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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MMKII said:
Death to the foe, all their land is belong to us!
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"Welcome to the Clan!" said Pantsā. "I'm so glad you finally joined us. Now we just have to bring the rest of your 'hivemind' along."

MMKII said:
Your attempts at reverse psychology fall short of the mark, BirdDuke!
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Ah, but that's what I wanted you to think! My "reverse psychology" was actually complete truth, *masquerading* as reverse psychology! You have fallen into my cunning trap! Ha! I win!
 
For never having met any of the Capybara or Mara, I am highly suspicious of them. The pangolins are self-proclaimed masters of the martial ground - yet their two most preferred allies when we ask are the Capybaras (master infiltrators) and Maras (master manipulators). While high social-stat partners do in fact bolster the Pangolin clan's weaker areas, I wouldn't expect that to be sufficient to entice an otherwise apparently highly xenophobic clan. At minimum I expect the Pangolins were manipulated into wanting the Capybara and Mara clans as allies.

If there were clans capable of driving a wedge between long-standing allies, I'd presume they would be capable. It might be worth a question whether the Mara/Capybara clans were enemies of the Condors back before the betrayal - or if there were territories in possession by Mara/Capybara that was particularly appealing to the Pangolins or Condors - or perhaps vice-versa (Pangolin/Condor territory for the Mara/Capybara)

The situation seems like one where the Pangolins/Condors are locked forever in a stalemate (preventing substantial external aggression). We come along and break the stalemate, at which point the pangolins commit terrible war crimes which are likely to bring a coalition of other clans after their heads.
 
Is this - roughly - what people want to happen with the Pangolins?


"Commissar Panteon, your Summoner has come to bargain.

I will no longer support your war of aggression against the other clans nor will I provide you with the tools to do so. Further, you will withdraw your troops and negotiate a deal to end all hostilities - be quiet and do not interrupt me - between the Pangolin and the Hyena clans. Only after you have shown me that you are still worthy of my support will I even consider providing you with further seals for defensive use only and terminatable at will should I judge the need to do so.

After the Chunin Exams everyone knows of my status of Pangolin Summoner and where to find me, and I refuse to be put at risk against an alliance of Summoners of all the clans you managed to set against yourself. Nor will you be able to defend yourself should they decide to band together on the Seventh Path either.

This is not an acceptable outcome.

Further, your incursion into enemy territory likely exposed the existence of the Pantokrator's Eyes and other Summoners will know exactly where this technology came from and wonder exactly what else my clan has up its sleeves. Maybe some are already planning to come after my family because of you. I cannot and will not tolerate your reckless and despicable behavior any longer.

Should anything happen to me that can be traced back to any of you - be that directly or indirectly by failure to render assistance when I need it - be assured that our seal technology will be distributed to all your enemies in the Seventh Path. You know who my father is and you know about my siblings so be assured that this is perfectly within our capabilities to do this. Consider this your one and only warning."


Alternatively:

KEIKO: We are not gonna send you anymore seals because you are capital-V Villains.
PANTSAA: *stares*
KEIKO: On the other hand, you make a good point and you absolutely deserve even more seals per month. Totally.



Alternatively alternatively:

PANDAA: Keiko, are we no longer friends? :(
KEIKO: (critical failure on the Resolve roll): What no, of course we are. *throws seals by the handful at Pandaa*
 
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@Tua

I mean pretty much, except doing so with a bit more diplomacy.

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I mean basically arguments :


1) This can cause an alliance to form against us/Keiko/Pangolins

2) Using Skytowers more offensively is beyond a major OPSEC breach on our seals. This was ok with the Condors (they were already in a war) but is not an excuse to go to more war.

Surely the Pangolins (who themselves are paranoid about giving us secret techniques) are understanding of this
 
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MadScientist said:
KEI: Stop committing genocide.

PANTSAA: No.

KEI: Fuck. I Hazou didn't plan for this.
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Psh.

KEIKO: Stop commiting genocide.

PANTSAA: No. Why would we do that? I am taking away your Pandaa priveleges.

KEIKO: *single tear falls down cheek*

*explosions ring out, roof of the burrow gets blasted in*

JIRAIYA: Did you just make my daughter cry?

PANTSAA: How dare you-

*One Sage Mode empowered Rasengan to the face later*

JIRAIYA: Stop committing genocide.

PANTSAA: Okay.
 
Jiraiya's presence would, however, be of great benefit. He's also Keiko's clan head, making it a great excuse. Just have them negotiate together and have Jiraiya do most of the talking.
 
faflec said:
Jiraiya's presence would, however, be of great benefit. He's also Keiko's clan head, making it a great excuse. Just have them negotiate together and have Jiraiya do most of the talking.
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Yeah certainly. I don't think we could do anything sans Keiko though.
 
The tack I basically want to take is very clearly implying that the Pangolins really ought to focus on consolidating their Condor gains and not start other wars or take more land, or else we will 'be forced to' renegotiate the Skytower contract. Enough cordial formalities that the Pangolins can pretend we didn't break decorum, enough implied threats that there's no mistaking what we want the Pangolins to do, and what influence we're leveraging to make it happen.
 
Ooooh, we can involve the Will of Fire with it! Or at least the original idea:
Velorien said:
He gave a put-upon sigh. "How troublesome. Well, Murakumo lived in a time of war, and he wanted to tell people that their protective impulses were right and proper in and of themselves, but that taking them too far led to everybody getting hurt, and risked destroying everything in the end, like a wildfire annihilating a forest."
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Argue that expanding and spreading the glory of the Pangolin Empire is righteous, but overexpanding at the expense of consolidation could lead to ruin.

Or something.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
The tack I basically want to take is very clearly implying that the Pangolins really ought to focus on consolidating their Condor gains and not start other wars or take more land, or else we will 'be forced to' renegotiate the Skytower contract. Enough cordial formalities that the Pangolins can pretend we didn't break decorum, enough implied threats that there's no mistaking what we want the Pangolins to do, and what influence we're leveraging to make it happen.
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Since the Condor Summoner is spending a large part of her time fighting for the condor resistance they might demand that we take her out as part of these negotiations. Are we okay with doing that? If no what should our response be?
 
Oneiros said:
Since the Condor Summoner is spending a large part of her time fighting for the condor resistance they might demand that we take her out as part of these negotiations. Are we okay with doing that? If no what should our response be?
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I...maybe. It would depend on the person's identity and relative importance. We do not want to jeopardize the burgeoning Mist alliance by killing one of their ninja, for instance.
 
faflec said:
I...maybe. It would depend on the person's identity and relative importance. We do not want to jeopardize the burgeoning Mist alliance by killing one of their ninja, for instance.
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Is that a hard no from you on putting the alliance at risk? Even if we had a plan with greater than a 90% chance that we as well as Leaf at large would not be implicated?
 
Oneiros said:
Is that a hard no from you on putting the alliance at risk? Even if we had a plan with greater than a 90% chance that we as well as Leaf at large would not be implicated?
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That would have to depend on how foolproof the plan was. Which, again, relies on information that nobody has at the moment.

I'm not committing to anything, obviously; I'm just putting out some general thoughts which are subject to change based on the situation.
 
KEIKO: The aggregate effect of our actions on the world is negative. We're profiting from facilitating genocide and erasure of a whole culture on the Seventh Path. I don't know if I can continue like this.

HAZOU: Keiko, how long have you been feeling this way?

VOICES IN HAZOU'S HEAD: ... are we the baddies :(
 
faflec said:
That would have to depend on how foolproof the plan was. Which, again, relies on information that nobody has at the moment.

I'm not committing to anything, obviously; I'm just putting out some general thoughts which are subject to change based on the situation.
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I getcha. I just want to avoid another incident like the Sunset Racer. It was pretty obvious to me that we would probably kill everyone on board but the thread at large missed it.
 
Oneiros said:
Since the Condor Summoner is spending a large part of her time fighting for the condor resistance they might demand that we take her out as part of these negotiations. Are we okay with doing that? If no what should our response be?
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I currently have a decent amount of respect for the Condor summoner for continuing to support the Condors despite the poor cost benefit analysis. I would heavily prefer to not kill her.
If possible, I would like to find some way to negotiate with her and therefore the resistance. The problem is of course that the Pangolins probably won't accept it.
 
faflec said:
So @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail In the original version of the rules Keiko's Monomanical (from Frozen Skein) was used on Summoning, allowing her to purchase levels in the skill with (Int x 3) instead of (Int x 1). But in the new rules there seems to have been no equivalent of an XP bump for Keiko, either in the Summoning Stunt (she still spend 250XP) or the Summoning Skill (she still spends 2x normal XP). Is there some other buff that was alloted to her so that she uses Monomanical for Summoning that I'm missing?

Also, is there any particular benefit to leveling the Summoning Skill? FMPOV the skill is just an XP sink since it doesn't seem to give Keiko anything...
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Bumping for @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
 
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