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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MMKII said:
On the contrary I think that no expense is too great to begin tackling this issue in unambiguous detail.
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I don't think it's very elegant as a plan. We'd be essentially voting to have Hazou think things. Also, we'll be talking at Hana about issues caused by contexts she has no information on. She doesn't know about Uplift, doesn't really know Keiko/Noburi/Akane, doesn't know what we've been doing those last two years. I think we need to give her that information first, then talk about our current issues.

This is how I'd prefer the plan to be structured, including my suggestion on how to formulate the discussion with Hana:
  • [Manage Hazou's mental state.]
  • [Greet Hana, properly introduce her to the clan.]
    • [Be ready to intervene in Mari/Hana interactions.]
  • [Scream, eat, get hookers, write poetry, whatever.]
  • [Bake OPSEC cookies.]
  • Talk to Hana in your room. Ensure privacy with seals.
    • Catch up:
      • Explain your dream of uplift, concrete steps made in bringing it into reality.
      • Talk about your team.
      • Give her highlights of your adventures (keep OPSEC in mind!).
    • Vent about:
      • Pressure your goal put on your shoulders.
      • Recent doubts about morality of your actions (OPSEC: No specifics!).
      • Trouble with: social interactions, respecting agency of others.
      • Break-up with Akane, which made you: feel miserable, start lashing out at close friends or strangers.
    • Reflect on your thoughts regarding Tsunade at yesterday's dinner:
      • Exemplify several issues: reduce Tsunade to a political tool, demonstrate willingness to sacrifice international medical work for more power, put your dream as the most important thing.
@MMKII, do you think this version would fail to accomplish something important?
 
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Noumero said:
I don't think it's very elegant as a plan. We'd be essentially voting to have Hazou think things. Also, we'll be talking at Hana about issues caused by contexts she has no information on. She doesn't know about Uplift, doesn't really know Keiko/Noburi/Akane, doesn't know what we've been doing those last two years. I think we need to give her that information first, then talk about our current issues.
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The context is a good point, we should certainly catch up. I think the quotes might be overboard (too many of them), but I will edit this a bit.
This is how I'd prefer the plan to be structured, including my suggestion on how to formulate the discussion with Hana:
  • [Manage Hazou's mental state.]
  • [Greet Hana, properly introduce her to the clan.]
    • [Be ready to intervene in Mari/Hana interactions.]
  • [Scream, eat, get hookers, write poetry, whatever.]
  • [Bake OPSEC cookies.]
  • Talk to Hana in your room. Ensure privacy with seals.
    • Catch up:
      • Explain your dream of uplift, concrete steps made in bringing it into reality.
      • Talk about your team.
      • Give her highlights of your adventures (keep OPSEC in mind!).
    • Vent about:
      • Pressure your goal put on your shoulders.
      • Recent doubts about morality of your actions (OPSEC: No specifics!).
      • Trouble with: social interactions, respecting agency of others.
      • Break-up with Akane, which made you: feel miserable, start lashing out at close friends or strangers.
    • Reflect on your thoughts regarding Tsunade at yesterday's dinner:
      • Exemplify several issues: reduce Tsunade to a political tool, demonstrate willingness to sacrifice international medical work for more power, put your dream as the most important thing.
@MMKII, do you think this version would fail to accomplish something important?
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I'll do a side-by-side read through of this and what I wrote to see if I can transmute what I currently have into something more resembling this in efficiency, without losing too much in communication.

I want to put sufficient emphasis on certain things here, and I'm worried that being overly efficient will not convey this emphasis.

I can play around with it until becomes satisfactory.
 
[x]Plan restock
-[x]Just refill our collection of skywalkers. In fact overfill it. If Dad needed all we had then he likely needs more.
 
MMKII said:
The context is a good point, we should certainly catch up. I think the quotes might be overboard (too many of them), but I will edit this a bit.

I'll do a side-by-side read through of this and what I wrote to see if I can transmute what I currently have into something more resembling this in efficiency, without losing too much in communication.

I want to put sufficient emphasis on certain things here, and I'm worried that being overly efficient will not convey this emphasis.

I can play around with it until becomes satisfactory.
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I mean. I don't want to be overly critical, but half of the plan read like one of the more authoritarian sorts of parents chewing out an actual child, and neither kindly or gently at that. Those parts didn't really feel like a plan, per se, just yelling at Hazou for his behavior.

I did very much like the going to scream on the monument, and the line "Momma, I don't know what to do!" is delightfully appropriate.

Also, seriously, I was following the thread and I still don't get what people are trying to accomplish with the cookies outside meme-ness. Yes, taking Kakashi's excuse and running with it was a little funny, but why is it so important that it has to go in every bloody plan?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
You can say that Jiraya is a clever and competent ruler all you want, but you'll never convince me that he didn't just risk a huge international incident for the sake of making Hazo feel better.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to...?

Oneiros said:
@eaglejarl as someone who is going through her second puberty while at the same time dealing with a serious break up I have to say you nailed how it feels. I sympathize with Hazō so much right now. Very very well done
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Thank you, but I can't take credit. This was only more or less a direct transcribing of the feelings that I had after my last major breakup, with a bit of when my grandmother died thrown in for flavor. (EDIT: Oh, and a touch of the 'ideas are more important than execution' that I have seen in the thread multiple times.)

Cariyaga said:
...Is it a bad time to note that I think in nested parentheticals four and five deep frequently?
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I'm right there with you.
 
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Erolki said:
I mean. I don't want to be overly critical, but half of the plan read like one of the more authoritarian sorts of parents chewing out an actual child, and neither kindly or gently at that. Those parts didn't really feel like a plan, per se, just yelling at Hazou for his behavior.
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I will be condensing a fair bit so that might help there.

TBF having to guard against potential Evil-QM-ness while simultaneously getting Hazou to satisfactorily check himself over on some of his behavior the last couple updates is going to be a balancing act.

"Hazou re-evaluates how he's been acting" doesnt have enough weight to it IMO, and I'm not sure if an extremely concise and more neutral-sounding (tone wise) version will do the job.
 
Erolki said:
Also, seriously, I was following the thread and I still don't get what people are trying to accomplish with the cookies outside meme-ness.
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I see this as an in to get Hazou talking with Kakashi on more of a personal basis. And it's a nice distraction for Hazou at present.

Also, memes are delicious.

Erolki said:
why is it so important that it has to go in every bloody plan?
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Such is the power of precommitment! Radvic used it once and successfully got every plan posted to include testing of Youthenizers/Deathenators, so I thought I'd give it a try for memes cookies instead.
 
We have gained a very useful piece of information.

Kakashi likes free beer!

Drinking buddies with Kakashi? Maybe we can lure him into the cookie trap with free beer?
 
Oneiros said:
Hazō just needs to go out and destress with as little input from us as possible
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[X] Action Plan: Let it Go: The Redux

Hang out with Hana, invite her to help bake cookies, whatever else Hana suggests.

e: Purpose, for voters and QM: Let Hazou hang out with his mom, we don't need to micromanage him, and he needs a break from thinking so damn hard about everything.
 
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[X] Interlude: Whatever Jiraiya and Noburi Were Up to
[X] Action Plan: Let it Go: The Redux
 
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eaglejarl said:
(EDIT: Oh, and a touch of the 'ideas are more important than execution' that I have seen in the thread multiple times.)
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I... actually made note of this in discord a few minutes before you posted this. But it feels a little... bad-incentive-structure-y to have this kind of thing in place.

I mean, if you wanted it to be more of a Thing stated somewhere I'd be cool with that, but as an unstated principle, having to police our thoughts in thread to avoid Hazou being conceited in ways that weren't expressed through plans, such as that and the Tsunade thing (though it's entirely possible that was just characterization, it bears close enough resemblance to the cynicality espoused in-thread in contrast to how Hazou normally acts to be marked with suspicion) isn't really ideal. That's not to say it's all bad, just... well, the bad things jump out in a way the good things don't, the same for us as y'all.

I'm sure Radvic would also appreciate the opportunity to have a structured way to put thoughts into Hazou's head, too. :p

e: To be clear, I'm fine with everything that's happened thus far as a result of it, and the writing is fantastic anyway, but I'm a little concerned about the incentives that could develop as a result of this.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Let it Go: The Redux

As much as I sympathize with the attempt to forcibly improve Hazou's behaviour, I feel like it wouldn't accomplish very much and isn't very necessary in the first place. Hazou is already aware that he's being insensitive and uncharitable because he's upset, once he stops being upset he'll stop being insensitive and uncharitable, and I don't think the people he's been rude to the last couple days will hold it against him much. Everyone has a bad day, right?

As for how to make Hazou not be upset all the time, I'm okay with giving him the wheel for his joyous and heartfelt reunion with Hana, that sounds like exactly the kind of thing that'll help him feel better.
 
I have taken into account @Noumero 's and @Erolki 's suggestions (hopefully adequately).

Note its been drastically shortened!
MMKII said:
Perhaps we need to be a bit louder, it seems the kid's got some shit caked up into the trans-dimensional interface.
Bonus XP be damned, I've gotten at least one or two of those OOC and by thunder if I need to write a thousand Omakes to slam this into this kids head, I will.
Currently short enough for Bonus XP

(Also the extra wordcount fluff is mostly quotes)

Wordcount: 295
[X] Action Plan: Tonight We Fix the Kid

Spend FP to resist any compels.
Hazou maintains strict OPSEC despite his emotionally vulnerable state.

  • Quickly take Mom aside.
    • Explain how we would rather she be civil to Mari at least until tomorrow.
      • Please?
  • Spend some quality time with Mom after dinner making OPSEC cookies.
    • We should have acquired the ingredients.
  • Do the following but with Hana's supervision(and Mari's approval, and hopefully an escort) .
    • We are going to scream incoherently off the top of the Hokage monument.
      • Surround ourselves in an Air Dome to not disturb the village.
  • Come home and chill in your room with Hana.
    • Put up air domes in case of emotional outburst.
  • Catch up:
    • Explain your dream of uplift, concrete steps made in bringing it into reality.
    • Talk about your team.
    • Give her highlights of your adventures (keep OPSEC in mind!)
  • Vent about:
    • Pressure your goal put on your shoulders.
    • Recent doubts about morality of your actions (OPSEC: No specifics!).
    • Trouble with: social interactions, respecting agency of others.
    • Break-up with Akane, which made you: feel miserable, start lashing out at close friends or strangers.
    • Mist spared no effort in making your life hell during the exams (proctors)
  • Reflect on how your vulnerable emotional state has caused you to act like a jerk to your friends and family.
    • These are people that would die for you.
  • Reflect on your thoughts regarding Tsunade at yesterday's dinner:
    • Several issues: reduce Tsunade to a political tool, demonstrate willingness to sacrifice international medical work for more power, put your dream as the most important thing.
  • Momma, I don't know what to do!
  • Perhaps trying to hold up the entire world by yourself isn't the best idea.
  • Resolve to try do better (or at least figure out how).
    • Because you know you can.
  • Go to bed.
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MMKII said:
I have taken into account @Noumero 's and @Erolki 's suggestions (hopefully adequately).

Note its been drastically shortened!
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I much like this version over the previous, and strongly prefer we vote for an actual plan here.

NB: While I'm sure it would be thoroughly enjoying to read, I don't see giving @Velorien free reign to write Hazou's breakdown as being likely to solve any problems.
 
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@eaglejarl

Did Hazou acquire the ingredients for the cookies already/ are they present in the compound's pantry?

Vecht said:
I much like this version over the previous, and strongly prefer we vote for an actual plan here.

NB: While I'm sure it would be thoroughly enjoying to read, I don't see giving @Velorien free and undirected reign to write Hazou's breakdown as being likely to solve any problems.
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Am I to take this as "We should fit more stuff in to this" or?
 
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