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- USA
If our peers are going to look upon our rampage with that kind of disdain, we probably shouldn't do this right now. Not when prestige is so unusually important.
Mind you, I don't think the rampage will be viewed so negatively.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
If our peers are going to look upon our rampage with that kind of disdain, we probably shouldn't do this right now. Not when prestige is so unusually important.
Mind you, I don't think the rampage will be viewed so negatively.
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- USA
I'm groping towards something I think we need to confront.
We have 2 goals.
1. Accumulate power in Ninja political circles.
2. Improve the quality of life for civilians.
They look orthogonal or even aligned (Power is useful for improvement, and the improved civilians indirectly bring us power). That is our knowledge of the real world misleading us. In the Ninjaverse these goals may not form the feedback cycle that we expect. (Ninja power vanishes the second you try and use it for anything the culture disapproves of and improved civilians are simply plundered by unscrupulous ninja)
To be less meta, more object, Till N Fills are wastes of money as far as ninja politics is concerned. The more of them we do, the less money we have for ninja stuff. This didn't matter in the past, because the economy was fairy dust and hand waving, but if the QMs are actually moving to a simulated model we are going to have to confront the fact that our lifestyle may be unsustainable.
Like, at this point Kagome + Hazou is going to:
1. Reform the Leach educational system
2. Make enough bombs that every Gokage can carry 100 (presumably including any that we adopt)
3. Keep the bowl by the door full of bombs.
4. Keep the back yard full of bombs
5. Keep invisible walls up in the front yard that he renews every 12 hours.
6. Put up anti Hyuga seals on our planning rooms every once in a while (how do we know those work, by the by?)
7. Pay for an arbitrary number of till n fill missions.
8. Bring peace to the Seventh Path?
9. Make Naruto/Inoue/Asuma or whoever Hokage?
I mean, nice work for a Jonin and a Chunin. No S-rank will do half that much!
It just seems ridiculous, and if they actually put numbers on stuff I think it will be, I think, pretty obvious that we need to let some of this stuff slide.
Kagome is, fundamentally, a silly character from another phase in the quest's evolution. All of the 'we spend infinite bombs and lecture people on how they need to throw more bombs around' stuff doesn't make sense with the idea that it takes 5 minutes to make a bomb. He is Yosemite Sam, and we are making plans that are all about selling bullets, and its like..."No, that thing where he always has more ammo is atmosphere, it is character design. It isn't a serious simulationist part of this new phase of the setting". He works great in 'Wandering Murderer Quest', but if the game is actually going to be 'Change World Culture Quest' I don't think the QM's are going to let us lean on his fighting flavor text any further.
This was a very wandering post, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need to act more like other ninja in order to conserve resources and pick a modest subset of our incredibly expansive goals to accomplish. (My suggestion: "Survive the Election")
We have 2 goals.
1. Accumulate power in Ninja political circles.
2. Improve the quality of life for civilians.
They look orthogonal or even aligned (Power is useful for improvement, and the improved civilians indirectly bring us power). That is our knowledge of the real world misleading us. In the Ninjaverse these goals may not form the feedback cycle that we expect. (Ninja power vanishes the second you try and use it for anything the culture disapproves of and improved civilians are simply plundered by unscrupulous ninja)
To be less meta, more object, Till N Fills are wastes of money as far as ninja politics is concerned. The more of them we do, the less money we have for ninja stuff. This didn't matter in the past, because the economy was fairy dust and hand waving, but if the QMs are actually moving to a simulated model we are going to have to confront the fact that our lifestyle may be unsustainable.
Like, at this point Kagome + Hazou is going to:
1. Reform the Leach educational system
2. Make enough bombs that every Gokage can carry 100 (presumably including any that we adopt)
3. Keep the bowl by the door full of bombs.
4. Keep the back yard full of bombs
5. Keep invisible walls up in the front yard that he renews every 12 hours.
6. Put up anti Hyuga seals on our planning rooms every once in a while (how do we know those work, by the by?)
7. Pay for an arbitrary number of till n fill missions.
8. Bring peace to the Seventh Path?
9. Make Naruto/Inoue/Asuma or whoever Hokage?
I mean, nice work for a Jonin and a Chunin. No S-rank will do half that much!
It just seems ridiculous, and if they actually put numbers on stuff I think it will be, I think, pretty obvious that we need to let some of this stuff slide.
Kagome is, fundamentally, a silly character from another phase in the quest's evolution. All of the 'we spend infinite bombs and lecture people on how they need to throw more bombs around' stuff doesn't make sense with the idea that it takes 5 minutes to make a bomb. He is Yosemite Sam, and we are making plans that are all about selling bullets, and its like..."No, that thing where he always has more ammo is atmosphere, it is character design. It isn't a serious simulationist part of this new phase of the setting". He works great in 'Wandering Murderer Quest', but if the game is actually going to be 'Change World Culture Quest' I don't think the QM's are going to let us lean on his fighting flavor text any further.
This was a very wandering post, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need to act more like other ninja in order to conserve resources and pick a modest subset of our incredibly expansive goals to accomplish. (My suggestion: "Survive the Election")
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Will she though? I'm not entirely sure Keiko does goodwill balancing of scales that way.
Doesn't read like we're doing "Sis would you do this thing for me or otherwise consider doing it?" to me.
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- Under a Rock
*Seething white hot fury rising*
Okay. We need to do this while no one can stop us.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I feel like the two big differences are:
- She can come and go from the Goketsu estate without an invitation.
- She's obligated to keep Goketsu clan secrets from the Nara, who will presumably respect the obligation by not asking for them.
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- Under a Rock
I don't think so. Land is valuable, and if you could gain it so simply, it would already be done.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Ninjas explicitly don't care. So yeah we would essentially own it
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
At the point this is a simple enterprise, you probably don't have much of a need/use for a massive pile of land. Either you're middle class, already rich, or on your way there.
I don't think your interpretation of Kagome's antics is very in line with how hellbent the QMs are on simulationistic aspects. He prints explosives like candy because they're useful and he's a paranoid madman. Modulo some hyperbole here and there on the amounts.
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- USA
I expect if we clear out large swaths of territory next to the village it'll be more of a "The Tower thanks you for your contribution." sort of thing. The law is fuzzy and will always be de-fuzzed to our disadvantage until we are considered respectable citizens of Leaf.
Give or take fear of death-by-Naruto.
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- Academy City
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- They
We no longer have the hokage. That's pretty fucking huge and ignoring it is kinda disingenous.
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- USA
This is utter nonsense, right up there with you saying we had 7 superweapons before the QM pointed out that we have 0, or the 'we are all about to be S-class' stuff. Before the BotG we had the Hokage. How are we stronger politically or militarily now that he is dead?
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Fair. But that's only a temporary problem. When Mari gets the hat we will be back on top. Though militarily we are def relatively stronger
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- The Void
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We have Naruto. Net s-rankers are the same. Leaf lost 10+ jounin. Making ours more valuable
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Naruto and Jiraiya where both S-rankers. Jiraiya might have been a bit stronger or maybe not we don't know. We do know that they are in the same power bracket
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Jiraiya didn't have infinite chakra. According to Jiraiya himself, they were roughly equal in raw combat ability:
- Location
- Kiev, Ukraine
Jiraiya once said that Naruto is on par with himself iirc
E: ninja'd
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- Academy City
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- They
Meh. Slightly less combat power and almost certainly less support skills like sealing (although i would not be at all surprised to know he has some skill there due to jiraiya). He is also fairly significantly lower in reputation. You're right that relative to the rest of leaf Goketsu will be militarily stronger; we're now possibly a double digit percent of the fighting force rather simply high single digit.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
I would say that Jiraiya put us at double digit.
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- The state of Paranoia
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- Under a Rock
We should try this small scale first. If this endeavor is massively positive sum, we could use it for MEW infrastructure. Or sell the chakra.
Also, I don't know if we have to worry about water poisoning. Wasn't there a scene in the international games night update where Noburi gave someone chakra just by touching them? Or did that get retconned?
Also, I don't know if we have to worry about water poisoning. Wasn't there a scene in the international games night update where Noburi gave someone chakra just by touching them? Or did that get retconned?
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- Academy City
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- They
Possibly. I'm not really sure what the best way to calculate it is; leaf certainly had a lot of elite jonin prior to the BotG, and I'm not sure how much of a percentage of that combat force jiraiya took up. I would guess he's worth at least 2 of them (and there are 12?) but my intuitions are not so finely honed as to exactly how high level combat works out.