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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MMKII said:
KISHIMOTO: Uhhhh you see if Hazou gets Itachi's eyes he gets the uh,....


ME:???

KISHI: So like, he gets the double triple bossy deluxe, on a raft, four by four animal style, extra shingles with a...

ME: what the fuck

KISHI: ... shimmy and a squeeze, light axle grease, make it cry, burn it, and let it swim, SHARINGANERVE!!!!

ME: ok

KISHI: it lets him dodge things that havent happened yet and counterattack through time itself

ME: fuck dude isn't this series about ninjas?

KISHI: Ninjas do this here.

ME: ok


But in all seriousness it would be some crap like that.
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Shit man my thought was that Kishimoto would give endgame Hazo blast rings filled sealing nukes, but knowing Kishimoto this is probably way more realistic unfortunately.
 
xilios2000 said:
I've had a odd little brainworm recently that I thought I would share with everyone here.

The idea is basically, how would cannon Naruto change if Kishimoto wrote Hazo to be the series overarching main villain? How would Kishimoto write Hazo as the BBEG? (Hazo in this case would have the same character and character motivations, but also no doubt be given a couple dozen levels in baddass to make him a credible threat.)

The following is what I envision Cannon Naruto would probably be like if Kishimoto was forced to make Hazo the main villain of the series.

Hazo as a BBEG wouldn't even neccesarily need to be out of character, as we all know he would go ''Pretty damn far'' for his friends and family, so to turn him into a BBEG all Kishimoto would have to do is kill off all of his friends and family and have Hazo main goal then be to open up a permanent portal to the afterlife so he would NEVER lose them again.

With the neccesary fuel for the creation of this portal either being the tailed beasts or (and let me stress that Kishimoto would probably not be clever enough to think of this) Hazo takes a page out of the book of Father from
Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood and creates a sealing ritual that would suck out all the chakra of every living thing in a massive radius (Like maybe all of Fire country) this way when Hazo does his own version of shippuden's war arc, he actually has a good reason to antagonise all 5 great villages with his true goal for antagonising the 5 great villages into attacking him together is so he can have all of their forces be in range of the chakra SUCC ritual to fuel his afterlife portal.

Hazo in this version of Naruto would probably either be the same age as Naruto (as he is here in MFD) or Kishimoto would make him the masked man instead of Obito (As I'm not sure how Obito would fit into the story with Hazo being the main villain)

As a sidenote, Kishimoto's version of Keiko would in all due likelyhood not be gay as only Hirohiko Araki from JoJo's is ballsy enough to make a character like that be important (or at all for that matter) in shonen jump, and even he ended up being forced to give Anasui a impromptu sex change.

If Hazo stays the same age as Naruto then he would probably be introduced in the chunin exam arc, which would also neatly force Kishimoto to develop Yagura aka ninja Hitler more and not have him just be a massive waste of potential as a character. (Seeing as I'm pretty sure Yagura's age wasn't revealed in the wave arc, Kishimoto would also probably make him not be a literal child kage)

Hazo, Keiko and Noburi being bloodline users under Yagura's rule who are not dead would be justified by Yagura letting Hazo's parent (Hazo's would still end up dead the same way because Kishimoto is not allowed to change Hazo's character) immediate friend group (Noburi and Keiko in this case) live thanks to Hazo inventing the skywalker seal and thus being a massive asset as a sealmaster (Hazo in this case would essentialy be the equivelant of the Nazi's letting a jew that is very useful to them live ''For now'') with Hazo's loyalty being ensured by the fact Yagura has Hazo's mother as a hostage.

Hazo in this case would likely have the same (if not higher) level of ridiculous bullshit talent that Itachi and Kakashi have, but would have been held back from going to the chunin exams until now by Yagura because Yagura wanted Hazo to show up to this particular chunin exam because he knew Gaara and Naruto (and maybe Sasuke) were both going to show up to this chunin exams so he can then send in Hazo to kick both Naruto and Gaara's shit in during the chunin exam finals to humilitate both Suna and Konoha.

Alternatively Hazo has been sent to and outright won the last 5 chunin exams except everytime Yagura keeps coming up with some sort of increasingly flimsy excuse and the other 4 kage are getting real sick of his bullshit and probably starting to act real passively aggresive about it (Except for A he would just act regular aggresive)

Hazo and his team's first appearance would likely be at the same time as team Gaara's first appearance, with Hazo showing up both to scope out the ''competition'' (Naruto, Gaara and maybe Sasuke in this case) and also to unironically rescue Konohamaru from being manhandled by Kankuro because he is still the same Hazo we know and love character wise.

next we see Hazo is when Kabuto is handing out his infodump with his cue cards about all the examinees, with him talking up Hazo as really powerful while also mentioning that he is the famous inventer of the skywalker seals. (Because Kishimoto probably would either not realise that skywalkers would definitely be kept super topsecret or would realise and handwave that shit away so he can have a bunch of really cool fight scenes with Hazo messing around with his skywalker seals, this is afterall Mr. Kishi''I completely fucked up my series powerscaling so I could have cool Kajiu battles''moto)

Hazo might then confront team 7 in the forest of death during the exam's second phase resulting in team 7 fighting together against Hazo who is not at all taking them seriously, after a entire episode of Hazo essentially toying with team 7 they use some really clever shenanigans and manage to defeat Hazo! Only for it then to be revealed that they we're fighting a earth clone of Hazo the entire time. (This actually would be a pretty clever anime power flex move, so I might be giving Kishimoto to much credit to think he could come up with something like this.)

Hazo then lets them go because he still needs to humiliate them (Or more specifically Naruto and maybe Sasuke) in the actual chunin exam finals where there is a massive crowd to witness it as per Yagura's orders.

Team 7 then get jumped by Orochimaru which would probably go down the same way it did in cannon because Hazo didn't really hurt them.

the primilary tournament arc that has that really sick Rock Lee vs Gaara fight would come and go with Hazou winning against Ino, Noburi winning against Shino (hey that rhymes!) and Keiko winning against useless (sorry I meant Sakura)

The day of the Chunin exam finals then has the Konoha Crush happen which is the start of Hazo's descent into being the BBEG because for the Chunin exam finals Yagura allowed Hazo's mother Hana to come and watch, the Konoha crush the promptly occurs durring which Noburi, Keiko AND Hana are all caught in the crossfire and die. (Rest in peace!)

Hazo then immediatly betrays Kiri and skedaddles using skywalkers, while Yagura decides that the situation is FUBAR and fucks off back to Kiri until he is eventually killed offscreen by Mei like in cannon.

While Hazo spends some time being sad in the forest before deciding to go ahead with his afterlife portal plan that has him become the series BBEG.

Anyway that is roughly how I envision Kishimoto might handle Hazo's descent into being the BBEG of the series, I can't be bothered to figure out how the rest of the plot would play out, but it would probably involve shit like directional sealing nuke blast rings (to keep Hazo up to parity with the utter bullshit that is end of shippuden Naruto and Sasuke so Kishimoto can have his powerscaling ruining kajiu battles) and Hidden Heaven becoming a actual thing probably with built in super weapons to boot.

other things this might include are

-copious amounts of flashbacks of Noburi, Keiko and Hazo's mother Hana dying

-Hazo being somehow redeemed in the end and surviving into Boruto and becoming a movie producer (The joke here is that he shares a surname with legendary filmmaker Akira Kurosawa)

-Hazo being backstabbed at the 11th hour by black zetsu so Kaguya can show up


Anyway I'm vaguely curious what you guys would change about Naruto if Kishimoto was forced to make Hazo the main villain, as I probably put something super dumb in the text above and you're opinion might prove entertaining.
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I don't have confidence that Kishimoto couldn't make a character like Hazo work at gunpoint, we would end up with a quimera of nagato and orochimaru.
I think that if you change t hazo's darkest hour to shipuden, while he and his team had been working whit leaf in secret after defection in the churning exams and you have them in a couple of mission whit the main characters (also to include akane), for them to die before the attack of pain and thus not get resurrected so Hazo can obsesses whit bringing back the death as he know it can be accomplished. That way you can have him work whit obito, danzo or madsra to obtain the riegan for himself ( you can say is an incomplete version so he would have diferente power to pain so kishimoto can have his kaijus and its not just nagato all over again) and use the edo tensei to bring back team uplift to help him make a seal that would end death permanently so the world can be safe at last.

Also nuclear blast rings is something that we definitely need in MFD.
 
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Inferno Vulpix said:
A key part of Hazou's characterization in such a scenario, I feel, would be his combination of black-and-white IFF and his total willingness to cooperate with absolutely anybody to achieve his ends.

By default you're either a prospective or assumed ally who Hazou has to struggle to not instinctively share everything with, or a prospective or assumed obstacle who Hazou immediately start planning around. It's not quite so severe in actuality, but it leads to two dynamics of BBEG Hazou that would be interesting:
  • In the initial encounters with BBEG!Hazou, he's genuinely 100% earnest, open, and friendly with Naruto, because there's no bad blood between them. It could even be genuinely pulled off that Hazou seems like an ally of Naruto rather than a villain, because Hazou would be more than willing to help Naruto in many of his fights.
  • One of the things that might sour relations between the two of them, though, is Hazou willingly cooperating with Naruto's current enemies. He's the sort to collaborate with Akatsuki if it gets him the resources or knowledge he needs, which would send very mixed signals to Naruto, if Hazou's fighting alongside him one minute and helping Akatsuki the next.
  • Hazou wouldn't go full antagonist to Naruto without genuinely trying a dialogue with him, but if Naruto shows that his ambition and Hazou's ambition fundamentally disagree, then BBEG!Hazou would quite rapidly change attitudes to reflect the fact that Naruto is now an obstacle that must be dealt with.
I'm not quite sure it fits for Hazou to be making his afterlife portal specifically in response to the deaths of his teammates, though. It would much more befit Hazou to pursue necromancy as a matter of principle, because he is dead certain that a world in which people die and stay dead is fundamentally wrong, and giving him a personal trauma to incite that goal would make him look like he's just lashing out in response to the trauma, undermining his position and cheapening his goals.

Also worth noting is that if we're making Hazou the main villain, then we also have to create a long-form dynamic between him and Naruto, while also paying attention to the dynamic between Naruto and Sasuke. Hazou can't be Sasuke 2.0, doing the same sorts of things as Sasuke, which means it's more appropriate to lean into Hazou's genuine altruism and positive characteristics, so as to make him a foil to Naruto along a different axis than Sasuke. Ideally, Hazou would also be a foil to Sasuke along the same axis, so that BBEG!Hazou can serve as a unifying ideological point between Naruto and Sasuke, so that despite their differences they can join forces against Hazou in the last arc with the same motives and goals and such.

One of the main questions about BBEG!Hazou in general is why he'd even be the villain of the story, given how much we've crafted him to have genuinely good goals here in mfd. There are two broad routes to take here: either Kishimoto disagrees with Hazou's goals and writes them as bad, or Naruto agrees with Hazou's goals but, reasonably or unreasonably, comes into conflict with him despite that.

The second one is hard to pull off under the assumption that Hazou is generally willing to sit down and chat with Naruto about why he thinks his goals are good, especially since we all know Hazou's good at making speeches, but even if it happened anyways it would be lame for the final conflict against the series main villain to have the MC and BBEG agree with each other and just be fighting due to some petty misunderstanding or something.

So if we're looking for reasons why Kishimoto might genuinely disagree with Hazou's goals, unfortunately the main way that might happen is deathism, in which Hazou is pushing for immortality and resurrection for everyone and Naruto decides that's actually bad. The other main option I can see, though, is Hazou and Naruto agreeing in general but Hazou being more radical than Naruto:

Naruto wants the villages to live in peace. Hazou wants a one-world government uniting everyone so there's no-one else to war with in the first place. Naruto wants ninja to get along with each other. Hazou wants to abolish the idea of ninja entirely and replace it with something else. Hazou would be less wrong about his ideals and more a fundamental transgression against the nature of the Naruto setting, challenging the idea that the things Naruto's trying to protect are actually good in the first place.

Hazou's epic-scale plan might be to sacrifice the ninjas of the world to open a portal to the afterlife, simultaneously enacting his necromancy ideals and clearing the path to taking over the world and molding it in his image, but the core disagreement between Hazou and Naruto would be whether the world should remain a ninja world, or if it should cast that to the side and make something new.
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Okay, so I have a solid pitch:

It happens as @xilios2000 describes up til "Hazou goes to cry in the woods.", but then this happens:

So, in the timeskip immediately after part one, he gets stumbled upon by Jiraiya and Naruto in their travels. He joins up with them and learns some even more cool sealing shit from Jiraiya of this universe. He lowkey joins up with Leaf going into Part 2, under an alias.

(Hazou replaces Sai in this instance, because Sai is fucking milquetoast as a character concept.)

At some point in part 2, its revealed that the leaders of Akatsuki are Nagato, Konan, and Shinji (he's alive!). There is no Obito. Hazou gets explained the plan (which is actually reasonable) and decides to quit Leaf and join up with these guys because its way better than dealing with endless war bullshit nonsense that no one has an answer to besides "Friendship (maybe)!".

They are doing the MfD peace plan, but things more or less go as they did in canon. Everyone in Akatsuki nominally dies, Hazou and Sasuke and Snek!Kabuto are the only ones even really associated with the group left, and the latter is all like "Ok you can both get the god eyes transplanted because that sounds fun give me some cool science shit afterwards" and the two proceed to execute the bullshit ritual plan thing because they're tired of the Narutoverse being shit. Cue War Arc with everyone else vs. Hazou and Sasuke and related hangers on they manage to convince to join up.[1]

There are no space goblin tree ladies that show up, because while scaffolding this out we convince everyone to stop smoking a pound of weed before coming to writers room meetings.

[1] Kagome can come too.
 
MMKII said:
Okay, so I have a solid pitch:

It happens as @xilios2000 describes up til "Hazou goes to cry in the woods.", but then this happens:

So, in the timeskip immediately after part one, he gets stumbled upon by Jiraiya and Naruto in their travels. He joins up with them and learns some even more cool sealing shit from Jiraiya of this universe. He lowkey joins up with Leaf going into Part 2, under an alias.

(Hazou replaces Sai in this instance, because Sai is fucking milquetoast as a character concept.)

At some point in part 2, its revealed that the leaders of Akatsuki are Nagato, Konan, and Shinji (he's alive!). There is no Obito. Hazou gets explained the plan (which is actually reasonable) and decides to quit Leaf and join up with these guys because its way better than dealing with endless war bullshit nonsense that no one has an answer to besides "Friendship (maybe)!".

They are doing the MfD peace plan, but things more or less go as they did in canon. Everyone in Akatsuki nominally dies, Hazou and Sasuke and Snek!Kabuto are the only ones even really associated with the group left, and the latter is all like "Ok you can both get the god eyes transplanted because that sounds fun give me some cool science shit afterwards" and the two proceed to execute the bullshit ritual plan thing because they're tired of the Narutoverse being shit. Cue War Arc with everyone else vs. Hazou and Sasuke and related hangers on they manage to convince to join up.[1]

There are no space goblin tree ladies that show up, because while scaffolding this out we convince everyone to stop smoking a pound of weed before coming to writers room meetings.

[1] Kagome can come too.
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So does he fail and gets killed, succeeds in some minor way, fails but gets "redeemed" (if Sasuke "i will found a terrorist organization and attack the world leaders" Uchiha can have happy ever after so can team uplift.

[2] akane can come too
 
Eisenhelm said:
So does he fail and gets killed, succeeds in some minor way, fails but gets "redeemed" (if Sasuke "i will found a terrorist organization and attack the world leaders" Uchiha can have happy ever after so can team uplift.

[2] akane can come too
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Well, I think Naruto ultimately needs to win in this instance, its his series.

The problem is then one of shonen escalation: They both need to get taken out at a pivotal time by the greatest technique ever devised in setting.

Basically I'm saying Naruto needs to interrupt the ritual with Henge: Harem Technique [5] before punching them in the face really hard and being all "No we are teh friendz now."


[5] Everyone is older in this universe or something maybe so its less weird.
 
You know, if you'd put this much creative thought into The Adventures of Yukihana Kyōko, you would probably have received enough bonus XP to hit jōnin.
 
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If Hazou went Dark Side or became the BBEG, I think it would be because of Uplift. We've seen how Hazou has a habit of neglecting personal autonomy and ignoring agency, treating people more like pawns than people. Our-Hazou has worked hard to overcome this and had made great strides in his characterization, but another possibility is that BBEG-Hazou decides that humanity is a herd of lemmings and that they can't be trusted to choose their own good. So Hazou decides he'll force Uplift upon them, and that going the bloodless, diplomatic route that Our-Hazou is trying would simply take too long, and that he (BBEG-Hazou) has a moral responsibility to those who would die in the meantime to Push Uplift Through and do it ASAP.

I think that BBEG-Hazou's philosophy would be something akin to "if future generations call me a tyrant, they will at least be alive to have the luxury of doing so." This possibility is further compounded by the fact that Hazou (blessed/scarred/touched with stolen insight of the Out) is very aware of just how flimsy the Painted World's protections are. He is intimately familiar with the existential dangers of the Out.

All it would take is Akane being less vocal (she does crave social acceptance of her peers), or Mari being less benevolent. Noburi and Keiko wouldn't know how to reach through Hazou's obliviousness, and I think their arguments would end up much how Noburi's "isn't death natural" argument with Our-Hazou ("Return to me when you have actual arguments that I can't tear down with a moment's thought.")
Velorien said:
You know, if you'd put this much creative thought into The Adventures of Yukibana Kyōko, you would probably have received enough bonus XP to hit jōnin.
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I think this was before I was inducted into the hivemind... Was this Keiko's fanfic or something?
 
Velorien said:
This is the manga Hazō got her for her last birthday.
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Oh, nice, I remember that. I hadn't given thought to using wordspace to influence the shape/plot of the manga. Should we ever commission a sequel for Keiko's manga (or perhaps poetry from Yuri) would you, as the QM, prefer us to give more direction in the action plan itself ("a series of poems with the common theme of Uplift, of common unity with your fellow human being, and how the Will of Fire can blossom away from the well-kept Bonfire that is Leaf"), render it as a sort of Omake Bonus with us writing outlines (as we have above), or just handwave the details and show character reactions?
 
RandomOTP said:
If Hazou went Dark Side or became the BBEG, I think it would be because of Uplift. We've seen how Hazou has a habit of neglecting personal autonomy and ignoring agency, treating people more like pawns than people. Our-Hazou has worked hard to overcome this and had made great strides in his characterization, but another possibility is that BBEG-Hazou decides that humanity is a herd of lemmings and that they can't be trusted to choose their own good. So Hazou decides he'll force Uplift upon them, and that going the bloodless, diplomatic route that Our-Hazou is trying would simply take too long, and that he (BBEG-Hazou) has a moral responsibility to those who would die in the meantime to Push Uplift Through and do it ASAP.

I think that BBEG-Hazou's philosophy would be something akin to "if future generations call me a tyrant, they will at least be alive to have the luxury of doing so." This possibility is further compounded by the fact that Hazou (blessed/scarred/touched with stolen insight of the Out) is very aware of just how flimsy the Painted World's protections are. He is intimately familiar with the existential dangers of the Out.

All it would take is Akane being less vocal (she does crave social acceptance of her peers), or Mari being less benevolent. Noburi and Keiko wouldn't know how to reach through Hazou's obliviousness, and I think their arguments would end up much how Noburi's "isn't death natural" argument with Our-Hazou ("Return to me when you have actual arguments that I can't tear down with a moment's thought.")

I think this was before I was inducted into the hivemind... Was this Keiko's fanfic or something?
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Do keep in mind that in this specific scenario Hazo would be the main villain of CANNON Naruto and not the obviously superior MFD Naruto, so there wouldn't be any interesting out nonsense with the fact that the world's painted protections are flimsy unfortunately.

Also @Velorien

Am I correct in presuming that the OOC in-universe reason for reality being flimsy being the fact that reality is in actuality still under construction? IE. Stuff like the great rebalancing, removing Henge etc. The rules are still being changed, and new things are still being added and deleted by you @eaglejarl and @OliWhail who are both OOC and in-universe (although Hazo doesn't know that bit) the gods of this dimension (all along Jashin was secretly a giant space bird)

Also if we as the hivemind nudged Hazo into investigating what the deal was with ''The Thing'' and he manages to enter his own mindscape much like Naruto does in CANNON Naruto to talk to Kurama, would you guys have the in-universe truth behind the hivemind just be the existentially horrifiying OOC truth of the matter which would no doubt at bare minimum add 5 or 6 Thousand yard stare points?

Or would you create a in-universe explanation like for instance, Hazo has a second Kekkai Genkai that allows his subconscious to think outside of the boundaries of space and time and then send back a bunch of information for Hazo.

With the catch being that because of either past trauma or Hazo being unknowingly caught in the blast zone of a sealing failure that seemingly did nothing, his subconscious was shattered into pieces and the various members of the Hivemind represent different parts of his shattered subconscious psyche.

-Flaflec for instance would represent Hazo's memory which is why he remembers everything to the most minute detail, but he also represents Hazo's past trauma which would be the in-universe reason why Flaflec constantly screams when literally anything happens. Flaflec looking like a clown would probably stem from either a deeply repressed fear of clowns or maybe Hazo was once caught in the splash zone of a Jounin aura that felt like a horde of jeering clowns when he was a toddler or something.

-Radvic would represent things like Hazo's ability for logic and/or reason he would likely be to Hazo what Delta is to Alpha in Red Vs Blue although with absolutely none of his restraint, as that best fits with Radvic's tendency to make plans for weapons of mass destruction.

-OliWhail would be the in-universe reason for why Hazo was lucky enough to open the afterlife portal, as with his previous sealing failure he accidentally turned a piece of his shattered subconscious into a fucking god of all things which then decided to interfere on Hazo's behalf. Don't really know what OliWhail represented tho, I don't pay nearly enough attention to the to peoples comments outside of chapters for that sorry.

-One of the posters who is mostly a lurker put on occasion still posts would then represent Hazo suppresed philosophical side, because remember at the start of the quest it was said that Hazo constantly applied the socratic method of questioning absolutely everything while he was in the academy, and that the sole reason he wasn't made rookie of the year was because the mist academy instructors got really annoyed at him for questioning everything like he was ninja Socrates.

Anyway Hazo for the most (He sometimes still does tho) doesn't really go around questioning absolutely everything like he's Socrates anymore either because the mist academy instructors succeeded in beating it out of him or he's just too busy nowadays, causing the piece of his subconscious that represents his philosophical side to go mostly dormant.
 
If anyone is going to claim a piece of Hazou's psyche I'm going to claim his ability to continue existing sans Hope (The Desire to make the Ideal Real) or Rage (The Desire to make the Real Nonexistent), his self criticism, and some of the coldness inside of him.
 
The theme of shinobi duty vs emotion and camraderie certainly plays a major role in canon Naruto, as does the goal of conquering hatred. Hazou would make a lot of sense as a villain with a radical solution to this - destroying ninja culture completely. Naruto himself ultimately wants to work within the system, and the series ends with the status quo being improved, rather than destroyed. Hazou, on the other hand, could very reasonably believe that chakra is wasted on ninja, and want to create a glorious chakrapunk future instead, with the villages politically opposing the empowerment of civilians this would imply.

Of course, Kishimoto would never execute this well. He really bungled his original themes to begin with, despite starting really strong with the Wave arc.
 
Roomba said:
The theme of shinobi duty vs emotion and camraderie certainly plays a major role in canon Naruto, as does the goal of conquering hatred. Hazou would make a lot of sense as a villain with a radical solution to this - destroying ninja culture completely. Naruto himself ultimately wants to work within the system, and the series ends with the status quo being improved, rather than destroyed. Hazou, on the other hand, could very reasonably believe that chakra is wasted on ninja, and want to create a glorious chakrapunk future instead, with the villages politically opposing the empowerment of civilians this would imply.

Of course, Kishimoto would never execute this well. He really bungled his original themes to begin with, despite starting really strong with the Wave arc.
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Yeah and you would also probably end up with Hazo being able to pull of some absolutely ridiculous shenanigans in a effort to have him continue to be a actual threat against the bullshit that is endgame Naruto and Sasuke, with the logic being that because just like with Madara in original CANNON Naruto he can what he can ''Because if you really think about it, he's fucking Madara Hazo''

Shit like Hazo making Hidden Heaven a actual thing in a mere 3 years time or directional sealing nuke blast rings or the white zetsu army getting replaced by a army of puppets controlled by a seal based AI or even Hazo reverse engineering the flying thunder god seal is all definitely something I can see Kishimoto doing in a effort to keep Hazo to a appropiate powerlevel assuming he doesn't just go with sage of six paths Hazo instead.
 
RandomOTP said:
Oh, nice, I remember that. I hadn't given thought to using wordspace to influence the shape/plot of the manga. Should we ever commission a sequel for Keiko's manga (or perhaps poetry from Yuri) would you, as the QM, prefer us to give more direction in the action plan itself ("a series of poems with the common theme of Uplift, of common unity with your fellow human being, and how the Will of Fire can blossom away from the well-kept Bonfire that is Leaf"), render it as a sort of Omake Bonus with us writing outlines (as we have above), or just handwave the details and show character reactions?
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Those all have their merits. But the writing of outlines seems like it has the most potential, both for general entertainment and for Keiko to react to.
xilios2000 said:
Am I correct in presuming that the OOC in-universe reason for reality being flimsy being the fact that reality is in actuality still under construction?
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I'm not sure there is an OOC reason for reality being flimsy. Reality being flimsy is just a thing. In all likelihood, it would be far less flimsy if people didn't keep using pieces of paper to violate its fundamental structure. You'll note they call them sealing failures, and not "spontaneously-occurring reality failures that sometimes involve seals".
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Also if we as the hivemind nudged Hazo into investigating what the deal was with ''The Thing'' and he manages to enter his own mindscape much like Naruto does in CANNON Naruto to talk to Kurama, would you guys have the in-universe truth behind the hivemind just be the existentially horrifiying OOC truth of the matter which would no doubt at bare minimum add 5 or 6 Thousand yard stare points?
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I very much doubt we would ever reach the degree of meta necessary for Hazō to meet the hivemind. That just doesn't sound like a good idea on any possible level, whether in terms of suspension of disbelief or in terms of player munchkinry.
 
@Velorien @eaglejarl @OliWhail

Seeing as the Iron Nerve allows the user to perfectly repeat any and all movements they have previously performed in their life, would it not make way more sense for the Iron Nerve to give a XP bonus or XP discount to Taijustu as apposed to a flat bonus as Iron Nerve users only need to pull off a taijustu move once to effectively master it?

With the Iron Nerve the user would be able to turn Bruce Lee's proverb of "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." on it's head as for a Iron Nerve user like Hazo getting a kick right after like 10 tries is functionally just as proficient with that kick as for instance Haru would be if he practiced with that same kick 10,000 times.

With this is it really logical to have the Iron Nerve give a flat bonus to Taijutsu as opposed to a XP bonus or discount?


Also with Hazo and all other Iron Nerve users remembering every single muscle movement they have ever made, does that mean that Iron Nerve users through that same mechanism remember every single word that they have ever spoken? Afterall the moving of one's vocal chords is also a muscle movement is it not? If so can you tell me what Hazo's first word was seeing as he should logically know that.

Also seeing as the heart is a muscle would that not mean that Hazo should theoretically be capable of manually controlling his own heartbeat?
 
xilios2000 said:
@Velorien @eaglejarl @OliWhail

Seeing as the Iron Nerve allows the user to perfectly repeat any and all movements they have previously performed in their life, would it not make way more sense for the Iron Nerve to give a XP bonus or XP discount to Taijustu as apposed to a flat bonus as Iron Nerve users only need to pull off a taijustu move once to effectively master it?

With the Iron Nerve the user would be able to turn Bruce Lee's proverb of "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." on it's head as for a Iron Nerve user like Hazo getting a kick right after like 10 tries is functionally just as proficient with that kick as for instance Haru would be if he practiced with that same kick 10,000 times.

With this is it really logical to have the Iron Nerve give a flat bonus to Taijutsu as opposed to a XP bonus or discount?


Also with Hazo and all other Iron Nerve users remembering every single muscle movement they have ever made, does that mean that Iron Nerve users through that same mechanism remember every single word that they have ever spoken? Afterall the moving of one's vocal chords is also a muscle movement is it not? If so can you tell me what Hazo's first word was seeing as he should logically know that.

Also seeing as the heart is a muscle would that not mean that Hazo should theoretically be capable of manually controlling his own heartbeat?
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While of course I have no clue whether this is the real reason, this seems like a measure in place to balance the Iron Nerve - the system as described by you sounds more realistic, but completely game-breaking. Is that correct, QM's?
 
Supersuslik said:
While of course I have no clue whether this is the real reason, this seems like a measure in place to balance the Iron Nerve - the system as described by you sounds more realistic, but completely game-breaking. Is that correct, QM's?
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I really don't see how a XP bonus is in any way shape or form game-breaking as long as you don't make the bonus too big.

Besides, Eidetic muscle memory is op as fuck when you really stop to think about it.
 
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