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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Shadowwarp said:
Noburi thinks it's a good idea to adopt some ninja and have them crank out explosive tags so that Kagome and Hazo have more free time for research into our huge backlog of seals.
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Yeah, I was kinda surprised Noburi would throw that idea out there. From everything we've seen so far, adoption and marriage into clans are a huge political deal.

Though maybe it's different when you're adopting/marrying someone from another clan than when you're adopting a clanless person. I would like to ask someone knowledgeable about clan politics if there's a distinction, and in general how often adoptions take place.

If it turns out it's something that happens frequently for various reasons, then I'd be more comfortable pursuing this.
 
For the love of Jashin, don't start peddling corruption, especially when Jiraiya is about to face a long-overdue final vote on keeping the hat.

If you want to help common-born, sell them seals at a discount, organize supplemental training programs, and organize and seed-fund co-op insurance and credit union discount loans for them and their families. Heck, you could combine retirement savings, life-insurance, and financial investment for Goketsu initiatives by rolling out tontines.



Cariyaga said:
The civilians die. Chakra poisoning from overdose of Wakahisa water is a thing that ninja have to worry about, much less civilians.
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Well, duh. The important thing is how. Do they keel over? Explode? Tear a rift into the Out? Violently evert into a visceroid?



MMKII said:
Ohhhhhh.

So THATS how we weaponize Noburi's Contact Dew!
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Noburi + Sage Mode is going to be an absolute showstopper.



Kiba said:
I just realized about something about Hazo:

> Disinherited due to his mother being disowned by the Kurosawa. Otherwise, would be heir.
> Approached by his aunt to be adopted back into the clan if he would disown his mother. Said no.
> Ends up clan heir anyway.
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"I don't need you! I'll make my own clan! With seals and board games!"​



Cariyaga said:
I'd be surprised if Kagome had the chakra reserves for it tbh. Dude's specced pretty hard into sealing.
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I don't think we even know what his natural element is.



eaglejarl said:
Hey, I didn't say one word about the ridiculousness of you kids deciding to change the spelling of "throw" to "yeet". You do yourselves, as they say these days.
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"Metre".



Kiba said:
Maybe we could start a ninja action figure line? Hmm.
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The real money is in bobbleheads.
 
eaglejarl said:
You don't actually know that for a fact. He got interested in the description of a Lightning technique at one point, but he didn't actually learn it.
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OliWhail said:
Kagome, on the other hand, was extremely excited to hear about it, and strongly recommended getting it since "some people in the clan" would be able to use it to "outrun the stinkers and get real close before they can do anything and boom squish 'em real dead real fast"
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Riiiight.
 
Roomba said:
What do you mean by "teammates"? We're a clan and a family, and we obviously can't simply recruit for the latter. For the former, I'm all for hiring civilian retainers and servants insofar as we can afford it. How to find Hazou a trustworthy civilian secretary who won't sell our secrets to the Hyuuga for a high enough price is a non-trivial problem, though.
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We're a clan and a family, but also a team. I don't see any problem with recruiting people for the cause as semi-independent agents that are neither clan nor family. If anything, we want Uplift to be its own thing and not necessarily interlinked with a clan, family or village. We want to define objectives loosely, and see if civvies might consider creative approaches we wouldn't have considered.

Shadowwarp said:
I think he might have meant civilian ninja adoptions, since we touched on it a bit.
I've said it before but I would offer adopting in Akane and Tenten if possible, after discussing it with the clan. After that we should hold off until we know Jiraiya and Naruto's fate before we even think about further expansion.
Thoughts?
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@Shadowwarp: Sorry, I should have quoted my earlier post. Here:

ashinator said:
Orthogonal to short term strategy, I had some things in mind that might help shape things in the ~50 chapter or thereabouts range.
So far in the story, most of the major personalities we've encountered have been ninja, with civilians sharing the role of targets, innocent bystander, damsel in distress, and sometimes yakuza overlord.
Whilst not denying that Plan Uplift, being in the Narutoverse, must involve chakra/ninja in some major way, I do believe we need to recruit civilians and experiment with whether we can have them play an active role in the story.

To that end, I would like for us to float certain civilian candidate profiles in known circles. Something along the lines of "If you know a person who meets criteria X, send a message to the Goketsu clan. We'll reimburse you for the costs, with a cherry on top." Specifically, I would like to search for civilians that can help us define a new status quo for the world we want to live in.
Eg. We can recruit a charismatic young man, fifteen years of age, independent and resourceful, but relatively ignorant of the giant social divide that exists between ninja and civilians. We could then experiment with what internal/external factors would have to change for say, Yamanaka Ino, to treat said charismatic young man as a peer instead of a low-born. Perhaps we introduce them as a peer, and later reveal that they dont have chakra. Perhaps we let them encounter Ino in a controlled setting, and make a strong impression despite not being ninja.

We would then aggregate the learnings from multiple such projects into a long term plan-of-action that would let us define social change to go with the technological change causing Uplift. As a side benefit, our ninja friends would have civilian buddies, and be sympathetic to our cause.

Please @ people as necessary, idk which subsection of the thread would be interested in this.

TL; DR: More civvies as PC teammates?
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ashinator said:
We're a clan and a family, but also a team. I don't see any problem with recruiting people for the cause as semi-independent agents that are neither clan nor family. If anything, we want Uplift to be its own thing and not necessarily interlinked with a clan, family or village. We want to define objectives loosely, and see if civvies might consider creative approaches we wouldn't have considered.
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I agree that we should be doing this, but "team" is a bad word to describe these people. What you're talking about is establishing a popular movement driven by the Uplift ideology. Something that will be broadly aligned with our goals, but not directly subject to our will. But then, we should really start by defining said ideology, its core principles, goals, symbols, the works. At the moment, we have one crazy speech by an idealistic teenager before the gathered elites of the Elemental Nations. A good start, but not nearly enough.
 
And that speech was utterly undercut, right?

Like:

"I am dedicated to everyone doing alright, even those not ninja...

By the by, we made sure that only Konoha and its hangers on made it into this tournament, and we will be bragging about that throughout."
 
Roomba said:
I agree that we should be doing this, but "team" is a bad word to describe these people. What you're talking about is establishing a popular movement driven by the Uplift ideology. Something that will be broadly aligned with our goals, but not directly subject to our will. But then, we should really start by defining said ideology, its core principles, goals, symbols, the works. At the moment, we have one crazy speech by an idealistic teenager before the gathered elites of the Elemental Nations. A good start, but not nearly enough.
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I think we should run some real world experiments that help us define a robust set of goals and principles. Getting civilian accomplices would facilitate that.

That being said, which parts of the our speech stick is probably going to be up in the air. Now that I think about it, helping villages on our way back with walls and such might have made a very strong statement (Leaf cares for all civilians, not just Leaf).
 
MMKII said:
Por que no los dos?
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Because if you try to control it, it's going to be (correctly) seen as property of the Goketsu Clan, and Leaf by extension. Therefore robbing it of any pretense of universalism.

I'll go even further and claim that we want Uplift follower circles to form in villages opposed to Leaf and disavow us publicly. As long as they're working towards the same broadly understood goals, we shouldn't care that we aren't giving them orders.
 
Roomba said:
Because if you try to control it, it's going to be (correctly) seen as property of the Goketsu Clan, and Leaf by extension. Therefore robbing it of any pretense of universalism.

I'll go even further and claim that we want Uplift follower circles to form in villages opposed to Leaf and disavow us publicly. As long as they're working towards the same broadly understood goals, we shouldn't care that we aren't giving them orders.
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My point--ill communicated through the meme phrase though it was-- was that instead of having one organization beholden (?) to us, we can just create more than one organization dedicated towards achieving our goals.

Orochimaru has a couple different variations on his mednin Multi Level Marketing thing for example. No reason we can't do that with both public and clandestine organizations. Some of which are affiliated with us, some aren't.
 
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faflec said:
He has a Lightning affinity, but we don't know if that's his natural element.
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Akane is fire, right? Then the kiddos and Kagome combined form Captain Planet. Captain EN? Captain "All our chakra natures combined still add to less than Jiraiya's"?

Another upside of everyone rushing chakra capacity for SC is that, afterwards, if we decide to learn another element we'll actually have enough chakra to use it as well.
 
Halberdier said:
Akane is fire, right? Then the kiddos and Kagome combined form Captain Planet. Captain EN? Captain "All our chakra natures combined still add to less than Jiraiya's"?

Another upside of everyone rushing chakra capacity for SC is that, afterwards, if we decide to learn another element we'll actually have enough chakra to use it as well.
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