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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Briefvoice said:
Well it's not just time for money. The Mist Yakuza proved to be extremely valuable contacts during the Chuunin Exams, to the point where I'm fairly sure we benefited far more than they did. Demonstrating to them that their investment has some payoff and the relationship should be continued has a value on its own.

Besides, Casino seals would be highly useful to the yakuza but they aren't likely to need all that many of them, especially if reusable. A few dozen would likely cover conceivable needs.
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Yeah, if we can approach them with a single suitably large batch and agree to a price that they find very favourable, that will go a long way to paying off all the generosity they've shown us. That, I'd be okay with, and it sounds like a nice proactive thing we can do to further our goals (assuming they're in the market for them, which we should look into).

Inferno Vulpix said:
Side Project Order of Operations: Because we have way too many to easily keep track of.
  1. Kagome's birthday present
  2. Get other combat seals approved.
  3. Kabuto Research Proposal
Sealing/Research queue:
  1. Larger Storage Seals/Better Macerators (more detail on goals needed)
  2. Mountain Seals et al. [When Jiraiya is available]
  3. Black Paper Seals (Skywalker viability?)
  4. Movable Force Walls
  5. Purifier Variants
I'll keep a link to this handy so I can keep track of what we should be doing next when we have spare time. If anyone has anything that we've been meaning to do but I forgot to list, or if you disagree with the priority I've placed them in, please speak up!
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I also split our side projects into research and non-research because they seem to mostly run in parallel to each other and it's easier to keep track of which come next this way. As always, let me know if you think I should put something on here, since I'm hesitant to add things just because I think it's a good idea.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Yeah, if we can approach them with a single suitably large batch and agree to a price that they find very favourable, that will go a long way to paying off all the generosity they've shown us. That, I'd be okay with, and it sounds like a nice proactive thing we can do to further our goals (assuming they're in the market for them, which we should look into).


I also split our side projects into research and non-research because they seem to mostly run in parallel to each other and it's easier to keep track of which come next this way. As always, let me know if you think I should put something on here, since I'm hesitant to add things just because I think it's a good idea.
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I'd drop my extrasensory seals onto that list. I think they're low enough hanging fruit that we should work on them now. They only required the Casino Seals as pre-reqs, and are simple enough that we have a good chance of getting them done before the exams.

Plus the extra awareness will be very valuable.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
I'd drop my extrasensory seals onto that list. I think they're low enough hanging fruit that we should work on them now. They only required the Casino Seals as pre-reqs, and are simple enough that we have a good chance of getting them done before the exams.

Plus the extra awareness will be very valuable.
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I'd be more comfy with this if we got an in character estimate on the time it should take.
 
eaglejarl said:
I see. This is likely to require some worldbuilding in the part of the QMs, so we should probably start thinking about it.

Could you summarize for us how and when you would choose to approach Jiraiya on the issue? In his office, at a meeting (with whom?), in public, etc. Are you prepared to trade anything aside from your ongoing lack of opposition? What, specifically, would you want him to do and what would you be willing to bargain down to if he pushed back?
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I don't think you'd have to worry about this hypothesis specifically; nobody else would vote for it, and if I somehow found myself with the sole vote I'd still try friendly approaches first. The reason I've been focusing on this point is because people (as best as I can tell) keep saying it's impossible to convince Jiraiya, and it seemed easiest to first solve that question before tackling harder ones like "now how do you convince him without making him hate you?" In retrospect this might have been a bad approach, but it seemed sane at the time.

I, personally, and assuming we'd gone with the approach hitherto discussed, would be willing to negotiate down a fair bit, though I'm not sure what angle would be most likely. One example is a commitment to deal with it later, within a reasonable specified time-frame. As I don't think Jiraiya would lie about that, I'd accept. If I thought he would lie, I wouldn't.
EDIT: Actually, you said you were trying to get permission for you and Keiko to act. What would you be doing that would require Jiraiya's permission?
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If Hazō was the pangolin summoner, he could do this even without Jiraiya's approval. The major difficulty comes from Keiko's belief that ninjas do things they're told to do, and any compunctions are failures of character to be overridden as the situation demands. Jiraiya said she can't risk the pangolins' alliance, so as far as she's concerned big, forceful actions are ruled out.

Hazō would be wanting Jiraiya to redact this injunction, and give the go-ahead for Keiko to act. (He'd also want Jiraiya to avoid actions which Keiko would take as implicit injunctions, so some level of confidentiality would be assumed.) I suspect Jiraiya would be motivated to help keep the negotiations on track, but that's comparatively optional.
 
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MMKII said:
I'd be more comfy with this if we got an in character estimate on the time it should take.
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@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail: Given that he's finished learning the casino seals, how long does Hazou think it would take to modify them to:
  1. Buzz at a low enough frequency for him to feel rather than hear them.
  2. Have the amplitude of the buzzing/light/sound change based on the amount of chakra being moulded, rather than as a simple on-off.
  3. Both at once.
In particular, does he think he could finish before the tournament?
 
Jello_Raptor said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail: Given that he's finished learning the casino seals, how long does Hazou think it would take to modify them to:
  1. Buzz at a low enough frequency for him to feel rather than hear them.
  2. Have the amplitude of the buzzing/light/sound change based on the amount of chakra being moulded, rather than as a simple on-off.
  3. Both
In particular, does he think he could finish before the tournament?
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I would prefer consulting Kagome, actually. More accurate estimate IMO
 
Jello_Raptor said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail: Given that he's finished learning the casino seals, how long does Hazou think it would take to modify them to:
  1. Buzz at a low enough frequency for him to feel rather than hear them.
  2. Have the amplitude of the buzzing/light/sound change based on the amount of chakra being moulded, rather than as a simple on-off.
  3. Both
In particular, does he think he could finish before the tournament?
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Keep in mind that as it is it doesn't trigger based on chakra boosting or already-active techniques.
 
MMKII said:
I would prefer consulting Kagome, actually. More accurate estimate IMO
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Are you going to have Hazou ask in a plan? Because otherwise we probably won't get a kagome answer.

Cariyaga said:
Keep in mind that as it is it doesn't trigger based on chakra boosting or already-active techniques.
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It's still valuable even then. They let him know where and when any technique is triggered in his zone.

Also, I have a strong suspicion that the chakra boosting not triggering the seals is because it's below their detection threshold (which we'd be fiddling with) and not because chakra isn't being molded at all.
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail: Given that he's finished learning the casino seals, how long does Hazou think it would take to modify them to:
  1. Buzz at a low enough frequency for him to feel rather than hear them.
  2. Have the amplitude of the buzzing/light/sound change based on the amount of chakra being moulded, rather than as a simple on-off.
  3. Both at once.
In particular, does he think he could finish before the tournament?
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What I currently want is a buzzing mechanism instead of light/sound, and longer detection range. Six foot is not long enough.

We shouldn't focus on anything fine-grained at the moment.
 
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Kiba said:
What I currently want is a buzzing mechanism instead of light/sound, and longer detection range.
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The buzzing is literally the first thing I ask for. Also, I am assuming that buzzing is just sound (which it is) at a lower frequency than audible sound (which it is).

Also, the current radius basically covers all of melee range, the zone closest to Hazou. Which is rather useful.

We can always add a note in a research plan to extend range once Hazou has a minimal viable product done.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
Also, I have a strong suspicion that the chakra boosting not triggering the seals is because it's below their detection threshold (which we'd be fiddling with) and not because chakra isn't being molded at all.
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Incorrect, chakra boosting is purely internal, which means you can't detect it.

Jello_Raptor said:
The buzzing is literally the first thing I ask for. Also, I am assuming that buzzing is just sound (which it is) at a lower frequency than audible sound (which it is).
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I meant vibration, although that is basically sound...Hmm.


Jello_Raptor said:
Also, the current radius basically covers all of melee range, the zone closest to Hazou. Which is rather useful.

We can always add a note in a research plan to extend range once Hazou has a minimal viable product done.
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I thought range is the most important thing.
 
Kiba said:
Incorrect, chakra boosting is purely internal, which means you can't detect it.



I meant vibration, although that is basically sound...Hmm.




I thought range is the most important thing.
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It's near-useless for combat as-is. Making it useful for combat in melee is more important than making it near-useless for combat at range.
 
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