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I don't think we're allowed to tell Akane exactly what happened since she wasn't cleared to know about the original Battle of the Gods (if I remember correctly). Otherwise I agree.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I don't think we're allowed to tell Akane exactly what happened since she wasn't cleared to know about the original Battle of the Gods (if I remember correctly). Otherwise I agree.
Cariyaga
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Disagreed. If we're telling Kagome and Mari, we should tell Akane too. I have no interest in going back on Hazou's assertion to treat her as a continued part of Team Uplift regardless of whether she's part of the clan or not.
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I think your model of what is in the Hyuga clan's interests right now, and what Hinata Hyuga or whoever is nominated to be clan head, is not correct.
Right now, the Hyuga are at an unprecedented peak of their strength, and their former rivals have all just about died out. Their current emphasis, therefore, is to either crush or subvert all their potential rivals to secure power in its totality; our independence, as the most visible clan in opposition, is therefore too high a cost for them to want to pay.
It isn't that we can't be useful as an entity. It's that our independence makes us too much of a thorn in their side to tolerate, as they begin the process of removing thorns.
For one, it's kind of the expectation; note how all the clanless ninja we've been interacting with have noted that C-Rank missions tend to get sucked up by the clan ninja as soon as they appear, leaving only the D-Ranks and the dregs of the C-Ranks for the clanless ninja. I feel like we should generally be able to tap into those same networks.
In the worst case, however, we can always literally just pay for the mission itself; it's not like we don't have methods to enact it regardless.
Emstar
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The Team is not the Clan. This is a Clan Thing and not a Team Thing.
This is an important distinction. If we just told everyone stuff based on how Hazou feels about them we would have blurted out all our secrets to Hana fifty chapters or so ago.
Cariyaga
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It is absolutely not a Clan thing. It's a Konoha-wide thing. We're telling Akane because we can trust her not to blab and she deserves to know the status of her head of state.
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Tell everyone then
If you tell Akane, Jiraiya will find out. If Jiraiya finds out, he will remember that she knows enough blackmail to cost him the hat. If the paranoid spymaster remembers that sword over his head, he will act to remove it.
This is how you end up with a disguised Mari painting plausible lies from Yakuza on the wall in Akane's fresh blood.
Cariyaga
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Emstar
The Shining One
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If its a Konoha wide thing, why don't we tell all of Konoha then?
OPSEC dictates that we don't tell anyone who don't need to know. Does Akane needs to know? No.
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I don't think the Hyuuga are literally bribing people at the missions desk to get good missions. Rather the people at the missions desk assign missions based on political motivations. You don't send clan ninja on bad missions with low success rates, or grueling conditions because doing so often enough would cause political instability.
If there is bribery going on, it's probably more of the you scratch my back I'll scratch yours method, as opposed to the "Here's 50 explosive seals if you do what I ask you to do" type method. It would have to be something that couldn't be traced back to us without reasonable deniability, I would assume.
Also, does paying for a mission mean that we can designate who goes on that mission?
Cariyaga
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Emstar
The Shining One
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This is a necessary but not sufficient condition to obtain this knowledge, yes.
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I agree; I just thought that "bribery should not be easily traced" should've been implied, but thank you for clarifying. I intended the back-scratching definition of bribery, with some plausible deniability.
Presumably, if we're paying, we get to designate who goes on the mission.
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Let's look at this from Akane's perspective though.
If we asked her "Do you want us to tell you highly classified information that you're not cleared to know, but the rest of the clan knows?" what do you think her answer would be?
I don't think she would want us to break OPSEC for her sake.
Also look at Noburi's example. He didn't tell us highly classified information despite us being in the same clan. I think we just have to accept that we're in the military and we can't share everything with everyone, even if we care about them.
If we asked her "Do you want us to tell you highly classified information that you're not cleared to know, but the rest of the clan knows?" what do you think her answer would be?
I don't think she would want us to break OPSEC for her sake.
Also look at Noburi's example. He didn't tell us highly classified information despite us being in the same clan. I think we just have to accept that we're in the military and we can't share everything with everyone, even if we care about them.
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Emstar
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As always, Noburi remains the Truest Exemplar of shinobi values.
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Yeah this. Akane made her decision, and that decision carries implications with it.
Cariyaga
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Made what decision?
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To not be a basically-pending-member of the clan, which is her decision to make - but it also means she doesn't get to know clan things.
Orthogonal to short term strategy, I had some things in mind that might help shape things in the ~50 chapter or thereabouts range.
So far in the story, most of the major personalities we've encountered have been ninja, with civilians sharing the role of targets, innocent bystander, damsel in distress, and sometimes yakuza overlord.
Whilst not denying that Plan Uplift, being in the Narutoverse, must involve chakra/ninja in some major way, I do believe we need to recruit civilians and experiment with whether we can have them play an active role in the story.
To that end, I would like for us to float certain civilian candidate profiles in known circles. Something along the lines of "If you know a person who meets criteria X, send a message to the Goketsu clan. We'll reimburse you for the costs, with a cherry on top." Specifically, I would like to search for civilians that can help us define a new status quo for the world we want to live in.
Eg. We can recruit a charismatic young man, fifteen years of age, independent and resourceful, but relatively ignorant of the giant social divide that exists between ninja and civilians. We could then experiment with what internal/external factors would have to change for say, Yamanaka Ino, to treat said charismatic young man as a peer instead of a low-born. Perhaps we introduce them as a peer, and later reveal that they dont have chakra. Perhaps we let them encounter Ino in a controlled setting, and make a strong impression despite not being ninja.
We would then aggregate the learnings from multiple such projects into a long term plan-of-action that would let us define social change to go with the technological change causing Uplift. As a side benefit, our ninja friends would have civilian buddies, and be sympathetic to our cause.
Please @ people as necessary, idk which subsection of the thread would be interested in this.
TL; DR: More civvies as PC teammates?
So far in the story, most of the major personalities we've encountered have been ninja, with civilians sharing the role of targets, innocent bystander, damsel in distress, and sometimes yakuza overlord.
Whilst not denying that Plan Uplift, being in the Narutoverse, must involve chakra/ninja in some major way, I do believe we need to recruit civilians and experiment with whether we can have them play an active role in the story.
To that end, I would like for us to float certain civilian candidate profiles in known circles. Something along the lines of "If you know a person who meets criteria X, send a message to the Goketsu clan. We'll reimburse you for the costs, with a cherry on top." Specifically, I would like to search for civilians that can help us define a new status quo for the world we want to live in.
Eg. We can recruit a charismatic young man, fifteen years of age, independent and resourceful, but relatively ignorant of the giant social divide that exists between ninja and civilians. We could then experiment with what internal/external factors would have to change for say, Yamanaka Ino, to treat said charismatic young man as a peer instead of a low-born. Perhaps we introduce them as a peer, and later reveal that they dont have chakra. Perhaps we let them encounter Ino in a controlled setting, and make a strong impression despite not being ninja.
We would then aggregate the learnings from multiple such projects into a long term plan-of-action that would let us define social change to go with the technological change causing Uplift. As a side benefit, our ninja friends would have civilian buddies, and be sympathetic to our cause.
Please @ people as necessary, idk which subsection of the thread would be interested in this.
TL; DR: More civvies as PC teammates?
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So if we're going to go down this path, what type of favors can we reasonably trade the desk ninja?
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1. Remember their name and address them by it. Treating people with basic courtesy is something that surprisingly few ninja do, us included, and it's probably going to give us huge benefits.
2. Take interest in them specifically, whether there's something we can do for them out of the goodness of our hearts.
3. Give them small gifts, like homecooked stuff when we can. Nothing big, just a small stream of steadily increased indebtedness.
4. Let them figure out how they want to repay the debt they feel.
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I think this is something we should do before offering the ability to set people up on nicer missions. We should build the relationship with the desk ninja and then use that relationship to our advantage.
I don't think we can assume that these steps will work on everyone. So we should first find a good mark, and then make sure they're receptive before we offer this service to the clanless ninja.
Also if the upcoming battle goes wrong, it's possible that Konoha is in full-alert mode and no one is getting easy missions because all hands are on deck. In which case our offer would be for nothing.
Edit: I don't think this is necessarily a bad idea overall... I just think it's a bad idea right now.
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I really like the idea of inviting prominent civilians to one of our infamous game nights. Though we should probably keep them away from the games where everybody can cheat.
edit: sorry for posting twice in a row, didn't think about it before I did it. I'm not sure what SV ediquite is on that.