@eaglejarl @Velorien

Now that hazou had summoning training. Does he agree with hiruzen? Or does he have some idea of what would happen?
Nobody has actually done this, because only sensible and/or highly-experienced (meaning risk-averse) ninja get taught summoning in the first place. However, Hazō assumes that either the technique would fizzle, or it would attempt to create a temporary body for no one in particular, using up all your chakra in the process (and thereby killing you).
 
What about...

Would this work?

Other clans are concerned because they are other clans. Promise that any benifit offered to the pangolins will be offered to any member of the trade network at the same price. They aren't concerned about absolute benefits, but are concerned about falling behind in relative benefits. Suddenly, Hazou's history becomes an asset rather than a liability.
 
This is truly a shameful turn out for maxing out the social-link with our Chaotic-neutral waifu.

Does nobody want true good end for mfd?!

The fundamental pretense of this quest is that it is based on the rules of reality, and that means that good things don't happen. Our choices are between variations of terrible.
 
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Is there precedent for establishing reparations/compensation for war crimes? The conflict is too big not to have the others' trust.
Can we put this in the Cannai section first? As he's less likely to execute us on the spot for admitting to introducing seals to the 7th path. If he isn't like "lol yeah everyone else will kill you for this" then we can tell Kumokugo.
 
As in, the storage seals *always* fail in a non-horrible manner when free space is available?
I'm looking for rulings that have been made about what happens when a storage seal fails in general. My recollection is that if there isn't free space for the object to emerge then best case is that the seal doesn't activate and that other options include the contents being lost and BaD ThiNGs happening.

Have there been any rulings on what happens when a storage seal fails and there *is* free space available?

Derp.

I thought you meant Legend of Korra.
So did I. I guess it was Legends of Kesmai? (So Google tells me, anyway.)
 
The fundamental pretense of this quest is that it is based on the rules of reality, and that means that good things don't happen. Our choices are between variations of terrible.
Why, Lailoken, I never took you for such a starry-eyed optimist. If good things don't happen, how will you ever get your hopes up so that reality can dash them?
 
Can we put this in the Cannai section first? As he's less likely to execute us on the spot for admitting to introducing seals to the 7th path. If he isn't like "lol yeah everyone else will kill you for this" then we can tell Kumokugo.
How does this look?
[X] Action Plan: Titles Are Hard, Sue Me
Word Count: Probably <300.

Sanity-check with Keiko & Akane.
  • Cannai
    • Nekkar seemed to imply the biggest threat wasn't the Dragons. Was she trolling or was there more to it?
    • Are there any further legends about the Eaters that could be shared with Hazou? Perhaps a weakness could be gleaned from them.
    • Is there precedent for establishing reparations/compensation for war crimes? The conflict is too big not to have the others' trust.
    • How quickly can Bosses travel outside of their own domain? If we do manage to get the others on board, how long would it take them to arrive for the fight? Or rather, how many days in advance would a strike need to be?
  • Kumokogo
    • Explain and give ETA on Harumitsu's Outstanding World-Saving Seal
    • (IFF we don't expect to be killed for doing so) Explain that recruiting the other Clans has hit a snag.
      • The Arachnids value honesty, be honest.
        • The Arachnids seem sufficiently isolated that they may not know Hazou's 7th Path history. Explain the Pangolin/Condor conflict and Hazou's role.
        • This caused clans to be suspicious of Hazou.
          • Is there precedent for establishing reparations/compensation for war crimes? The conflict is too big not to have the others' trust.
  • Enma: He was present during our debrief with Asuma (as Farwalker), could we work with him to convince the other Bosses that we're genuine?
 
The fundamental pretense of this quest is that it is based on the rules of reality, and that means that good things don't happen. Our choices are between variations of bad.
I mean, we are either the main villains or the secret final bosses. A good end for us is probably going to be disaster for every one else.

Still good for Hazou though.
 
Why, Lailoken, I never took you for such a starry-eyed optimist. If good things don't happen, how will you ever get your hopes up so that reality can dash them?

Reality is cordially invited to go fuck itself. I never asked to be yanked out of the comfortable void and thrust into this perverse farce we call "reality".
 
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It's better but in the Kumokugo situation I'd prefer wording like

  • If Cannai indicates it is possible without committing suicide, ask for precedent for establishing reparations/compensation for war crimes? The conflict is too big not to have the others' trust.
Also it'd be great if we could introduce the idea of implosion bombing the Dragons to Kumokugo, as she's our contact with the Hornet Clan so it would be great if you could add something like:
  • Tell Kumokugo about implosion seals and the possibility of using Hornets equipped with implosion seals in a suicide attack against the Dragons. Because of the nature of the seal, it has a good chance of being lethal or immediately incapacitating even through impenetrable scales. Be respectful and tactful. We would never ask something like this if the situation was not so dire.
EDIT: I realize this is wordy, so cut it down as necessary
 
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I hate to be pushy, but is it possible to put this in the plan? I would really like to get this moving.

Tell Kumokugo about implosion seals and the possibility of using Hornets equipped with implosion seals in a suicide attack against the Dragons. Because of the nature of the seal, it has a good chance of being lethal or immediately incapacitating even through impenetrable scales. Be respectful and tactful. We would never ask something like this if the situation was not so dire.

[X] Action Plan: Titles Are Hard, Sue Me
 
Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jun 5, 2021 at 1:19 PM, finished with 164 posts and 11 votes.

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Y'know? When a storage seal fails and doesn't dump its contents it's not like they disappear. They're still floating out there in a frozen bubble universe. That must have happened a great deal of times over the centuries. It shouldn't be too difficult to create a seal which links up to the most metaphysically close bubble universe and dumps them out.

I fully admit that this is just the urge to see Hazou's office door with a "Gon fishin'" card on it.
 
Ultrasonic fat burners don't melt anything, I don't expect that a bunch of sound energy would transform into thermal energy without serious losses. I think the proposed timescale is unbelievably optimistic. But even with a more realistic 1-10 seconds until serious damage, we still have to place the seal on the Dragon and then activate it, a difficult prospect.

Remember that Jiraiya didn't get farther than 175 dB, I am not confident of Hazou's ability to get even that far, especially with our terrible Calligraphy. Going even further would be extremely hard, since we won't have examples to work from.

We have a system that probably works better all ready to deploy right now. I don't this is worth the extremely significant time investment to develop the seal without testing implosion seals first. If we get nowhere with that, maybe we can try this.

Fat burners create cavitation, which kills the adipose cells by rupturing their membranes. As for sound to heat power, all forms of energy decay to heat with 100% efficiency. As the transmission losses are 1E-3, once it is on the meat, most of the power stays there, then goes to heat.

Let's say no seal research on this, so 175 dB, which is 5E4 W. Half of that, then take away 3 orders of magnitude from transmission losses, then halve it for the hemisphere, we have 25 W per seal. Now, plaster a 20 by 20 m wall with seals, which gives 3600 seals at 9 seals per m2. So 9E4 W. Then the parabolic dome reflector in front focuses that down to 1 m2 because it is not perfect, also maybe we lose 1 order of magnitude because of the geometry. That results in 9 kW/m2 of sound at focal point. From non-coherent sources, so a pretty broad spectrum will result. High frequencies for cavitation, low frequencies for blending, mids for dubstep.

Even without cavitation and organ bursting, the heat from this can get 2 Kg of water to boiling temp in one second. On humans, you only need to warm the heart a couple degrees to cause a heartstroke.

The power level near the seals should be survivable by normal nin, as long as they have hearing protection.

It also can be shot as many times as needed, unlike doing the same with implosion seals.

If the soundblerizer is destroyed by the dragons, the massive seal failure will be interesting, and maybe marks them for the Watchers.

Want more power? Layer banshees on top of each other.

Want directionality? Use a water ninjutsu to connect the focal point with the target (and a disposable ninja depending on jutsu).

Do not want to carve? Layer seals on even floor, use air dome as hemispherical lens (requires some testing). Air dome works as lens? Create invisible 3D soundblerizer maze.

Y'know? When a storage seal fails and doesn't dump its contents it's not like they disappear. They're still floating out there in a frozen bubble universe. That must have happened a great deal of times over the centuries. It shouldn't be too difficult to create a seal which links up to the most metaphysically close bubble universe and dumps them out.

I fully admit that this is just the urge to see Hazou's office door with a "Gon fishin'" card on it.
First thing that comes to mind is most of it must be from failed seal research, so expect a lot of berries and the occasional researcher to come out of it. Then this being MfD, obviously some of the local wildlife evolved to feed on these pockets. First on the food, then on the actual spatial anomalies. Working storage seals are not more metaphysically stable, their jagged 13-D edges make them difficult to feed on. Pity the pure world is (was) so smooth and chewy.
 
Let's say no seal research on this, so 175 dB, which is 5E4 W. Half of that, then take away 3 orders of magnitude from transmission losses, then halve it for the hemisphere, we have 25 W per seal. Now, plaster a 20 by 20 m wall with seals, which gives 3600 seals at 9 seals per m2. So 9E4 W. Then the parabolic dome reflector in front focuses that down to 1 m2 because it is not perfect, also maybe we lose 1 order of magnitude because of the geometry. That results in 9 kW/m2 of sound at focal point. From non-coherent sources, so a pretty broad spectrum will result. High frequencies for cavitation, low frequencies for blending, mids for dubstep.
We would need to research the 175 dB seal, Hazou only knows the 150 dB version. In addition, the 3600 seals for this takes approx 300 hours of scribe time. That's something like 3 months of full time work from Hazou, for a single experimental weapon emplacement that isn't mobile, trying to target something that can fly? This isn't remotely practical.
 
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So I was looking into how long Air Domes last and I came across this
Air Dome
  • As Earth Dome, including force needed to break it, except:
Earth Dome
  • Pair of seals placed in a plane with each other.
  • Forms a dome of chakra-construct granite with the two seals at opposite ends of its diameter, outside the dome. Can be any size up to 10m in diameter, or as small as 60cm (the dome is roughly 30cm thick, so this just produces a solid block of rock). Lasts roughly the same amount of time as chakra-construct MEWs.
PLAYERS - Known Jutsu said:
If this surface is the ground, the prisms produced by the technique are actual granite. Otherwise, the resulting constructs dissolve after about 30 seconds or when shattered.
So I thought Air Domes and chakra-construct MEW lasted about 20 minutes, is that an error in the rules-doc? Or was I just mistaken?
 
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We would need to research the 175 dB seal, Hazou only knows the 150 dB version. In addition, the 3600 seals for this takes approx 300 hours of scribe time. That's something like 3 months of full time work from Hazou, for a single experimental weapon emplacement that isn't mobile, trying to target something that can fly? This isn't remotely practical.
Ok, 150dB is 1000 W, so 0.5 W into flesh per seal, then do a 10x10 m wall which is 900 seals for 450 W in 9 days' of 8 hours work. Not as brutally destructive as before, will still cavitate, tenderize, and boil. About half as powerful as a consumer microwave, with 1E3 more noise for flavor.
The problem with explosions is that some materials are more able to withstand and reflect them than a comparable constant force, look at non-newtonian fluids (impact? whatever. bass? discombobulation) and hardened steel (about 3 to 10 times more resistant to explosions than a continuous pressure). As we are MfD Dragon huntin', I would prefer having as many different weapons as possible.
Also this "practicality" requirement is why we never get to actually reach uplift goals. Would be so much easier with thermobaric weapons in the mantle to lift the whole place up.

*whispering to the soundblerizer(tm)(c)(r) CAD drawings* Shhh, do not worry, the bad Stompy man and his practicality concerns cannot reach you here
*soundblerizer* MWREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
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