Meanwhile in about five different minor villages.

"Why is the Hokage's son sending you letters?"

"I don't know, sir. Probably to continue building on past amicable relations, sir."

"I order you to be his friend."

"Yes, sir."
 
Just a note we have 11 days till we're supposed to be back in Hidden Mountain. Should probably start making up with Kei and solidifying a plan to pitch to Jiraiya
 
Just a note we have 11 days till we're supposed to be back in Hidden Mountain. Should probably start making up with Kei and solidifying a plan to pitch to Jiraiya

If I recall correctly, that was more of a "don't come back for a year at least" rather than "we're having tea 365 days from now, don't be late". I doubt anything bad is going to happen if we're a few weeks late.

On the other hand, Hidden Mountain might be a card Jiraiya will want to play in order to prop up his bid for the hat. In that case, though, he'll bring it up on his own.
 
If I recall correctly, that was more of a "don't come back for a year at least" rather than "we're having tea 365 days from now, don't be late". I doubt anything bad is going to happen if we're a few weeks late.

On the other hand, Hidden Mountain might be a card Jiraiya will want to play in order to prop up his bid for the hat. In that case, though, he'll bring it up on his own.
While true, is there anything useful we can do in the meantime?

I don't think a victory tour is really that worthwhile time-wise, and would be of marginal benefit. You can try to convince me otherwise, but I am quite skeptical that this is worth the time investment besides serving as a bit of a feel-good thing.
 
If I recall correctly, that was more of a "don't come back for a year at least" rather than "we're having tea 365 days from now, don't be late". I doubt anything bad is going to happen if we're a few weeks late.

On the other hand, Hidden Mountain might be a card Jiraiya will want to play in order to prop up his bid for the hat. In that case, though, he'll bring it up on his own.

Honestly this stance upsets me so much. Because when I tried to get ahead of this by making plans to contact Mountain ahead of the year long absence in the month long break a large contingent of players said we had to wait till exactly a year has passed.

Also the diplomatic relations with Mountain is something that team uplift needs to be intimately involved in. Since we are the only people who have any experience with them. If we get ahead of Jiraiya and pitch our own plan we can shape how negotiations will go.
 
Honestly this stance upsets me so much. Because when I tried to get ahead of this by making plans to contact Mountain ahead of the year long absence in the month long break a large contingent of players said we had to wait till exactly a year has passed.

Also the diplomatic relations with Mountain is something that team uplift needs to be intimately involved in. Since we are the only people who have any experience with them. If we get ahead of Jiraiya and pitch our own plan we can shape how negotiations will go.

What exactly do we get out of this? I don't want to deal with Mountain folks.
 
What exactly do we get out of this? I don't want to deal with Mountain folks.

Ideally several hundred Ninja personally loyal to Kei who we can send out on missions. A clan of sealmasters who can start researching whatever we want. A generation of young Ninjas that we can teach using Kagome's methods. A new market to trade with to circumvent the merchant council. An opportunity to practice politics and negotiations with meaningful stakes
 
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While true, is there anything useful we can do in the meantime?

I don't think a victory tour is really that worthwhile time-wise, and would be of marginal benefit. You can try to convince me otherwise, but I am quite skeptical that this is worth the time investment besides serving as a bit of a feel-good thing.

It's not so much that we have anything useful to do in the meantime, as the Keiko situation making this very awkward. I don't want to rush that because we think we need to hurry for the Hidden Mountain deadline. Because there is effectively no deadline.

Also, what's a victory tour, and why would I want to convince you of its utility?

Honestly this stance upsets me so much. Because when I tried to get ahead of this by making plans to contact Mountain ahead of the year long absence in the month long break a large contingent of players said we had to wait till exactly a year has passed.

Also the diplomatic relations with Mountain is something that team uplift needs to be intimately involved in. Since we are the only people who have any experience with them. If we get ahead of Jiraiya and pitch our own plan we can shape how negotiations will go.

Sorry to have upset you, but my post really didn't have any hidden meaning. There is no deadline, and there's no need to rush anything for it. In particular, trying to rush "making up with Kei" can have very bad results that I'd rather avoid. If it needs to take a month, then it should.

I know it can get frustrating to fight against the hivemind's inertia and conservatism, but I'm certainly not your enemy in this; we got to the Ami date, we'll get to Hidden Mountain as well. I can't say I'm looking forward to it that much, but it will be a good experience for Hazou's emerging political acumen, and I'm not going to pass on that.
 
So we send over Keiko to let her say "hello", "how are you", that sort of thing? Sounds like something that doesn't need to involve Hazō.
Sounds like you have other ideas as far as what we would be better off doing. Would you like to share?
Also, what's a victory tour, and why would I want to convince you of its utility?
Was it not you that wanted to do a victory uplift tour once we got back as a PR stunt and to get some good done? I coulda sworn...
 
Sorry to have upset you, but my post really didn't have any hidden meaning. There is no deadline, and there's no need to rush anything for it. In particular, trying to rush "making up with Kei" can have very bad results that I'd rather avoid. If it needs to take a month, then it should.

I know it can get frustrating to fight against the hivemind's inertia and conservatism, but I'm certainly not your enemy in this; we got to the Ami date, we'll get to Hidden Mountain as well. I can't say I'm looking forward to it that much, but it will be a good experience for Hazou's emerging political acumen, and I'm not going to pass on that.

Yeah I will be honest and say my frustration is largely a result of constantly pounding my head against the brick wall that is the hivemind's conservatism. Plus having the exact opposite argument used as to why we couldn't do it earlier.

Mostly right now I want to try to get the thread thinking about how we want to approach Mountain. It's not something that we should just let happen. We need to shape the narrative to achieve optimal results. We will need to reconcile with Kei regardless so personally think we should be spending some word count of each plan working on that.
 
Was it not you that wanted to do a victory uplift tour once we got back as a PR stunt and to get some good done? I coulda sworn...

I did, but I don't think I ever referred to it as a "victory tour", since it has nothing to do with anyone's victory. And that can wait, as well. It would be optimal to do it before everyone forgets about Hazou's speech, but it doesn't need to happen immediately after the tournament. Much like Hidden Mountain, there's no deadline.

As for the utility of it, would it help you to think of the whole thing as practical experience in leading and organizing people for Hazou? I understand that you, and a lot of other posters, look at this idea and think "Why can't we just pay other people to do this?". PR and image are one answer to this, precisely because of this calculus - if the heir of Leaf's ruling clan bothers to spend his own, precious time, running around the Fire Nation, building walls and solving disputes, as opposed to just paying someone to do it for him, then the whole venture carries more weight in the eyes of observers.

But there's a second answer, and it's that doing this personally will help Hazou himself. I think there's a growing awareness in the thread that a major reason for Hazou's social woes is that he's basically spent two years in relative isolation, in the company of the same 5 people. Well, here's an opportunity to fix that a bit. Similarly, essentially acting as a traveling judge should do wonders for his ability to read people and their motivations and experience small-scale politics, all with incredibly low risk. And finally, the whole Uplift idea came about as a result of Hazou actually spending time helping people. You want him to grow more of a spine and a stronger conviction? Let's do that again. It's been quite a while since we have, after all.

I'm also willing to support other ways of getting out of the Goketsu compound in Leaf and interacting with the village on a variety of levels. As is, we're more isolated, as a clan and as individuals, than I'm comfortable with.
 
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I did, but I don't think I ever referred to it as a "victory tour", since it has nothing to do with anyone's victory. And that can wait, as well. It would be optimal to do it before everyone forgets about Hazou's speech, but it doesn't need to happen immediately after the tournament. Much like Hidden Mountain, there's no deadline.

As for the utility of it, would it help you to think of the whole thing as practical experience in leading and organizing people for Hazou? I understand that you, and a lot of other posters, look at this idea and think "Why can't we just pay other people to do this?". PR and image are one answer to this, precisely because of this calculus - if the heir of Leaf's ruling clan bothers to spend his own, precious time, running around the Fire Nation, building walls and solving disputes, as opposed to just paying someone to do it for him, then the whole venture carries more weight in the eyes of observers.

But there's a second answer, and it's that doing this personally will help Hazou himself. I think there's a growing awareness in the thread that a major reason for Hazou's social woes is that he's basically spent two years in relative isolation, in the company of the same 5 people. Well, here's an opportunity to fix that a bit. Similarly, essentially acting as a traveling judge should do wonders for his ability to read people and their motivations and experience small-scale politics, all with incredibly low risk. And finally, the whole Uplift idea came about as a result of Hazou actually spending time helping people. You want him to grow more of a spine and a stronger conviction? Let's do that again. It's been quite a while since we have, after all.

I'm also willing to support other ways of getting out of the Goketsu compound in Leaf and interacting with the village on a variety of levels. As is, we're more isolated, as a clan and as individuals, than I'm comfortable with.
I'm not sure Keiko would be happy with going off gallivanting with a bunch of people she doesn't know, tbh.
 
I'm not sure Keiko would be happy with going off gallivanting with a bunch of people she doesn't know, tbh.

I wasn't really planning on bringing her or Noburi along, to be honest. Well, we can, but I think it's going to be more educational for Hazou to not be able to lean on their support, for a change.
 
I did, but I don't think I ever referred to it as a "victory tour", since it has nothing to do with anyone's victory. And that can wait, as well. It would be optimal to do it before everyone forgets about Hazou's speech, but it doesn't need to happen immediately after the tournament. Much like Hidden Mountain, there's no deadline.
It's been referred to as a "Victory Tour" before in passing. Regardless, thats the thing I mean.
As for the utility of it, would it help you to think of the whole thing as practical experience in leading and organizing people for Hazou? I understand that you, and a lot of other posters, look at this idea and think "Why can't we just pay other people to do this?". PR and image are one answer to this, precisely because of this calculus - if the heir of Leaf's ruling clan bothers to spend his own, precious time, running around the Fire Nation, building walls and solving disputes, as opposed to just paying someone to do it for him, then the whole venture carries more weight in the eyes of observers.

I have addressed the PR aspect previously (peasant opinions[unfortunately] don't matter, etc.) and I would estimate that this would decrease the general opinion most ninja have of us, if the reaction to that speech was anything to go by. FMPOV the only worthwhile aspect of this is increasing relations with the general clanless nin population, and that we could do by just paying folks to do it.

But there's a second answer, and it's that doing this personally will help Hazou himself. I think there's a growing awareness in the thread that a major reason for Hazou's social woes is that he's basically spent two years in relative isolation, in the company of the same 5 people. Well, here's an opportunity to fix that a bit. Similarly, essentially acting as a traveling judge should do wonders for his ability to read people and their motivations and experience small-scale politics, all with incredibly low risk. And finally, the whole Uplift idea came about as a result of Hazou actually spending time helping people. You want him to grow more of a spine and a stronger conviction? Let's do that again. It's been quite a while since we have, after all.

I am unsure of how effective this would be in remedying his social problems. His issues are that he acts quite awkwardly with his peers and superiors in casual settings. He's pretty good at the leadership schtick, and I don't see how him making decisions from a position of power will necessarily help him out on either of those fronts. It will give him more IC experience with the more bureaucratic types of decisions that would need to be made, and perhaps it would bump up his legal-fu skill.

That said, many other things would be more direct paths to solving this. I don't see why we couldn't just organize this entire thing on our own time with some clanless kids, deal with all of the leadership challenges that are sure to arise there, and do it all while getting a bunch of other stuff done at the same time, instead of running around the woods all day.

I'm also willing to support other ways of getting out of the Goketsu compound in Leaf and interacting with the village on a variety of levels. As is, we're more isolated, as a clan and as individuals, than I'm comfortable with.
On that we are in full agreement, provided we get our X days a week of research in and cram everything else in to the (7-X) days of the week, on weeks where we are researching stuff.
 
It's been referred to as a "Victory Tour" before in passing. Regardless, thats the thing I mean.


I have addressed the PR aspect previously (peasant opinions[unfortunately] don't matter, etc.) and I would estimate that this would decrease the general opinion most ninja have of us, if the reaction to that speech was anything to go by. FMPOV the only worthwhile aspect of this is increasing relations with the general clanless nin population, and that we could do by just paying folks to do it.



I am unsure of how effective this would be in remedying his social problems. His issues are that he acts quite awkwardly with his peers and superiors in casual settings. He's pretty good at the leadership schtick, and I don't see how him making decisions from a position of power will necessarily help him out on either of those fronts. It will give him more IC experience with the more bureaucratic types of decisions that would need to be made, and perhaps it would bump up his legal-fu skill.

That said, many other things would be more direct paths to solving this. I don't see why we couldn't just organize this entire thing on our own time with some clanless kids, deal with all of the leadership challenges that are sure to arise there, and do it all while getting a bunch of other stuff done at the same time, instead of running around the woods all day.


On that we are in full agreement, provided we get our X days a week of research in and cram everything else in to the (7-X) days of the week, on weeks where we are researching stuff.
7. There are 7 days of research necessary. Well, more accurately, it goes in 4 day cycles.
 
I don't understand this fascination with summoning the rift denizens to stop the pangolin reich. It's prime real estate, we should be conquering it ourselves.
 
Yeah I will be honest and say my frustration is largely a result of constantly pounding my head against the brick wall that is the hivemind's conservatism. Plus having the exact opposite argument used as to why we couldn't do it earlier.

Mostly right now I want to try to get the thread thinking about how we want to approach Mountain. It's not something that we should just let happen. We need to shape the narrative to achieve optimal results. We will need to reconcile with Kei regardless so personally think we should be spending some word count of each plan working on that.
Did we ever figure out what the tapirs were there for? It might be important to take into account that there might somehow be a connection with the tapir summoner/tribe.
 
Chapter 247 Part 1: Onimushi
Chapter 247 Part 1: Onimushi

December 26, morning, a few hours before Keiko's match.

"To my rrrrright, we have Akimichi Chōji! The towering titan of terror! The man with iron flesh that shrugs off the strongest taijutsu! The ultimate gourmand who feasts on victory while his enemies drown in the waters of defeat! Hold on tight to your seats, because today his footsteps are going to shake the earth!

"To my lllleft, we have Aburame Shino! General of his own army, commander of creeping death, he reduces his enemies to dried-out husks without ever lifting a finger! No use begging for mercy, because his insects won't understand… and he won't care!"

Aburame stared blankly at Akimichi, who stared blankly back, their expressions concealed by a high collar in one case and a mask depicting a wrathful oni in the other. The demon had sharp horns, narrow snake-like slit pupils, giant bared fangs, and a long, twisted tongue that seemingly reached out to entangle the viewer. It somehow gave the impression of a roaring ape and a striking snake at the same time.

"You… are aware that my partners have no special interest in your face?" Aburame asked curiously. "And that, with your identity already known, this will in no way prevent your humiliating defeat from being made public?"

Akimichi offered no explanation.

"Are you sure you want to do this, Shino?" he asked in a kindly, muffled voice. "You know I have more than enough chakra to crush you before your insects can do anything, and nobody will blame you if you bow out now. You've already done your clan proud by making it this far, and sometimes people just get bad match-ups, you know?"

"Yes," Aburame said smugly. "Yes, I believe they do. Perhaps you should know that over the past week, my partners have been stealthily tasting your chakra, one insect at a time, in one body part at a time. I am well aware of your reserves, as well as a variety of other interesting details about your capabilities, and I think you should be the one to surrender. Why? Because we will be forced to drain your chakra at near maximum speed, and as I lack sensory powers myself, we may not be able to stop at exactly the right moment.

"The current crop of Hyūga medic-nin is still in training, and no one else can reliably repair damage to the chakra system. Undetectable damage that manifests only in the long term, and cannot be provably traced to a given source, does not qualify as maiming. Still, I have no desire to risk the health of a fellow Leaf shinobi if it can be avoided. Please choose surrender over the risk of permanent damage."

Akimichi's voice turned a little less kindly and more shaky. "You're bluffing," he insisted, "and you're not even good at it."

"Is that so?" Aburame asked calmly. "I suppose we will soon find out."

"All right, that's enough of that!" the judge snapped. "You're creeping out the audience. Get in there, you two!"

No sooner had she finished speaking than Akimichi was gone, and, looking over the edge, Aburame could already see a pair of giant grasping hands waiting to grab him as he came down.

"Substitution Technique!"

Lacking in easy targets within range, Aburame was forced to swap with a log almost within Akimichi's expanded reach. The oni mask grinned in anticipation. The hands reached out—

—then swiftly recoiled as Shino leapt backwards, leaving a vast cloud of insects in place. The audience leaned forwards, struggling to see past the dark, living miasma.

The insects reshaped themselves into twin blade-like formations, resembling nothing more than the mandibles of an ant. Akimichi froze for a second at the sight of the twin swarms bearing down on him, but forced himself into motion before the pincer movement could trap him completely. He rolled through the middle, towards Aburame, in a simultaneous dodge and attack… and towards one final group of insects that surged up from the grass, left there like an invisible bear trap in the seconds after Aburame's Substitution.

For a second, there was nothing visible but a black, writhing cylinder that had formerly been a ninja.

Then a giant arm burst out like an earth demon punching through solid rock. A fist opened, revealing a seal that must have been concealed in Akimichi's palm all along.

With one dramatic motion, Akimichi cast the seal at his feet, and it exploded into a long, red carpet in front of him. Without hesitation, he dropped onto it, and began to roll.

The screeching of the dying insects was loud enough to be heard from the stands, as rising smoke revealed the red of the carpet to be smouldering embers. Akimichi continued to roll up and down it as if oblivious to the heat.

Finally, he staggered up, perhaps a quarter of the insects still clinging to his charred uniform. It took him only a couple of seconds to spot the boulder behind which Aburame had concealed himself. He began a slow, heavy walk, heading inexorably for his opponent.

Aburame shifted to keep the boulder between himself and Akimichi—

—only to be punched viciously in the face as Akimichi's enhanced arm reached all the way around. Aburame flew through the air in a graceful arc, then hit the ground hard and kept going for a few metres from sheer momentum. It didn't look like he'd be getting up again.

Akimichi, his movements growing more sluggish with every step, reached Aburame's prone body, pulled back his fist for the finishing blow—

—and collapsed with a thud. His mask rolled away, knocked off by the impact, transforming him back from a vengeful demon into an ordinary mortal genin.

After several attempts, Aburame climbed to his feet, gave Akimichi's motionless form a wary look, then turned towards the audience and recalled his remaining insects. As they streamed into his sleeves, he picked up the cracked mask and held it aloft.

"He surrenders."

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This is (probably) not the entirety of the update, though it sure feels like one after all the planning and dice rolling and redoing the whole thing again because I miscalculated one thing. I don't know how @eaglejarl does it. I have a half-written draft for the rest which I'll try to whip into shape if I have time tomorrow.

Fair warning that either way the update will cut out early because I'm not sure you realised that Finals are today, and may want to replan accordingly.
 
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I have addressed the PR aspect previously (peasant opinions[unfortunately] don't matter, etc.) and I would estimate that this would decrease the general opinion most ninja have of us, if the reaction to that speech was anything to go by. FMPOV the only worthwhile aspect of this is increasing relations with the general clanless nin population, and that we could do by just paying folks to do it.

Of course it would decrease the general opinion most ninja have of us. The point is to act as a beacon to the few who care, and eventually see that number rise. Like, what do you see as the point of this whole project, increase the quality of life for Fire Nation civilians by X%, mission accomplished? Ultimately, what we need to change are attitudes of ninja towards civilians themselves, and that is only doable by presenting a viable alternative, not being afraid to challenge the status quo out loud.

Like, seriously, if the proverbial Haru Yamamoto accuses us of talking about Uplift without actually doing anything, do you think he's going to be satisfied with "I paid some people to do it for me"? I don't think Hazou himself will be satisfied with that.

I am unsure of how effective this would be in remedying his social problems. His issues are that he acts quite awkwardly with his peers and superiors in casual settings. He's pretty good at the leadership schtick, and I don't see how him making decisions from a position of power will necessarily help him out on either of those fronts. It will give him more IC experience with the more bureaucratic types of decisions that would need to be made, and perhaps it would bump up his legal-fu skill.

That said, many other things would be more direct paths to solving this. I don't see why we couldn't just organize this entire thing on our own time with some clanless kids, deal with all of the leadership challenges that are sure to arise there, and do it all while getting a bunch of other stuff done at the same time, instead of running around the woods all day.

Allright then, I guess we'll have to write some plans and see where the votes fall. Doesn't sound like there's much room for compromise.

For the record, when you talk about clanless kids, is that in reference to that idea about post-curricular training for academy students? I'm willing to trade support for that one for yours for the uplift tour, if you're willing.

On that we are in full agreement, provided we get our X days a week of research in and cram everything else in to the (7-X) days of the week, on weeks where we are researching stuff.

That entirely depends on what kind of research we're talking about, and what the expected utility of it is. I can see prioritizing a great many social activities over the chakra quantification proposal, for example, as the latter provides us little to no benefit, and is not unlikely to eat a significant amount of time.
 
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