carries enormous risks, however. My aunt Noriko fought from within the ice for years without being frozen. Then, one day, her team leader wanted to show off a flashy new lightning technique he had learned. He led the squad into an ambush. Aunt Noriko breathed the ice deep inside herself in order to prevent the utter destruction of her entire squad. When we left for Noodle the most knowledgeable of our elders were working to bring her back; there was a fifty-fifty chance that they would succeed.
I don't know how powerful Noriko is, but if she was able to use the Frozen Skein in combat for years (and so accumulate multiple Severe Consequences)...I don't even think the rules allow for multiple Severe Consequence slots.
 
Once the scene ends the user must make a (Frozen Skein vs TN) roll, with the TN to be decided at the time based on QM fiat. If they succeed then they will wake up in an appropriate amount of time, typically days or weeks. After waking up they will have a permanent Severe consequence. If they fail the roll then they remain in a coma for an indefinite period. There are two Mori currently being cared for in the Garden of the Lost who have been there for decades.
Would you be willing to ballpark a few situations and their respective TN's?
 
This needs a serious edit pass, though I'm not exceptionally keen to lose meaning for XP for a one-day plan. I'm not actually sure if this format can work for the plan, and if it wins and @eaglejarl hates me, it'll be deserved. I kind of know what I want to happen in the update, but I don't know how a description of that should look in elegant plan form.

[X] Action Plan: Out of Character?
Word count: 529

Clear your schedule for the day and go on a trip to Bakuchioka
  • It's time to reflect on what you want, and what Uplift means to *you*
  • Step back from your current problems, and just think
    • You're not here to beat yourself up over past mistakes or punish yourself with old guilt. You're here to try and see clearly the path ahead of you
  • What Akane said is important, but your judgement and understanding of Uplift need not exactly mirror hers. If you simply apologize without confronting the crux of the problem, this *will* happen again, eventually.
Think about Uplift, and what it means to you
  • The idea came about from helping remote villages with your basic ninjutsu, seeing how much of a difference it made. But was that really about helping individuals, or about making the world itself more just and efficient?
  • You framed Uplift during your speech at the exams as a way of saving civilization by increasing population numbers. Do you really believe this, or is it simply a convenient rhetorical device? Is it progress you are after, or a utopia for the masses?
  • You always had this... contradiction within you.
    • You want peace and prosperity, but you are most passionate about designing weapons.
    • You care for strangers and have welcomed many into the clan, but you also treat yourself and your family as resources to be effectively used.
    • You give out your power generously, yet also pursue it aggressively.
    • When Jiraiya named you heir, he said you had the ruthlessness to send people to their deaths. Do you?
  • The dead on the Sunset Racer are part of the price of getting Uplift to where it is. How much more are you willing to pay?
  • Why are the deaths of the yakuza Haru murdered *wrong*? Is Akane right, and it's the principle of valuing human life that matters? Or were they simply too steep a price, but would be acceptable in return for sufficient gain? Why did you go out of your way to save Daizen, a psychotic murderer, but barely spared a thought for them?
  • You saw dreams of the kinds of futures working with Orochimaru could cause. If this means you could defeat death, would it be worth it? What can you *not* justify, if it may lead to defeating death?
  • Your ledger may still be dripping red. But does it matter, if Uplift is accomplished as a result?
  • Is there a balance to be struck, between efficiency and humanity?
What does Uplift, and your role in it, mean to other people?
  • Keiko treats it as a moral philosophy, much like Akane. You were more comfortable tolerating genocide as the price of Uplift than she was.
  • For Akane, it's almost like a religion, similar to Youth. Does that make you her spiritual leader?
  • Noburi, Mari and Kagome are largely on board, though more practical about it.
  • Akane expects you to embody your ideals, as she understands them. Is that something you can do? Is it something you can *be*?
  • Who do you want to be? To yourself, to your family, to the world?
 
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Usually I'm fine with feedback but I'm not super excited by the idea of debating the optimal course of action for interpersonal relations this time. So if you have major concerns with the plan please just write your own that reflects what you're looking for bc I don't really feel like discussing it a whole lot

Wording advice is okay tho

[X] The Doomsday Clock Stops for No One
Word Count: 299
  • Ino
    • Hazou needs to vent so he can regain focus/better himself. Would you be okay listening?
    • Hazou agrees with Akane 100%
      • ...but he needs support most when he makes mistakes.
      • Lately it feels like everyone is closing doors in his face for his fuckups
        • But it always has to be him fixing interpersonal issues. Akane/Noburi steady the boat but when it's sinking everyone looks to Hazou like he can fix anything
          • He's no social spec/therapist. Asking for help this time just upset more people.
          • He's constantly putting out others' fires, but when he burns he feels met with scorn/disappointment. Everyone supports him when he's meeting their self-image of him but when he falls short it feels like it evaporates
    • Explain whatever else Hazou feels
    • Ami-style training: Try not to cry
  • Kumokogo
    • Bring HOWS, explain lifespan/how to tell if they need replacing.
    • Pitch Ami's Crusader idea. How could it be improved?
      • Condor Scouts are visiting to verify Dragons exist, on Enma's recommendation. Pardon us if that's rude.
    • Describe landmarks around Rock fort, verify it's the same island/lake Kumokogo described.
      • Rock would capture/kill Hazou. If Scroll is there, Hazou likely can't access it.
      • If they have it, why haven't they signed it? Hopefully they train a Sealmaster...
    • Manage research time expectations.
      • Any lore/history helps. How long have arachnids guarded it? Did Kumokogo see its creation/meet the Sage?
    • If plan to reach the Great Seal is the same as before, Hazou has Implosion Seals for kamikaze troops to wear.
      • Show proper respect.
      • Take time to teach seal activation.
      • How frequently can Great Seal be approached with this strategy?
      • Not expecting much, but Implosion seals could damage lungs if detonated near Dragons' chests.
    • Apply HOWS to Great Seal, ensure functionality, get out.

Take time to explain how humans activate seals. We don't know if spiders can activate seals.

Also, we shouldn't say treasonous things WRT rock. It's also a question that Kumokogo wouldn't be equipped to answer since it's likely she doesn't know what happened to the scroll after the owner died.

[X] Interlude: Akane's Sleepover with Ino
 
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This needs a serious edit pass, though I'm not exceptionally keen to lose meaning for XP for a one-day plan. I'm not actually sure if this format can work for the plan, and if it wins and @eaglejarl hates me, it'll be deserved. I kind of know what I want to happen in the update, but I don't know how a description of that should look in elegant plan form.

[X] Action Plan: Out of Character?
Word count: 529

Clear your schedule for the day and go on a trip to where you sunk the Sunset Racer
  • It's time to reflect on what you want, and what Uplift means to *you*
  • Step back from your current problems, and just think
    • You're not here to beat yourself up over past mistakes or punish yourself with old guilt. You're here to try and see clearly the path ahead of you
  • What Akane said is important, but your judgement and understanding of Uplift need not exactly mirror hers. If you simply apologize without confronting the crux of the problem, this *will* happen again, eventually.
Think about Uplift, and what it means to you
  • The idea came about from helping remote villages with your basic ninjutsu, seeing how much of a difference it made. But was that really about helping individuals, or about making the world itself more just and efficient?
  • You framed Uplift during your speech at the exams as a way of saving civilization by increasing population numbers. Do you really believe this, or is it simply a convenient rhetorical device? Is it progress you are after, or a utopia for the masses?
  • You always had this... contradiction within you.
    • You want peace and prosperity, but you are most passionate about designing weapons.
    • You care for strangers and have welcomed many into the clan, but you also treat yourself and your family as resources to be effectively used.
    • You give out your power generously, yet also pursue it aggressively.
    • When Jiraiya named you heir, he said you had the ruthlessness to send people to their deaths. Do you?
  • The dead on the Sunset Racer are part of the price of getting Uplift to where it is. How much more are you willing to pay?
  • Why are the deaths of the yakuza Haru murdered *wrong*? Is Akane right, and it's the principle of valuing human life that matters? Or were they simply too steep a price, but would be acceptable in return for sufficient gain? Why did you go out of your way to save Daizen, a psychotic murderer, but barely spared a thought for them.
  • You saw dreams of the kinds of futures working with Orochimaru could cause. If this means you could defeat death, would it be worth it? What can you *not* justify, if it may lead to defeating death?
  • Your ledger may still be dripping red. But does it matter, if Uplift is accomplished as a result?
  • Is there a balance to be struck, between efficiency and humanity?
What does Uplift, and your role in it, mean to other people?
  • Keiko treats it as a moral philosophy, much like Akane. You were more comfortable tolerating genocide as the price of Uplift than she was.
  • For Akane, it's almost like a religion, similar to Youth. Does that make you her spiritual leader?
  • Noburi, Mari and Kagome are largely on board, though more practical about it.
  • Akane expects you to embody your ideals, as she understands them. Is that something you can do? Is it something you can *be*?
  • Who do you want to be? To yourself, to your family, to the world?

I like the plan, but i would suggest changing the part when Hazou goes on a trip, Hazou has two medium and two severe and needed help to reach the rift side, i doubt he could reach the Sunset Racer, nevermind in a single day
 
Any ideas for a meaningful locale where we could go? I think it's important that Hazou go alone - anyone else will be an unnecessary distraction.
 
Clearly we should exile Haru from the clan to appeal to Akane...

And then make a new sub-clan for black ops/special ops and induct Haru into that. Like one of those cool movies.

"There is no place in the Gouketsu for one that kills civilians as you have..."

"But there is place in the Guketsou."
 
Clearly we should exile Haru from the clan to appeal to Akane...

And then make a new sub-clan for black ops/special ops and induct Haru into that. Like one of those cool movies.

"There is no place in the Gouketsu for one that kills civilians as you have..."

"But there is place in the Guketsou."
"Your first mission will be to destroy our hated rivals, Sand's Hagomoro Clan."
 
On another note, we should take the time to start a mandatory Uplift course for our civilians/recently adopted ninja. So, you know, this shit doesn't happen again (and also so we have something to present to Akane that shows we're serious).
 
On another note, we should take the time to start a mandatory Uplift course for our civilians/recently adopted ninja. So, you know, this shit doesn't happen again (and also so we have something to present to Akane that shows we're serious).
Maybe something along the lines of "work with Kagome to have Uplift taught in GED, and to the estate ninja?"
 
Maybe something along the lines of "work with Kagome to have Uplift taught in GED, and to the estate ninja?"
I'd work with Akane, as well. Kagome may be a good teacher but he isn't the greatest when it comes to Uplift philosophy. And it'd be good to have two people with slightly differing* opinions of Uplift taking the class, since some of the philosophy will be subjective.
 
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