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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- UK
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- He/Him
I originally misread this as "I guess I should put it in my nightmares or something."
HDK. In fact, HDK anything about chakra ponies.
OOC, you may have to wait until Keiko's birthday to find out.
Also, that's an all-new way to misspell my name. I'll add it to the collection.
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Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I'd rather we take the Snake Scroll than have someone else decide where it goes, unless we can use it as a bargaining chip to secure Naruto the hat.
Evenstar
Triple Jump Unlocked
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- Canada
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- She/Her
I'd rather we use it to secure the hat, yes. Use it to cement a new alliance for us.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
We could always sign off on keeping it in the clan for now but with the explicit provision that it goes to (Insert Clan) after Hazou's death.
Clans that are in it for the long game might be amicable towards this.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
I'm not sure of my reading; are you implying that we would be bluffing there? Because it's actually true: Keiko hid a stack of Skywalkers in the Seventh Path, which she later handed to Jiraiya. If not for these Skywalkers, Jiraiya wouldn't have been able to equip the entire alliance with flight, which would have likely let Akatsuki win. The Pangolins were instrumental in winning.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Luckily step one is the same regardless if we want to grab it for ourselves or for an alliance. Secure possession of the scroll
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Sure a bijuu would be more powerful but a summoning scroll is much more of a sure thing
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Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
No bluffing. 100% seriosity. Taking the Snake summoning scroll is completely in line with the spirit and letter of Jiraiya's orders.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
If we have a chance to nab the Snek Scroll, that would be the greatest hat trick we could possibly pull off short of maybe making Naruto Hokage and shifting the Hyuuga into non-existence.
They might have information on and channels of communication with Akatsuki. They might have things Oro left behind. This gives us a third summon scroll, and potentially three summon clans to work with on the 7th path. That is a truly tremendous amount of power. It gives us more options and leverage against the pangolins.
Through the power of 3 summon clans being boosted by our seals,and maybe one or two extra ones joining in on the alliance, we could probably fiat declare peace on the 7th path.
We could potentially even carve out some Accorded Neutral Territory there for 7th Path /Ninja UN. Summoners are now ambassadors.
Promise Sasuke that it will default to the Uchiha clan after our deaths if it gets him on board. Do the same with Shikamaru and the Pangolin scroll. Make whatever concessions that need to be made. Stride up the ANBU guarding it (when the ones on shift are loyal to us) and show them the pardon, the appointment, and the orders.
Get that scroll.
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That...
That might actually be not only something we can do, but something we've been officially ordered by the hokage to do. When Jiraiya said "in his official capacity as the hokage" To "save the world, do it, let nothing hold you back." he's effectively ordering us to do what we believe will save the world. And given Hiashi's political beliefs, that civillians are scum who need to be oppressed at all costs, keeping a powerful item out of his hands, or those of his supporters, would quite possibly qualify.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
While these arguments are decently compelling to me, and I figure we could convince Hazou if we tried, the question is whether we can convince the Tower, or at least the bureaucrats there, that this is within the scope of the order.
We can show them Jiraiya's message to us, thus proving that we have been charged so, but then the second part is convincing the bureaucrats or whoever else is between us and the Scroll that this does indeed qualify as vital to saving the world and we aren't just taking advantage of an ambiguously worded order to grab power.
So, who might we meet along the way and what do we say to them to convince them that us having the Snake Scroll falls under Jiraiya's last order to us?
edit: also, when we pull this off and Hiashi publicly decries it as a baseless power grab, how do we convince public opinion that this is Saving The World and not just a grab for power?
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- Europe
Sending a message to the Snakes and getting their support just became very important.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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- Left of Center
Brilliant, I take it Mari's read on the clan list is waiting on QM chitchat?
Also yeah, I was rather tired.
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- Yes.
Basically this. If we can figure out how to get the Tower to buy into what we're selling, and have at least some plan on fending off Hiashi's (or the public's) inevitable accusations of accruing personal/Clan power at the expense of Leaf power (if we're not giving it to Mari) then we'll have covered at least all the possible issues I can think of in the last couple minutes.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Aye. As best we can tell, Hazou has not really had a chance to sit down and have this talk with Mari at this point in the timeline.
Get some extra rest friendo <3
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- Europe
Wait, no. Give the Summoning scroll to Sasuke, assuming we can get some Sharingan in exchange.
Soon.
Soon.
I think for the most part, throwing Hazou/Kei/Noburi at the bureaucrats in their respective social combat roles backed up by attack-dog Mari will be sufficient given the presence of the will.
As to "vital to saving the world"... Yes, I think we can make arguments that the snakes had vital intel/jutsu from Orochimaru, especially concerning akatsuki, but we need to find some way in which these things are only accessible if we get the scroll as opposed to Hiashi.
SInce, you know... I doubt they'll accept "we believe that crushing Hiashi's avenues of gaining more power is a legitimate step in saving the world".
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
It should also be noted that arguments about how important the summon scrolls were to the Battle of the Gods are good case studies and not necessarily proof of future importance to Saving The World. We can refer to the importance of the Pangolins and the Snakes as evidence, but we still need a clear line suggesting that in the future the Snake Scroll being in Goketsu hands will be important for Saving The World.
...And now that I'm thinking about it in that lens the first thing we should probably do is clearly (and at least mostly accurately) define Saving The World. Once we do that we can identify stumbling blocks and argue the value of the Snakes in getting past them.
...And now that I'm thinking about it in that lens the first thing we should probably do is clearly (and at least mostly accurately) define Saving The World. Once we do that we can identify stumbling blocks and argue the value of the Snakes in getting past them.
Mari is retired from combat.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
To acquire possession of the thing, we need only convince the people standing in our immediate path.
After it is safely guarded by more seals than even Kagome thinks would suffice, we can do the required political juggling necessary to make all the clan heads be okay with this.
I would like direct player contact with the 7th path if we get 3 summoning scrolls. Dealing with all these entities through intermediaries is a massive pain in the ass.
Though if its the make-it-or-break-it between "Yes, Scroll Get!" or "No, Scroll is gone." then obviously I'd rather have Mari get it.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
I object. I demand that the MC be given the Snake summoning scroll above all other considerations. Further, you can trust that I am completely unbiased in this assertion and have no ulterior motives.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
If not Mari, then other than Hazou we could give it to Akane if she's alive
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- Europe
We also need his body. Oro would want someone to continue his work.