Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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At least this isn't an impossible situation. I'm sure we can come to an equitable solution.
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Condor cultural genocide isn't about convincing them to become Pangolins, not immediately anyways.
You start by taking away all of the Condor scholars and intellectuals, the ones who know the deep intricacies of Condor culture and who are the touchstone of it, and kill them. Take all the Condor-written books and books on Condor culture and destroy all of them. Now all that the Condors have left is each other to preserve their culture.
Now you ban Condor cultural traditions. If they have holidays, they aren't allowed to celebrate those, they have to celebrate Pangolin holidays instead. Force merchants and craftsmen to not sell Condor things, such as Condor fashion or Condor cuisine. It now gets harder for Condors to keep the things that make Condor culture Condor, and many are forced to adopt Pangolin things in many aspects of their life.
Fill them with propaganda. Show favoritism to Condors who side openly with the Pangolins, pelt the Condors with the message that the Pangolins are glorious and supreme and that you too can have a taste of that greatness if you just leave behind the squalor of your Condor culture, the squalor that your people brought upon yourselves.
Many will resist, but time moves on. As new Condor children are born, how resilient are they going to be towards Pangolin propaganda? It matters little how many Condors give up their gutted husk of a culture, their children will be more pliable than them, and once another generation passes the children of the new generation will be even more pliable with fewer Condor influences around. Soon enough 'Condor culture' will only exist in a scarce few diehard traditionalists living in dirt while the rest of the Condors enjoy their lives as well-treated second class citizens.
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It's dystopian as butts but I can see how the Pangolins would go about turning Condors into 'Pangolins with wings'. A good amount of damage has probably already been done in the form of executing scholars and burning books (or smashing tablets or whatever), so even if we managed to get the Pangolins to stop further demolition of Condor culture there would already be irreparable holes in Condor culture.
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A good question in need of a good answer.
Though admittedly, the complete unmaking of Condor culture is probably a bad thing unless they're terrifyingly worse than the Pangolins.
Emstar
The Shining One
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We could ask the Condor summoner?
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To clarify: destroying a bad/evil/exploitative culture by force and replacing it with another bad/evil culture is bad/evil, but less so than destroying a good/cooperative culture.
Though ignoring cultural genocide there is still a significant issue of physical/material exploitation. Pangolins are racist slavist fucks. But it is easier for us/Keiko to try to bargain for incremental improvement in slave treatment, than to try to protect condor culture.
P.s. bets on condor culture touchstone being interpersonal candour.
Though ignoring cultural genocide there is still a significant issue of physical/material exploitation. Pangolins are racist slavist fucks. But it is easier for us/Keiko to try to bargain for incremental improvement in slave treatment, than to try to protect condor culture.
P.s. bets on condor culture touchstone being interpersonal candour.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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What makes you think they'd know the minutia of their summons' culture any more than we know the minutia of the Pangolin?
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Well, we know more of Pangolins than of Condors, so you'd expect an exchange there would be informational.
If they speak of them as of peaceloving hippies we'll know we dun goofd.
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I would assume that most other summoners have had their contracts for longer than us, and therefore be more familiar with their summons society.
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We have no way of knowing for sure, but the Condors have had access to the Great Library, beating heart of culture and intellectual thought on the Seventh Path, for centuries while the Pangolins were stuck isolated from it and growing steadily more militant and supremacist/xenophobic.
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I'll ask again, have we gotten any outside confirmation that the Great Library exists?
Emstar
The Shining One
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Not really.
If the great library was bullshit, then the Pangolins have literally been lying to us since day 1 of the Condor War.
In which case, serious thought to conquering THEM may need to be considered.
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There's no reason to think it's an invention of Pangolin propaganda?
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I guess there's not an actual reason to think so, just paranoid thinking on my part. How old is Pantsaa? If they are old enough to have been around at the time in question, then it's probably fine. Otherwise, at the very least I would not be surprised to learn that the "greatness" of the Great Library is exaggerated in the same way the cultural hatred for the Condors et al is. Do the Toads have access, and yet are allied to the Pangolins without getting them in?
A lot of this is coming from my own musings as to the status of the Pangolins in the 7th path, before their isolation. Their scroll was hidden away, and the people guarding it were told that it could only be opened by a "chosen one". Yet, as Kagome said, it was just a locking seal, which implies that the ancestors of Hidden Mountain were lied to, not to mention the Tapirs, whose 7th Path counterparts are enemies of the Pangolins. Combined with the Condors apparently closing the pass, all of this suggests a multi-faction effort to shut down the Pangolins; this can't have come out of nowhere. I don't buy for a second that multiple clans did this with no prompting on the Pangolins part. And if the Pangolins are some sort of recognized threat, then what are their allies? The more I think about it, the more I worry that even the Toads could be implicated somehow.
Again, all of this is speculation, and we need to talk to Jiraya and get outside perspectives from other clans. I'm paraniod, and Pangolins are unreliable information sources with regards to the wider 7th path.
Emstar
The Shining One
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We should probably figure out what the hell that "the sky of Conquered territory assumes the color of the clan that conquered it." thing is.
(Thats a thing IIRC right?)
Seems kinda weird. Was the Seventh Path created by Paradox Interactive or something?
(Thats a thing IIRC right?)
Seems kinda weird. Was the Seventh Path created by Paradox Interactive or something?
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This is the first I'm hearing of it, though I may have missed it. If Kagome is to be believed, the Seventh Path was created as a prison for the other Sages, who he made into the various clans, and if that's the case then adding in a relationship between the species and the sky seems doable.
Emstar
The Shining One
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IT LITERALLY IS A PARADOX GAME:
!!!
What if Kagome was right all along
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Cariyaga
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Give Toads Skywalkers? They seem more reasonable and if they are the dominant power....
Sorry if this seemed to come out of no where. Apparently my phone had not reloaded the page.
Sorry if this seemed to come out of no where. Apparently my phone had not reloaded the page.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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How that meeting goes is dependent on our options, which is dependent on how Kei feels about this whole thing and also on Jiraiya.
