Two primary uses of skywalkers: Long range strategic mobility and stealth, unencumbered by terrain. Aerial superiority within a battle.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Two primary uses of skywalkers: Long range strategic mobility and stealth, unencumbered by terrain. Aerial superiority within a battle.
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Huh, that would explain why Jiraiya didn't tell us what he was doing, he could have just said that he needs him as a chakra battery to summon more or keep a group of Jonin charged. But if it's Rain then he would have leaked an actual location to us. Also Rain is close enough for a one day trip unlike many other places.
Emstar
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It would be our luck that we don't get to hear about Battle of the Gods Redux either. 
Its also potentially the case that they just did a surgical strike to rescue the kid and then GTFO.
Its also potentially the case that they just did a surgical strike to rescue the kid and then GTFO.
Kakashi has been "Baking cookies all week" but lets be honest: this was a bullshit cover story to disguise him being away on a mission (or to disguise other bullshit cover stories, or both in this case) just like all of his bullshit excuses are.
I have no doubt that Hazou in current mindset would have tried to follow them regardless of destination but it is one more factor to consider.
Yes.
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Emstar
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We traveled to Mist on foot in about 2 days.
Something on that order of magnitude if you have enough skywalkers and need to get going. Perhaps more if you're really pushing it.
I checked the map. They could be anywhere in any of the mainland nations.
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[X] Action Plan: Let it Go: The Redux
Emstar
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Its this:
Note that this gives Velorien a blank check to deal with Hazou's emotional issues(or to not really deal with it at all) as he wishes.
Perhaps not the wisest idea
Chapter 213.1: The Crowd Goes "Huh???"
(Sounds of taijutsu in the background.)
CHUNIN 1: (wanders over into the crowd) Hey guys. What's-- (spots HAZOU take a gut punch that knocks him into a tree) Whoa!
CHUNIN 2: Yup. (continues eating popcorn)
CHUNIN 1: The hell did Gouketsu do to piss Gai off?!
CHUNIN 3: Nothing. (steals some popcorn from CHUNIN 2) Kid's been running round town asking all the jonin for spars. Gai's the first one who agreed.
CHUNIN 1: Well I guess that makes sense, but how did the crowd find the spar so quickly?
CHUNIN 2: Quickly?
CHUNIN 1: Well I mean... Wait, how long have they been sparring?
CHUNIN 3: I left for brunch at one point, and I was here for around an hour before then.
HAZOU: (coughs up blood, gets back on his feet)
CHUNIN 1: ...
CHUNIN 2: ...crazy bastard.
CHUNIN 1: (wanders over into the crowd) Hey guys. What's-- (spots HAZOU take a gut punch that knocks him into a tree) Whoa!
CHUNIN 2: Yup. (continues eating popcorn)
CHUNIN 1: The hell did Gouketsu do to piss Gai off?!
CHUNIN 3: Nothing. (steals some popcorn from CHUNIN 2) Kid's been running round town asking all the jonin for spars. Gai's the first one who agreed.
CHUNIN 1: Well I guess that makes sense, but how did the crowd find the spar so quickly?
CHUNIN 2: Quickly?
CHUNIN 1: Well I mean... Wait, how long have they been sparring?
CHUNIN 3: I left for brunch at one point, and I was here for around an hour before then.
HAZOU: (coughs up blood, gets back on his feet)
CHUNIN 1: ...
CHUNIN 2: ...crazy bastard.
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Emstar
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Well at least the other two plans have clear and reasonable termination points. We already got XP for the day anyway.
E: Although I can potentially see a penalty for essentially making poor Velorien do all the work there from scratch.
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鸡肉面条汤
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Do we have any Action Plans addressing the accidental matricide Hazou just committed?
Also, where is Noburi? Is he dead, too?
This is all Akane's fault.
E: We lost two people important to Hazou in a single update and you guys are busy having him bake cookies. Huh.
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[X] Action Plan: Tonight We Fix the Kid
Alright, I guess I'll vote for an actual plan.
Alright, I guess I'll vote for an actual plan.
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HAZOU: And thats how you bake OPSEC cookies!
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HAZOU: ...Guys?
Hazou stares around as Leaf burns to the ground, S rank ninja throwing fireballs and lightning everywhere.
A torrent of black fire lances out from the shadows, heading straight for Hazou
HAZOU: Oh no! The cookies will be burnt!!
Hazou valiantly dives to save the cookies
HAZOU: Guess... guess I was good at preserving OPSEC afterall. Heh.
Uchiha Itachi walks slowly through the burning building, seemingly unconcerned and unharmed by the flames. He stands over a plate of perfectly made baked goods, staring at Hazou's burning body.
HAZOU: Why would you do this?
Itachi removes his slashed Leaf headband, and replaces it with a white chef's hat.
ITACHI: To test the limit of my abilities.
I loved the delivery on this line.
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That's a good point.I... actually made note of this in discord a few minutes before you posted this. But it feels a little... bad-incentive-structure-y to have this kind of thing in place.
I mean, if you wanted it to be more of a Thing stated somewhere I'd be cool with that, but as an unstated principle, having to police our thoughts in thread to avoid Hazou being conceited in ways that weren't expressed through plans, such as that and the Tsunade thing (though it's entirely possible that was just characterization, it bears close enough resemblance to the cynicality espoused in-thread in contrast to how Hazou normally acts to be marked with suspicion) isn't really ideal. That's not to say it's all bad, just... well, the bad things jump out in a way the good things don't, the same for us as y'all.
I'm sure Radvic would also appreciate the opportunity to have a structured way to put thoughts into Hazou's head, too.
e: To be clear, I'm fine with everything that's happened thus far as a result of it, and the writing is fantastic anyway, but I'm a little concerned about the incentives that could develop as a result of this.
The ontology of this is interesting. Yes, Hazō has agency separate from the hivemind, but that's intended to account for situations where he would have in-universe information that the players do not, or when the players vote for him to do something that is wildly out of character. In the normal course of events, he is expected to be the avatar of the hivemind. He should usually act in ways that you approve of (barring the occasional sidetrip into teenage angst and such), and he should share your goals and values.
There are various ways to look at Hazō. The first is to say that the QMs create Hazō from whole cloth and his actions are lightly guided by the plans that the players vote in. This implies a clear boundary between our world and Hazō's, with only a few hundred bytes trickling across twice a week. It also means that the QMs cannot in good conscience use the discussion here to identify what Hazō should do when something comes up that isn't specifically covered by the details of the plan, which in turn means that he will more often act in ways y'all disapprove of. This is approximately where we started the quest, and it led to a lot of salt and youthsuits.
The second is to say that the hivemind is Hazō's subconscious, that the discussions here are his unconscious thoughts. Thoughts describe values, define goals, and inform deeds. If the discussion here is relatively unanimous on a topic, then Hazō's thoughts on the matter are likewise consistent and will inform his behavior, meaning that he will act in ways that conform with your preferences. The trick with this is that it cuts both ways; if there is a significant discussion where one or more people say 'aye' and no one says 'nay', then that is taken to be part of the hivemind's preferences.
In short, "policing your thoughts" is not the phrase I would use. It suggests getting people to not say something, and that's (a) not feasible and (b) not necessary. The more important thing is to chime in if you disagree with something that's being said. A single voice with a one-off comment is not going to impress us as being part of the hivemind consensus. (Well, impress me -- @Velorien and @OliWhail can speak for themselves.) A multi-page discussion in which multiple people say one thing quite vociferously and few or no people object? That's definitely part of the hivemind's preferences.
EDIT: Oh, one voice saying something (e.g. "nuke all the thingsssss!!!") and no one agreeing is also something I would not take as part of the hivemind's preferences. Everyone has intrusive thoughts, few act on them.
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@eaglejarl I was annoyed when the whole "ideas are more important than execution" made it into Hazō's expression. I vehemently disagree with this line of thought.
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Kagome isn't sure yet. Also, would you mind relocating the question out of your newly-canonized interlude? It breaks the flow a bit.
Glad to hear it. Personally, I'm still very much of the belief that this is a stupid and arrogant idea, that execution is what is valuable, with ideas having value only insofar as they enable or influence execution. Still, during the earlier discussion on the topic there were multiple people chiming in to support the "someone's brain state alone is worth paying for" and few or no people objecting, so I went with it.
In other news: We're looking at slightly reforming the terms of the Gōketsu seal license. Having learned from past experience, we'd prefer to have one person look it over before throwing it to the crowd. Who wants to sanity-check us?
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Ah I see.
(Code 1984! Code 1984! Switch to secured modes of communication! )
*screaaaaaaming iN Kagomeeeeeeehhhhh ah@hhhhhh*
Do you guys want to buy a YOUTHSUIT ??/?
Zabuza!
I could do in a pinch but I would prefer someone clever-er than I try to break this, to be honest.
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Dissonance
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[X] Action Plan: Tonight We Fix the Kid
[x] Action plan: The bar is lava
[X] Action Plan: Let it Go: The Redux
[x] Action plan: The bar is lava
[X] Action Plan: Let it Go: The Redux
Sure thing:
Does Kagome have a sense of how much is left to do? He was working with us on this, right?
Also: Yay! Canonised!
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Oh, also, could you change 'lunch' to 'brunch'? It fits the timeline better.
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