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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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TaliesinSkye said:
How's this work? Automating the substitution process when the user is attacked or something?
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The way it works is that you have an array of seals ready to go off when you use substitution. So my current load out would be air domes, earbusters, flash bangs, Pangolin pepper macerators, poisonous gas, goo bombs, banshee slayers, purifiers, and creative stuff with storage seals. All this would instantly go off in our opponents face
 
TaliesinSkye said:
How's this work? Automating the substitution process when the user is attacked or something?
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No, 'iros wants to make a variant of ARS that is triggered to activate when the user casts substitution. You can then wear a whole bunch of sub-ARS's all keyed to different defensive seals so that when you substitute it surrounds you with a ton of defence effects all at once. Since all the sub-ARS's would activate all together the first time you sub, you can only pull this trick once per fight. OTOH there's just so much nonsense you can tie to that single substitution that "once per fight" is all you need.
 
MadScientist said:
No, 'iros wants to make a variant of ARS that is triggered to activate when the user casts substitution. You can then wear a whole bunch of sub-ARS's all keyed to different defensive seals so that when you substitute it surrounds you with a ton of defence effects all at once. Since all the sub-ARS's would activate all together the first time you sub, you can only pull this trick once per fight. OTOH there's just so much nonsense you can tie to that single substitution that "once per fight" is all you need.
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Of course, you could always make a variant that works on the second, third, etc. substitution within a given timeframe...
 
Oneiros said:
The way it works is that you have an array of seals ready to go off when you use substitution. So my current load out would be air domes, earbusters, flash bangs, Pangolin pepper macerators, poisonous gas, goo bombs, banshee slayers, purifiers, and creative stuff with storage seals. All this would instantly go off in our opponents face
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Sounds dangerous for potential nearby friends.
 
Cariyaga said:
Do you remember the last time we used substitution? I don't. :p
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I'll have you know it was absolutly vital and neccessary in the red/blue team part of the chuunin exam. We did not at all just use it to show of even more. That would be ridiculous. :p

Velorien said:
Whatever might have happened in some different reality, the fact was that she didn't realize anything was wrong until the boy fell out of the sky and everything went to shit.

He came in on a high arc, like a kunai thrown to drop on the other side of a barrier. She caught sight of him from the corner of her eye and turned towards him just as he arrived. The brief glimpse she got said that he was her own age—fourteen, maybe fifteen—and solidly built, with a fascinating jawline and messy dark hair. He had a massive rock tied to his chest and something in each hand. That was all she had time to notice before the world became sound and pain and then silence, as though someone had rammed needles through her ears and wiggled them around inside her brain.

She didn't have time to think about that, because she was too busy being knocked on her ass by the explosion. Hot on the heels of the blast, the boy hit the ground and shattered into a pile of rocks and sand. The minor boulder that had been strapped to his chest embedded itself in the ground.

An instant later it was gone, replaced by a half-dome of water with tendrils flailing out around it like the arms of a psychotically enraged duodecapus. In the center of the hemisphere stood Gōketsu Noburi—his physique and the barrel made him impossible to mistake, especially given how much time he had spent mingling with everyone in the barracks, telling stories that had to be lies while wearing a completely straight face and/or a dreamy smile. Come to think of it, the dark-haired boy had probably been his brother, H...Ha...whatever his name was. His clone anyway.

Gōketsu flicked his wrist like a fisherman casting; a rope of water lashed out and wrapped around Nishikawa's neck, yanking him off his feet and forward to smash face-first into the edge of the hemisphere. Several of the tendrils beat a bloody tattoo on his back and he went down like a sack of meal.

Niko started trying to stand up, but her limbs weren't cooperating. Before she even managed to get her feet under her, Gōketsu was gone. In his place was his brother, the one with the strong jaw and the name she couldn't recall. He was wrapped in a glowing golden outline, some sort of scaled animal with massive claws that she didn't recognize but it was probably a pangolin, given who his sister was. He took three chakra-speedy steps to get to Daiju and chambered a front kick that would have smashed Daiju's chest in if it connected, but Daiju was already shifting to the side...only to find that the attack was a feint. Whatsisname dove forward, spinning into a handstand heel kick that planted Daiju in the dirt like a farmer planting seeds. The kick had barely landed before whatsisname was gone, replaced by a wiry beanpole who zipped in between Miho and Kisato without stopping, leaving a puff of orange smoke behind him as he raced towards Furui. The smoke touched Niko's teammates and they went stiff, falling helplessly to the ground even as the beanpole vanished, replaced by a blue-haired girl with green paint on her face and neck. She was built like a brick shithouse and she wasted no time kicking Furui's face in with a wicked rising-heel kick that launched him up and back. He was still in midair when the girl vanished, swapped out by a sandy-haired boy with glowing purple chakra-construct needles jutting from every part of his body and a short-sleeved shirt that showed off some really nice biceps.

Spikey-guy smashed into Shibahara; the other boy tried to dodge aside but his attacker was too fast. The kick to the thigh would have been painful on its own, but with the needles leading the way it was too much: Shibahara went down. He tried to roll to his feet, but Spikey-guy kicked him in the head and disappeared, replaced by a slender girl with a bad dye-job. She carried a studded mace in her right hand and wore a sheet of stone in the shape of a kite shield on her left arm.

Niko knew what was coming; the rest of the team was down, so there were no other targets. She scrambled back to her feet, the surge of adrenaline mostly overcoming her shock and pain. She assumed the Mantis Stance, Norimoto-sensei's remembered tactical advice screaming in her mind that she should run, but her coordination was still shot. Before she could launch an attack the mace caught her in the groin with a rising strike that bent her double. The shield smashed into the back of her neck and all was blackness.
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Actually you're all wrong, the last time Hazou substituted on-screen was this:
eaglejarl said:
"See you down there, sis," Hazō said, flashing her an absolutely infuriating grin. "And don't worry, I haven't prepped the battlefield in any sort of...creative way." He vanished, Substituting himself down into the southeast corner of the arena.
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firestorm440 said:
5SB your barrels to avoid the metallurgy issues we had IRL with chamber pressure exploding guns.
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I'm not sure if we could make a cylindrical 5SB. A square one might work, but you couldn't fire a round projectile out of it and it would take three more barriers. Also, I'm not sure if we could attach the barriers to one another in a seamless way, so no gas escaped through the cracks.

It wouldn't be all that hard to avoid exploding guns, I think. We can precisely and consistently control how much boom we get out of the tags, and from there it's just a matter of making the cannons thicker than they really need to be for safety margin. They did that with the early ones. Granted they were so heavy they were only practical as siege artillery because they made them out of bronze at the time, but that's OK. We can probably do better with iron and it's not like we expect any field battles. Ninja don't seem to do the lining up in large numbers in formation thing.

Maybe the weight would be an issue for naval artillery, not sure?
 
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TarzanNn said:
Welcome @Jernau. Nice to have you here.
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Thanks. From reading the last day's posts, this thread moves pretty quickly, and there are a lot of strings I suspected but couldn't anticipate - the date with Ami actually being intentional threw me. When I was reading only the story thread I pictured the hivemind (outside of emergencies) as essentially a committee asking a neverending list of queries which fell 60/30/10 on making characters roll their eyes / exposit into dead ends / progress the story.

JulieK said:
Have someone check into which new genin were always getting in trouble at the academy for their creative thinking.
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I agree with @faflec that looking for students who are "disrespectful to authority" would get more pings, but how do we get that info? Does Leaf keep permanent records on its students that Hazo can access, or are we just going to ask around for kids the teachers don't like? I feel like I should have a better alternative if I'm going to poke at this, but I don't right now.

Jello_Raptor said:
  • The math needed for public key crypto and hash functions fits on a single sheet of paper, incl. proofs and explanations.
    • That could give us an absurd amount of security relative to everyone else's crypto, as well as signing, better steganography, etc...
  • Basic signal processing concepts (not even the actual math) are enough to help Hazou develop very powerful sealtech.
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Aw. I was hoping there was a secret graph theory cannon and when Hazo fires it we have to commission Greg Egan to explain what happens.

More seriously, I see a kind of disjunct (or maybe a "dance of plausibility") between the propositions in the thread and Hazo's actions so far. I was half-aware that there have been a bunch of game-breakers so far that required rules overhauls, but in terms of just having out-there ideas I haven't noticed a real abundance, and so I've kind of assumed that a given idea needs enough plausible background to nest in before he's allowed to shout it to the heavens. This could just as easily be that modeling Hazo's thoughts "accurately" would be exhausting to write and keep track of, but in the end it adds to the same problem of Hazo needing a certain amount of time to come up with the idea on his own. Or is this where the mechanics kick in?

I wish I was a bit more useful in the mathematical realm. I'm trying to shore up my arithmetic with a bunch of used textbooks, but right now a wild discovery is more like "a number can be defined as a class of classes of equal membership" or "oh shit, I forgot matrix multiplication is non-commutative".
 
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