Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
The idea is that the smart kids are getting shafted by the incompetent layabout teachers.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
The idea is that the smart kids are getting shafted by the incompetent layabout teachers.
He would have done if we had found a hacker in the forests of Iron instead of a sealmaster.
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- Yes.
And now I'm imagining Kagome the paranoid THer. Same conspiracy theories, same obsession with explosives, but instead of throwing them with paper he uses Earth Release to throw shrapnel bombs and Wind Release to compress air at a distance.
- Location
- Kiev, Ukraine
An absolutely unrelated question: does anyone know how to install "Screaming in Kagome" extension in Firefox?
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- Yes.
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Any alternate link?firefox Add-ons page said:
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Leaf needs Naruto strong more than they need Naruto active.
His very existence is a backstop leaf needs. Given that he's not in tip top shape yet, it's much for beneficial for him to recover effectively.
Being an assistant doesn't compromise his health (and a routine might even help with the trauma) while still helping Naruto be useful
I'm reasonably confident i've been the biggest advocate for this, and there are a pile of motivations behind my push.
- The implied level of math available is absurdly high, I want to know why.
- We are talking about a medieval culture that explicitly does not have a notion of a public intelligencia. In the EN secrets are meant to be kept.
- Also, it's a death world, and the surplus manpower needed to explore math is just not available.
- So you'd expect the amount of collective maths knowledge to be strictly below that of late-medieval Europe which had neither of those problems.
- Yet there's allusions to:
- Math in dimensionalities much higher than 4.
- People didn't realize that spaces with non-flat curvature were consistent till Lobachevsky.
- Complex cryptography and cryptanalysis, that's more than just steganography.
- Hell we only broke the vigenere cipher in 1863, and that's the next simplest thing to a straight substitution cipher.
- Other things I can't recall off the top of my head.
- Math in dimensionalities much higher than 4.
- There's got to be a reason for this:
- The sage and dummy handing out maths when they gave away technique hacking and sealing.
- Cryptography actually being ludicrously primitive by our standards.
- Some way for people in the EN to understand and manipulate high dimensional with the same ease that we can intuitively work with 4d system. (E.g. imagining the 4th spacial axis as time, and similar tricks. Nowhere near as easy as 3d, but still well within the realm of easy imagination.)
- All of those possibilities either give us avenues for munchkining or are useful things to know for sure.
- The math needed for public key crypto and hash functions fits on a single sheet of paper, incl. proofs and explanations.
- That could give us an absurd amount of security relative to everyone else's crypto, as well as signing, better steganography, etc...
- Basic signal processing concepts (not even the actual math) are enough to help Hazou develop very powerful sealtech.
- Stuff on the order of pre-vacuum tube electronics.
- I'll note that telegraphs, radio, fax machines, telephones, and early radar-like systems (telemobiloscope) , were all around before vacuum tubes, albeit not in their current forms.
- Stuff on the order of pre-vacuum tube electronics.
- Knowing what broad categories of math Hazou has access to (esp. the math for sealing, crypto, and summoning) gives us easy hooks to reapply that same math in other places.
- Lots of other places.
- Lots of other places.
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- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
Because I fucked up, duh. That's usually the answer.
We'll find some IC handwaved explanation, but that's the actual answer.
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- Yes.
Maybe the math is more advanced because Sealing incentivized higher understand of math?
- Location
- Kiev, Ukraine
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- Yes.
Yes, this so much.
HAZOU: Data please. Thank you. (vomits out spreadsheets and fractional reserve banking)
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Implying that thats the best we can cook up.
Modern finances would be a nightmare to the Nara.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the first major attempts at stuff like central banks fail horribly and almost crash their country's economy?
Methinks it would be a nightmare for more than just the Nara.
Methinks it would be a nightmare for more than just the Nara.
- Location
- Yes.
The trick is to limit the damage to our enemies' economies.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Well, first you need something resembling an actual economy for that to happen!
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
:> Yeah, I know. But I'm not above using that to blackmail you into in-game goodies.
That said, If the answer is that "MfD human brains are just better at math" I'll be disappointed since I can't munchkin that in the opposite direction and get our characters to help us fold protiens.
Right and some of it can be accounted for that way, but not all of it. It's still a manpower issue.
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- Omniverse #1345
The obvious reason is the world for MfD is actually a post apocalyptic society, and the military retained related math as secrets during the fall (encryption is... valuable, and as noted you need a lot of background to get it to work right), which was picked up by sealmasters as another universal language to use to help generate seals.
Obviously, many of the advanced concepts and proofs were lost, and some things which are "known" lack the related proof, but generational knowledge of "this is true" has been sufficient.
Obviously, then, some of the worst sealing failures are a result of when that knowledge has slipped and the stated theorem is not true, or is missing conditions.
Obviously, many of the advanced concepts and proofs were lost, and some things which are "known" lack the related proof, but generational knowledge of "this is true" has been sufficient.
Obviously, then, some of the worst sealing failures are a result of when that knowledge has slipped and the stated theorem is not true, or is missing conditions.
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- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
A reasonable motor for faster-than-in-reality advancements in maths could be the five thinker clans.
- Five rather large groups of people with a great level of education and focus on mental disciplines, while powered by Mental Ninja Magic.
- Each of them has a different mental enchancement. That's a lot of angles to approach the topic from.
- They have lines of communication between each other. Trading of knowledge is a near certainty here.
- Five rather large groups of people with a great level of education and focus on mental disciplines, while powered by Mental Ninja Magic.
- Each of them has a different mental enchancement. That's a lot of angles to approach the topic from.
- They have lines of communication between each other. Trading of knowledge is a near certainty here.
- Location
- NY
If we 2008 the EN economy it won't just be the Nara screaming.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
No worries, we can provide unlimited salt for them.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
We can solve that problem with explosives.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I know you're joking, but just as a point of information: The last few days have been pretty hard for me, so this is a bad time to be making jokes like that one. No way for you to have known and it's not a problem, but I figured it would be wise to set expectations.
TaliesinSkye
Occasional Editor
- Location
- Northeast Ohio, United States
Here's to hoping things improve for you soon. Everyone here appreciates the brilliance of your work in bringing these characters and this whole world to life, and we all care about you.