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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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I'm simply going to curse a recent surge in workload for removing the spoons I would other wise have used in participating in the thread's discussions of how to do a politics. :(
 
Vecht said:
I object. I demand that the MC be given the Snake summoning scroll above all other considerations. Further, you can trust that I am completely unbiased in this assertion and have no ulterior motives.
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Thank you for your well-reasoned objection. I am definitely agreeing with you, and am definitely not annoyed by your disclaimer claiming lack of bias.
 
You have to learn Summoning from someone who already has the ability to.

By my reckoning, the only people who have it that we know of are Asuma, Keiko and Tsunade.

Unless for some reason theres a designated "You learn this Stunt just in case we ever get a summoning scroll" position in a clan or a retired summoner we don't know about, but I'm not really sure that theres a reason to do this because of the rarity? Tak in Isan had his own reasons (legacy stuff) and presumably Asuma learned it from Hiruzen because he was going to be the heir anyway.

Does Hiashi or anyone else have someone that could actually teach this stunt? It seems like only people who can do it are in our faction.
 
MMKII said:
You have to learn Summoning from someone who already has the ability to.

By my reckoning, the only people who have it that we know of are Asuma, Keiko and Tsunade.

Unless for some reason theres a designated "You learn this Stunt just in case we ever get a summoning scroll" position in a clan or a retired summoner we don't know about, but I'm not really sure that theres a reason to do this because of the rarity? Tak in Isan had his own reasons (legacy stuff) and presumably Asuma learned it from Hiruzen because he was going to be the heir anyway.

Does Hiashi or anyone else have someone that could actually teach this stunt? It seems like only people who can do it are in our faction.
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When you sign a scroll the summoning shows up anyway, correct? It's possible that the Summoning clans can train you themselves if needed.
 
ContextBot said:
When you sign a scroll the summoning shows up anyway, correct? It's possible that the Summoning clans can train you themselves if needed.
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Thats potentially even better, since we could just sign the thing and further cement our claim to it once we've got it.
 
Though we do need to sanity check the snakes themselves. They were kind of bloodthirsty in canon and even that aside, the Pangolin themselves are. We'd wanna be sure of what we were signing up for.
 
This is what Jiraiya said with regards to our plan to reverse summon Naruto. Note he had no objections about him being a summoner. Is weak evidence that this is workable

eaglejarl said:
Jiraiya looked thoughtful. "Huh. Interesting idea." He pondered it for a minute. "So far as I know, no one has ever tried that. I can't say for sure what would happen, but I'm reasonably sure it wouldn't work. Summoning contracts are essentially very elaborate, very powerful seals. Intent and identity matter when you're doing sealing, so I'd be very surprised if you could sign for someone else. Aside from that, I don't know where we'd get a sample of his blood and chakra. Still, good thought. And good job on the OPSEC."
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Cariyaga said:
Though we do need to sanity check the snakes themselves. They were kind of bloodthirsty in canon and even that aside, the Pangolin themselves are. We'd wanna be sure of what we were signing up for.
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Even if they are we can still contract with them. Just don't sell them weapons if we find out they are pro genocide
 
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Wrote up a subsection I can put in the Plan Cache, if there's general agreement:
  • Subsection: Acquire the Snake Scroll
    • We have been lawfully charged with Saving The World, and summon scrolls are invaluable resources that will clear numerous problems for Uplift.
      • We have a right to the Snake Scroll by the letter and spirit of Jiriaya's order, we only need to get that through to the bureaucrats holding it.
    • Bring Mari. We can take the lead with her skill at manipulation backing us up.
    • Go directly to the Tower. We're Lord Goketsu and are acting on the direct orders of the Hokage, let no-one stand in our way.
    • Take the Scroll and bring it back to the Goketsu compound.
    • SAN check with Keiko: if you aren't trained at Summoning is it dangerous to sign the scroll or can you just not use it?
      • If it's safe, sign immediately.

edit: added. Apropos of nothing, do you think I should put links to winning plans and such in it too, for ease of lookup?
Inferno Vulpix said:
Plan Cache:
  • Adoptees: Akane & Tenten
    • Meet with their families, since this concerns them as well.
    • Offer to adopt them into the Gouketsu. Explain what that entails and all that.
  • Make contact with the Snakes.
  • Discuss trading with Pangolins for Condor space-time jutsu.
  • Subsection: Acquire the Snake Scroll
    • We have been lawfully charged with Saving The World, and summon scrolls are invaluable resources that will clear numerous problems for Uplift.
      • We have a right to the Snake Scroll by the letter and spirit of Jiriaya's order, we only need to get that through to the bureaucrats holding it.
    • Bring Mari. We can take the lead with her skill at manipulation backing us up.
    • Go directly to the Tower. We're Lord Goketsu and are acting on the direct orders of the Hokage, let no-one stand in our way.
    • Take the Scroll and bring it back to the Goketsu compound.
    • SAN check with Keiko: if you aren't trained at Summoning is it dangerous to sign the scroll or can you just not use it?
      • If it's safe, sign immediately.
Sometimes when we're making a plan we have a good idea that's just outside the temporal scope of the update, but we don't want to cut it from the plan because we might forget by the next cycle. This adds unnecessary words that could have been spent fleshing out the rest of the plan, and may outright cost XP in the worst cases.

This plan cache will hold these subsections so they don't fall into the void between planning cycles. Just ping me with the subsection and, unless it's wildly unreasonable, I'll edit it into the post. I'll keep them there for a while until they either make it into a winning plan, fall out of favour, or the context significantly changes. Depending on circumstances, they might end up in my Side Project Cache, or they might be dropped, and I'll make sure to be transparent about what I'm doing.

I'll do my best to quote this post after every update, so that planmakers can get an easy reminder about what we never quite got to last cycle.
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I suspect that a sufficiently good sealmaster can figure out the summoning jutsu from looking at the scroll.
And of course there's the fun theory where it's knowledge passed down from the Sage (who figured it out himself, the filthy genius motherfucker) and there are fewer clans with knowledge of summoning each generation (thus explaining why some summon clans have trouble finding summoners).

I doubt that the summons themselves can teach humans ninjutsu. They already have trouble converting their ninjutsu for human use : does that sound compatible with "we can teach humans incredibly complex interdimensional ninjutsu?"
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
I suspect that a sufficiently good sealmaster can figure out the summoning jutsu from looking at the scroll.
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"Sufficiently good" is probably "Way better than Jiraiya ever was." in this context. Even when we went up to him with the Reverse Summon Naruto Rescue Plan, he pretty much just shrugged and went "Summoning scrolls be mysterious yo, it might not work that way."
 
faflec said:
@Inferno Vulpix This. We should also check in with the snakes themselves, if they have intel on Orochimaru's will that could be used in our favor we should definitely go for that.
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Sending a message to the Snakes is actually already in the cache from a previous cycle, so I'll just go expand that a bit.

edit: added, and also added links to last cycle's plans so they can be referenced next cycle.
Inferno Vulpix said:
Plan Cache:
  • Adoptees: Akane & Tenten
    • Meet with their families, since this concerns them as well.
    • Offer to adopt them into the Gouketsu. Explain what that entails and all that.
  • Make contact with the Snakes.
    • Figure out what they're like from Jiraiya's notes and the Pangolins and Toads first.
    • Ask the Snakes if they have any information about Orochimaru's will that might be useful.
  • Discuss trading with Pangolins for Condor space-time jutsu.
  • Subsection: Acquire the Snake Scroll
    • We have been lawfully charged with Saving The World, and summon scrolls are invaluable resources that will clear numerous problems for Uplift.
      • We have a right to the Snake Scroll by the letter and spirit of Jiriaya's order, we only need to get that through to the bureaucrats holding it.
    • Bring Mari. We can take the lead with her skill at manipulation backing us up.
      • Keiko too for Intimidation.
    • Go directly to the Tower. We're Lord Goketsu and are acting on the direct orders of the Hokage, let no-one stand in our way.
    • Take the Scroll and bring it back to the Goketsu compound.
    • SAN check with Keiko: if you aren't trained at Summoning is it dangerous to sign the scroll or can you just not use it?
      • If it's safe, sign immediately.
  • Release Orochimaru's pardon to the world.

Past Plans:
Growing Goketsu, by Inferno Vulpix
Forming the Party, by Oneiros
Party Growth, by faflec
Our Brother, by Evenstar
Sometimes when we're making a plan we have a good idea that's just outside the temporal scope of the update, but we don't want to cut it from the plan because we might forget by the next cycle. This adds unnecessary words that could have been spent fleshing out the rest of the plan, and may outright cost XP in the worst cases.

This plan cache will hold these subsections so they don't fall into the void between planning cycles. Just ping me with the subsection and, unless it's wildly unreasonable, I'll edit it into the post. I'll keep them there for a while until they either make it into a winning plan, fall out of favour, or the context significantly changes. Depending on circumstances, they might end up in my Side Project Cache, or they might be dropped, and I'll make sure to be transparent about what I'm doing.

I'll do my best to quote this post after every update, so that planmakers can get an easy reminder about what we never quite got to last cycle.
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We could honestly spend 2 weeks of IRL time just asking the QMs for Lore updates at this point. Leaf politics, Seventh Path politics, etc.

But I really want to learn Akane's fate and see what condition Naruto is in, so nope!
 
*glances at the Plan Cache* Hm...@Inferno Vulpix Could you put what's below into the Plan Cache? I feel that it aggregates some of the plan fragments floating around the cache.
  • Acquire the Snake Scroll.
    • Learn about Snake culture/predispositions from Pangolins, Toads, Jiraiya's notes...
    • Send Jiraiya's letter to Orochimaru to the Snakes (via Pangolin messengers).
      • Orochimaru could have faked his death; either way, he should have it.
      • Also, did he leave a will with you guys? He's been pardoned and we'd want his wishes to be carried out.
    • Get the Scroll from the Tower.
      • Hazou takes lead, bringing Mari (manipulation) and Keiko (Intimidation).
      • Demand the scroll.
        • We're Lord Goketsu, acting under Lord Jiraiya's direct orders. Let no-one stand in our way.
          • We've been lawfully charged with Saving The World, and summon scrolls are invaluable resources that will clear numerous problems for Uplift.
            • We have a right to the Snake Scroll by the letter and spirit of Jiriaya's order, we only need to get that through to the bureaucrats holding it.
        • Brandish Orochimaru's pardon and will as applicable.
        • <We need way more shit for this to work properly>
On a completely irrelevant side note, I also want a bit discussing Pangolins:
  • Keiko:
    • We should give Pangolins an OPSEC-sanitized list of seals to sell, as they've requested.
      • Rewards: While gold/valuables are nice, we could also ask for from conquered nations' jutsu (Condor Space-Time Jutsu?).
        • We'd also like to do something about their treatment of conquered nations. <Help>
    • If we sold seals to the Pangolins using Toad intermediaries, would that alleviate your earlier concerns?
 
faflec said:
*glances at the Plan Cache* Hm...@Inferno Vulpix Could you put what's below into the Plan Cache? I feel that it aggregates some of the plan fragments floating around the cache.
  • Acquire the Snake Scroll.
    • Learn about Snake culture/predispositions from Pangolins, Toads, Jiraiya's notes...
    • Send Jiraiya's letter to Orochimaru to the Snakes (via Pangolin messengers).
      • Orochimaru could have faked his death; either way, he should have it.
      • Also, did he leave a will with you guys? He's been pardoned and we'd want his wishes to be carried out.
    • Get the Scroll from the Tower.
      • Hazou takes lead, bringing Mari (manipulation) and Keiko (Intimidation).
      • Demand the scroll.
        • We're Lord Goketsu, acting under Lord Jiraiya's direct orders. Let no-one stand in our way.
          • We've been lawfully charged with Saving The World, and summon scrolls are invaluable resources that will clear numerous problems for Uplift.
            • We have a right to the Snake Scroll by the letter and spirit of Jiriaya's order, we only need to get that through to the bureaucrats holding it.
        • Brandish Orochimaru's pardon and will as applicable.
        • <We need way more shit for this to work properly>
On a completely irrelevant side note, I also want a bit discussing Pangolins:
  • Keiko:
    • We should give Pangolins an OPSEC-sanitized list of seals to sell, as they've requested.
      • Rewards: While gold/valuables are nice, we could also ask for from conquered nations' jutsu (Condor Space-Time Jutsu?).
        • We'd also like to do something about their treatment of conquered nations. <Help>
    • If we sold seals to the Pangolins using Toad intermediaries, would that alleviate your earlier concerns?
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I'm a little leery of this, since the plan cache is meant to store concepts more than it's meant to store implementations. Its purpose is to remind planmakers of what's on the docket in the next few updates rather than be a plan in its own right.

That said, I'm pretty sure I can make good use of this and overhaul the structure a little while maintaining proper conceptual division, so thank you for the assistance.
 
faflec said:
<We need way more shit for this to work properly>
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Nitpick: Mari can likely out-social any non-major politician left alive in Leaf. If ANBU -- whatever dregs are left of the organization anyway --are guarding the scroll, it is extremely unlikely that they'll be able to keep up with her attempting to social-fu them. The work comes in after acquiring the thing. Once we have our hands on it (or before) we can make assurances to current allies and neutral parties or deal with them as we may since its now our bargaining chip instead of Hiashi's.

Like here's one possible way this could go down:

ANBU: Why are you here?

HAZOU: I am saving the world according to my lawfully given orders as stated right here. By the authority of the late 5th Hokage and my own as Acting Lord Gouketsu, I order you to stand aside.

KEIKO: glares

MARI: ..Or don't, and we'll be back with an enraged Tsunade and some more clan heads, and you'll have to deal with that. What do you say? :)

ANBU: Right. Take the thing and let the politicians sort it out, gotcha.
 
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