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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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What a lovely plan we have here.

Valentines are coming, and it seems we'll be celebrating them with another girl.

I am just waiting with anticipation for our one and only to come and throw yet another wrench in our plans.
 
eaglejarl said:
Unless I missed a memo, the Iron Nerve reproduces the motions exactly as you made them. It explicitly does not allow you to do them faster.
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One could concievably get around this a bit by practicing writing each character very fast (less difficult to write 'fire' in the blink of an eye than a couple paragraphs in a minute, for example) and then just chaining the movements together.(Also one would have to have practiced this significantly in advance for it to be useful, I imagine.)

This would potentially reduce time but almost surely increase general effort expenditure: you would have to spend a lot of mental energy on the fly spamming different IN movements just to write something fast. Probably wouldn't help you much if you weren't good at composing stuff very very fast on the fly, so I don't know if such a thing would be at all useful besides for transcription or something, even if it was possible and didn't cause a siezure of some sort.
 
MMKII said:
I did have some interesting thoughts on using the IN to improved our general speed at certain tasks.

Ex1: If we have Hazou create a phonetic alphabet that doubles as shorthand and have him practice writing each individual character realllllly fast for a few days, we can just chain these together to write the whole message faster.

Ex2: If we have Hazou practice making the handsigns for his favorite jutsu reallly fast and saying the technique name reallly fast, that might work to help him cast things faster too once he has a really good one down. Though that might require some work practicing to mold the chakra at a high speed or something.

Not that I am trying to armwrestle anyone into implementing or even agreeing with the above at the moment, but its an interesting thing to think about, and we could perhaps make these little applications of the IN into Stunts down the road or something that require a decent amount of training/practicing to pick up, so that its less of a balance issue.
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We could have him try doing that during his downtime instead of making more explosive seals.
 
MMKII said:
Ex2: If we have Hazou practice making the handsigns for his favorite jutsu reallly fast and saying the technique name reallly fast, that might work to help him cast things faster too once he has a really good one down. Though that might require some work practicing to mold the chakra at a high speed or something.
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This one sounds like a good way to use IN. Odds are Hazo already does it and we just didn't bring it up though. Hand sign knowledge and speed is a thing considered even in canon so I would assume how fast you can throw them out is also a factor in quest. The chakra moulding is something to consider too of course but good chance IN speedy handsigns can shave off a couple seconds when using jutsu. That can mean life and death in a ninja fight.
 
Clarification regarding the the bay: Mist itself is landlocked. The bay, while considered to be part of the village for general purposes, is well outside the village bounds. This is not a logistical problem given ninja speed, but is worth bearing in mind.
 
Velorien said:
Clarification regarding the the bay: Mist itself is landlocked. The bay, while considered to be part of the village for general purposes, is well outside the village bounds. This is not a logistical problem given ninja speed, but is worth bearing in mind.
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eaglejarl said:
Team Uplift waited in the shadows of a warehouse until a gap between patrols coincided with a cloud passing in front of the moon, then raced forward to the water's edge and out onto the surface of the massive half-circle bay on which Mist was built.
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So um...how is the bay not part of the Mist village if it was built on the bay?
 
eaglejarl said:
Unless I missed a memo, the Iron Nerve reproduces the motions exactly as you made them. It explicitly does not allow you to do them faster.
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I believe you or one of the other QM's said something about
the iron nerve only allowing very small adjustments to recorded motions and completely failing when there's to much deviation from the original set of motions.

Does that mean Hazo can do larger adjustments over a longer time by incrementally recording lots of small changes?
 
Icingdeath said:
I believe you or one of the other QM's said something about
the iron nerve only allowing very small adjustments to recorded motions and completely failing when there's to much deviation from the original set of motions.

Does that mean Hazo can do larger adjustments over a longer time by incrementally recording lots of small changes?
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I don't think we can record Iron Nerve movements with the Iron Nerve.
 
Icingdeath said:
I believe you or one of the other QM's said something about
the iron nerve only allowing very small adjustments to recorded motions and completely failing when there's to much deviation from the original set of motions.

Does that mean Hazo can do larger adjustments over a longer time by incrementally recording lots of small changes?
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I doubt it, since the Iron Nerve would be 'replaying' in that case, rather than 'recording' natural inputs.
 
Here again, with a daily update of THE WIKI.

This time, sadly, less work than usual was done. I blame sleepiness.
I focused on three pages, with minor additions to other stuff:
-Mori Keiko (or Gōketsu Keiko now) got stuff on her page. Plenty of holes left, and even more [quotes and references to find at a later date], but it's there.
-Kagome Yuu got a revamp as well. Again, a rough draft more than a finish, but info about our heroes is far more diffused, and as such- harder to find.
-Memes got it's own page now! Soon, it may even overtake Nonumero's list in breadth and depth. Are spoons still a thing that QMs use, and still need more of?

As always, if you have some spare time and wish to build an up-to-date repository of knowledge- take a page, make an edit.
 
firestorm440 said:
It could perfectly well be able to self-edit. Of course, that ends up being a QM fiat question.
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I've asked this before.

Allow me to put on my faflec hat:

MMKII said:
@faflec

Iron nerve stuff:
1) Can we be selective when using the IN (i.e., does it reproduce the full body worth of body language/motion each time, or can we save and recall individual muscle movements?)
- - My answer: I think we've done individual expressions before that don't necessarily reproduce the entire body-scan worth of muscle movements during that time, so probably the latter.
2) Can we play multiple movements back at the same time ?
3)Does the Iron Nerve record our movements when we're using movements form the Iron Nerve?


If so, the following is maybe valid (I can only express this succinctly with psuedo code).

Say Hazou wants to practice his smile. He also wants to practice giving a nice peace sign. He practices and commits the movements to the IN. This looks like:

Smile.IN := IronNerve.SAVE( [Smile] )
PeaceSign.IN := IronNerve.SAVE ([Peace Sign])

If he wants to play these back, he has to do:

IronNerve.PLAY(Smile.IN)
or
IronNerve.PLAY(PeaceSign.IN)

Now, Hazou could try doing both at once, and then saving that. This would have him do:

SmileAndPeaceSign.IN := IronNerve.SAVE([Smile,Peace Sign] )

where the compounding difficulty on this, is of course the original complex (relatively) reproduction of smiling and peace sign-ing at the same time. Doing two things at once is harder than doing either separately, so it would be harder to get the ideal movement saved up here compared to the individual ones. Replace "Smile" and "Peace Sign" with two complicated things now: "Expression of wide eyed incredulity" and "convincing staggering step backwards".

But if we can save Iron Nerve replays back to the Iron Nerve, and Iron Nerve replays can be played back locally (one muscle at a time), then we could just do:

SmileAndPeaceSign.IN := IronNerve.SAVE( [ IronNerve.PLAY(Smile.IN) , IronNerve.PLAY(PeaceSign.IN) ] )

Which will just concatenate two separate movements into a single one. The catch here is that you can cheese things a bit by practicing a lot of movements for (roughly) separate muscle groups and then throw them all together at once, and you don't actually have to worry about naturally getting the combined movement right, just that the finished product doesn't look janky.

Maybe this is something we already do though. I dunno.

I would imagine someone has suggested this already, but c'est la vie.
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Velorien said:
It does allow for a certain degree of isolation, hence why Hazō is able to look up at Mari-sensei while his arm continues drawing seals, despite the fact that when he originally recorded the action he had his eyes pointed at the page the whole time.

Note that it can only isolate relatively large groups of muscles at a time -- a limb, the face, etc -- and there is a limited degree of workable variance. Exceeding the variance will cause the replay to fail.

Growing up, Hana warned you that breaking a replay can have major health implications, including seizures, coma, and possibly even death. She wasn't too specific about it and Hazō never felt the desire to push the boundaries.

In theory, yes, but not of the same body part. Moreover, trying to combine different motions can end up simply not working. If you are (e.g.) replaying a block and a kick at the same time then there's no guarantee that the body mechanics will work together. You could end up simply falling on your butt because the two actions move your center of balance in incompatible ways that weren't an issue when the two original motions were performed separately.


No.
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eaglejarl said:
Unless I missed a memo, the Iron Nerve reproduces the motions exactly as you made them. It explicitly does not allow you to do them faster.
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Then what if you kept practicing to speed through a set of jutsu handsigns correctly, got the fastest you could do them in one try, and just always used your fastest timed handsigns whenever you use that specific jutsu?

For example, Hazo takes some time to practice going through the MEW jutsu handsigns as fast as possible while still correct. He ends up breaking a record for himself and does it a couple seconds faster on one of his tries than he did on most of the other tries. He now uses that specific set of movements with IN everytime he uses MEW and it lets him throw out the jutsu faster.

Is that possible?
 
I figure one of the major academy courses is something along the lines of 'how to make a half-dozen handseals in the space of a single second' and is all about making sure everyone can consistently get their jutsu fired as fast as possible.

If so, then any Iron Nerve-augmented bonuses would be marginal and likely not worth representing mechanically.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I figure one of the major academy courses is something along the lines of 'how to make a half-dozen handseals in the space of a single second' and is all about making sure everyone can consistently get their jutsu fired as fast as possible.

If so, then any Iron Nerve-augmented bonuses would be marginal and likely not worth representing mechanically.
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Yeah, manual dexterity (don't laugh, Mari) is pretty important for ninja.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
It's already past deadline, I believe.
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Oh.

I mean, what is the worst most annoying-thing-that-is-still-within-reason that could happen?

INO: Hazou, hey listen. Hazou, hey, hey, Hazou. Tell me about how you made Keiko cry.

HAZOU: No.

INO: Hazou, come on!

HAZOU: No.

INO: Hazou!

HAZOU: OK, you make a great argument. Here is what happened...

-o-o-o-
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KEIKO: Good evening, blood traitor.

HAZOU: Umm. *looks behind him at the off chance she was talking about Noburi instead, but no luck*

KEIKO: Did you know that Shikamaru tells me everything now that he has been sufficiently chastened by my demonstration of what I would do to his wood if he kept me in the dark? I assume you know what I am talking about, don't you?

HAZOU: Uh, I don't suppose you could wait around 12 to 24 hours for me to come up with a plan?

KEIKO: What do you think?

HAZOU: I-

KEIKO: He told me all sorts of interesting things. Like how Ino knew more about your plans regarding Ami than you volunteered to me. Her sister. You still remember what that is, right? What with how little consideration you give yours?

HAZOU: I can explain!

KEIKO: Really? Alright, go ahead.

HAZOU: It was one sentence!

KEIKO: One sentence? You only told her one sentence?

HAZOU: Yes- no, I mean. I only forgot one sentence in my plan and it all went haywire. Just one!

KEIKO: Well, in that case... I forgive you.

HAZOU: ...really?

KEIKO: Absolutely. Just as long as I get to say one sentence as well.​

HAZOU: That sounds fair. Thank you for being so understanding, Keiko.

KEIKO: No problem. Are you ready? Here it is: 'Summoning Technique: Panjadrum-Sitting-On-Imbecile-Brother Variation.'

HAZOU: Oww, my everything!

KEIKO: That should do it. *begins to walk away, then stops and turns back to Hazou* Actually, dearest brother of mine, what is your favorite color?
 
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Tua said:
Oh.

I mean, what is the worst most annoying-thing-that-is-still-within-reason that could happen?

INO: Hazou, hey listen. Hazou, hey, hey, Hazou. Tell me about how you made Keiko cry.

HAZOU: No.

INO: Hazou, come on!

HAZOU: No.

INO: Hazou!

HAZOU: OK, you make a great argument. Here is what happened...

-o-o-o-
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KEIKO: Good evening, blood traitor.

HAZOU: Umm. *looks behind him at the off chance she was talking about Noburi instead but no luck*

KEIKO: Did you know that Shikamaru tells me everything now that he has been sufficiently chastened by my demonstration of what I would do to his wood if he kept me in the dark? I assume you know what I am talking about, don't you?

HAZOU: Uh, I don't suppose you could wait around 12 to 24 hours for me to come up with a plan?

KEIKO: What do you think?

HAZOU: I-

KEIKO: He told me all sorts of interesting things. Like how Ino knew more about your plans regarding Ami than you volunteered to me. Her sister. You still remember what those are, right? What with how little consideration you give yours?

HAZOU: I can explain!

KEIKO: Really? Alright, go ahead.

HAZOU: It was one sentence!

KEIKO: One sentence? You only told her one sentence?

HAZOU: Yes- no, I mean. I only forgot one sentence in my plan and it all went haywire. Just one!

KEIKO: Well, in that case... I forgive you.

HAZOU: ...really?

KEIKO: Absolutely. Just as long as I get to say one sentence as well.​

HAZOU: That sounds fair. Thank you for being so understanding, Keiko.

KEIKO: No problem. Are you ready? Here it is: 'Summoning Technique: Panjadrum-Sitting-On-Imbecile-Brother Variation.'

HAZOU: Oww, my everything!

KEIKO: That should do it. *begins to walk away, then stops and turns back to Hazou* Actually, dearest brother of mine, what is your favorite color?
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Is it blue? I feel like Hazo would be a blue kind of guy. Or green, I could see green being his favorite.
 
Tua said:
Oh.

I mean, what is the worst most annoying-thing-that-is-still-within-reason that could happen?

INO: Hazou, hey listen. Hazou, hey, hey, Hazou. Tell me about how you made Keiko cry.

HAZOU: No.

INO: Hazou, come on!

HAZOU: No.

INO: Hazou!

HAZOU: OK, you make a great argument. Here is what happened...

-o-o-o-
​
KEIKO: Good evening, blood traitor.

HAZOU: Umm. *looks behind him at the off chance she was talking about Noburi instead but no luck*

KEIKO: Did you know that Shikamaru tells me everything now that he has been sufficiently chastened by my demonstration of what I would do to his wood if he kept me in the dark? I assume you know what I am talking about, don't you?

HAZOU: Uh, I don't suppose you could wait around 12 to 24 hours for me to come up with a plan?

KEIKO: What do you think?

HAZOU: I-

KEIKO: He told me all sorts of interesting things. Like how Ino knew more about your plans regarding Ami than you volunteered to me. Her sister. You still remember what those are, right? What with how little consideration you give yours?

HAZOU: I can explain!

KEIKO: Really? Alright, go ahead.

HAZOU: It was one sentence!

KEIKO: One sentence? You only told her one sentence?

HAZOU: Yes- no, I mean. I only forgot one sentence in my plan and it all went haywire. Just one!

KEIKO: Well, in that case... I forgive you.

HAZOU: ...really?

KEIKO: Absolutely. Just as long as I get to say one sentence as well.​

HAZOU: That sounds fair. Thank you for being so understanding, Keiko.

KEIKO: No problem. Are you ready? Here it is: 'Summoning Technique: Panjadrum-Sitting-On-Imbecile-Brother Variation.'

HAZOU: Oww, my everything!

KEIKO: That should do it. *begins to walk away, then stops and turns back to Hazou* Actually, dearest brother of mine, what is your favorite color?
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I mean, I didn't really feel like getting into it before but the phrase "If pressed further" clearly implies a similar reaction to all subsequent attempts, which is quite different than "If pressed a second time." (and is less ambigious than "If pressed again." which can be taken to mean just the second time if you are a particularly dickish literal genie, but at that point you may as well stop trying to gainsay the genie because you're likely fucked no matter what!) from my reading.
 
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