Hopefully ISC is competent enough to 1) get us a message during down day, if this is the plan, or 2) convince everyone that giving a seal-smith more time to prepare is a generally bad idea.


Part of me just wants us to wait until the first sign of combat to start Keiko summoning Pandamonium - though maybe compromise and already have Pankurashun in the ground?

Builds a false sense of confidence if they think we didn't have anybody summoned (and why wouldn't we have one with us if we sid have one summoned)
I'll note that if we defeat the underground team Nobby basically gets a free refill.


Waiting to summon is a bad idea 'cause it means she's low on chakra when combat starts.

On that note: Do we have any answers for HitM --> Mist Drain?
I dont want to expose Mist Drain.

Good call with regards to Air Domes. @MMKII Would you please add that?
I'm a bit confused. Why are we on the roof? The "Ranged Attack Zone" is the 1 zone radius surrounding the facility.

We can set LBF Airdomes here for emergencies. I don't know how viable resetting these will be though.
 
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I dont want to expose Mist Drain.
The question was what our answer would be for enemy wakahisa using HitM and then draining us, not for us doing it.
I'm a bit confused. Why are we on the roof? The "Ranged Attack Zone" is the 1 zone radius surrounding the facility.

We can set LBF Airdomes here for emergencies. I don't know how viable resetting these will be though.
Why wouldn't Keiko/Pandamonium be on the roof? It's better angles, and easier to dodge from there to the ground if necessary.

e: Also, unless you have something else you'd rather train, please vote for my Alertness training plans.
 
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If Noburi doesn't want to reveal mist drain as a Wakahisa outcast, I don't think any of the clan members in good standing would, either.
 
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The question was what our answer would be for enemy wakahisa using HitM and then draining us, not for us doing it.

Why wouldn't Keiko/Pandamonium be on the roof? It's better angles, and easier to dodge from there to the ground if necessary.

e: Also, unless you have something else you'd rather train, please vote for my Alertness training plans.
Because its a zone or two away? Keiko in particular might be throwing kunai from a zone behind everyone else. She might not retreat to Pandamonium's spot /the facility for a bit.

Regardless, have added "Prepare LBF-ed Air Domes where ranged ninja will be firing from."

Can we train over the rest day?

[X] Training Noburi: Be Sure to Never Let Your Guard Down
[X] Training Hazou: Awareness is the Key To Victory
 
Barebones skeleton of a plan.

Since we know Shika is trying to go with the two pronged attack I figure we would approach things this way.

Open to suggestions and edits. Ideally cap this around 300-400 words. Not the time to be stingy about XP.

Please and thank you.

Word Count: 188
[X] (defenses) Layers of Rocket Tag
General:
  • Tactical decisions and squad makeup re: ninja left to IC judgement
  • Keiko runs this plan through Frozen Skein.

Politics:
  • Nara ensures Hyuga doesn't join in attack
  • Convince teammates to donate chakra
Physical:
  • Internal Defenses:
    • FSB'd MEW base (preventing tunnelers) and panels reinforcing key passageways, walls, and ceilings
  • External defenses:
    • 4 zones cleared in each direction with explosives
      • First zone -- ranged attack station -- create lighting cover with MEW covering, force walls.
      • Second - fourth zones -- field of death & safe path
      • Separate zones with border of walls/abattisses from downed foliage
    • Conventional traps as prepared by Paneru.
    • Goo bombs, Banshees, pepper Macerators, Gravel macerators, and fake seals throughout field
    • Path includes avoidable but hidden LBF seals with training explosives, goo bombs, and pepper Macerators
    • Pangolins dig underground ring immediately around facility to catch tunnelers. Trap it.
    • Prepare LBF-ed Air Domes in locations where ranged ninja will be firing from.
  • Strategy
    • Above ground squad (Pandamonium, Pandojuru, Pangaya,ninja)
      • Pepper enemies with ranged attacks and brief bouts of CQC (Pangolins help with buffs and bodyguard jutsu)
      • Retreat layer by layer back to the facility.
    • Underground squad (Panashe, Pankurashun, ninja)
      • Counter tunneling attack
      • Ambush above ground attackers from below afterwards (backlines).
    • Do not get pinned down.
Critique:

What does "Second - fourth zones -- field of death & safe path" mean? Is there a full path clear entirely of traps?

Does "Path includes avoidable but hidden LBF seals with training explosives, goo bombs, and pepper Macerators" refer to the primary path inwards?

Will we have an escape path? What will that escape path be?

Is every zone delineated by abatisses? If so, do we have any plans for getting over them unimpeded in the "retreat layer by layer" stage of operations?

e:

Can we train over the rest day?

[X] Training Noburi: Be Sure to Never Let Your Guard Down
[X] Training Hazou: Awareness is the Key To Victory
My thought was that the excess of combat experience we got over the previous day would be sufficient training.
 
Critique:

What does "Second - fourth zones -- field of death & safe path" mean? Is there a full path clear entirely of traps?
Yes, there is a path through the trap field.

Does "Path includes avoidable but hidden LBF seals with training explosives, goo bombs, and pepper Macerators" refer to the primary path inwards?
Yep, will refer to this as "Safe path"

Will we have an escape path? What will that escape path be?

We should probably put a mildly complicated path of fake traps as an escape path. Blends in.

Is every zone delineated by abatisses? If so, do we have any plans for getting over them unimpeded in the "retreat layer by layer" stage of operations?
Hmm. This is a problem. Ideas?

Give me a few minutes.
 
Hmm. This is a problem. Ideas?

Give me a few minutes.
Small enough wall that those of us that know where the traps are can jump over them, but enemies are likely to fall prey to them if they don't climb over carefully?

Additionally, we should probably have the "entry" for every abattise on separate sides.

e: Oh, just soak the walls in oil, and light them off.
 
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Small enough wall that those of us that know where the traps are can jump over them, but enemies are likely to fall prey to them if they don't climb over carefully?

Additionally, we should probably have the "entry" for every abattise on separate sides.

e: Oh, just soak the walls in oil, and light them off.
Not sure about the oil thing. Seems like someone could just burn us out with fire jutsu layer by layer. Don't want to tempt fate.

Here's the updated version:

Word Count: 318
[X] (defenses) Layers of Rocket Tag
General:
  • Tactical decisions and squad makeup re: ninja left to IC judgement
  • Keiko runs this plan through Frozen Skein.

Politics:
  • Nara ensures Hyuga doesn't join in attack
  • Convince teammates to donate chakra
Physical:
  • Internal Defenses:
    • FSB'd MEW base (preventing tunnelers) and panels reinforcing key passageways, walls, and ceilings
  • External defenses:
    • 4 zones cleared in each direction with explosives
      • First zone -- ranged attack station -- create lighting cover with MEW covering, force walls.
      • Second - fourth zones -- field of traps & safe path spiraling around.
      • Separate zones with border of walls/abattisses from downed foliage.
    • Conventional traps as prepared by Paneru.
    • Goo bombs, Banshees, pepper Macerators, Gravel macerators, and fake seals throughout field.
    • Safe path includes avoidable but hidden LBF seals with training explosives, goo bombs, and pepper Macerators
      • Goes through a single large gap in each layer's border.
      • Has an outward facing LBF-ed Air Dome at each layer's entrance to serve as cover for a retreat.
      • The point where the safe path enters the next layer alternates to maximize time spent in each layer.
    • Pangolins dig underground ring around facility to catch tunnelers. Trap it.
    • Prepare a few LBF-ed Air Domes in locations where our ranged ninja will be firing from.
      • Serves as emergency cover
    • Prepare an emergency exit through traps.
      • Consists of a path of fake traps blending in with the trap field.
  • Strategy
    • Above ground squad (Pandamonium, Pandojuru, ninja)
      • Pepper enemies with ranged attacks and brief bouts of CQC (Pangolins help with buffs and ranged)
      • Retreat layer by layer back to the facility.
        • Ranged is always one or two zones ahead for safety.
        • They cover the CQC retreat and then do their own.
    • Underground squad (Panashe, Pankurashun, ninja)
      • Counter tunneling attack, capture and bring to Noburi.
      • Drain, summon more Pangolins.
      • Ambush above ground attackers from below afterwards (back lines).
        • Priority targets: Wakahisa, Hazama, etc.
    • Do not get pinned down.

Edit: Added some clarification
 
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FSB'd MEW base (preventing tunnelers) and panels reinforcing key passageways, walls, and ceilings

How are we determining what these "key passageways, walls, and ceilings" are?

Free of walls/abattisses but has an LBF-ed Air Dome at each layer to serve as cover for a retreat.

I really like this idea, but not 100% sure about the precise wording - maybe refer to "gateway" or something instead of layer? It feels a little awkward.
 
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How are we determining what these "key passageways, walls, and ceilings" are?



I really like this idea, but not 100% sure about the precise wording - maybe refer to "gateway" or something instead of layer? It feels a little awkward.
Thats up to Hazou et al in character. They're the soldiers, not me.

Already fixed the wording :)
 
Not sure about the oil thing. Seems like someone could just burn us out with fire jutsu layer by layer. Don't want to tempt fate.

Here's the updated version:



Edit: Added some clarification
How would they burn us out? I mean specifically soaking the walls in oil. If they decide to use them on the wall, well, oh well; they're still small enough for us to jump over, and a ninja can jump over flames just as well as you or I can move our hands through a candle's flame.

It's okay either way though.

Maybe contingencies for if we're pinned down? We'll need some way to rescue Hazou/Noburi when they're on the attack.

If Shikamaru sends the underground assault in a few minutes beforehand we might be able to get some drain going on.
 
How would they burn us out? I mean specifically soaking the walls in oil. If they decide to use them on the wall, well, oh well; they're still small enough for us to jump over, and a ninja can jump over flames just as well as you or I can move our hands through a candle's flame.

It's okay either way though.

Maybe contingencies for if we're pinned down? We'll need some way to rescue Hazou/Noburi when they're on the attack.

If Shikamaru sends the underground assault in a few minutes beforehand we might be able to get some drain going on.
The underground assault should theoretically get there and be dispatched before the above-ground assault makes significant headway.

The path winds around layer to layer, so we have them running half-laps through all these zones while under fire from Keiko and Pandamonium.

The tunnelers only have 4 zones to travel before they hit the facility. They should totally get there first.

I don't really wanna dictate who goes with whom too much since I think that could be problematic, unless the Hivemind wishes me to. In that case, I would have Noburi go with Anti Tunneler squad to get the drain going faster TBH.
 
Too bad we can't bore long thin tunnels (~10cm diameter, ~10m length).

That would be great for crisscrossing a large portion of the underground with water that Noburi can drain people who cross it with -

Might have to fill up a cistern-like thing so the water doesn't just *completely* flow away upon breach
 
Too bad we can't bore long thin tunnels (~10cm diameter, ~10m length).

That would be great for crisscrossing a large portion of the underground with water that Noburi can drain people who cross it with -

Might have to fill up a cistern-like thing so the water doesn't just *completely* flow away upon breach
It's damn unfortunate we don't have a seal that can suck up and carry 1000L of water. On the to do list for sure.

I'm going to sleep. Ping me with edits.
 
I see how it ends, with seals and the world.
It ends with Water Storage Seal.

Remember Kagome's rant about storing chakra? Apply it here.
We get a seal that stores water, alright.
ALL water.

First, oceans and lakes would run dry.
Wakahisa will be first to go, as their barrels hold all their chakra.
Every bit of water in air would disappear as well, leaving it dry as sand.
(How about people? 70% water, right? Let's say that's Bad End 1.)

After we realize what we did? We try to release that water, panicked.
And that's the second part of the end.
All the water reappars. All in one spot. Spot where we opened the seal.

Torrents of water would emerge. Literal oceans flowing out of the dimensional hole that is the seal.
One could say- we got to fix it! How? All of your seals are wet. It's too late.
(If you don't panic and prepare another storage seal? That's a different end. 'Bad' End 2. Probably one you'd enjoy...)
Elemental Nations start to drown, starting with Leaf.

All the infrastructure built over the years would be destroyed. All hidden villages, gone.
Ecology of the entire planet would be thoroughly destroyed. I am not even sure Sky Squids would be okay with this.
Fields and homes will be washed away. A famine to end all famines is coming. (only so much food in storage scrolls, even assuming they get saved)

All those ninja who survive (maybe a few civilians too)? They'll start asking questions, like "What the fuck?!" or "Who the hell did this?!".
They'll see where the water came from. And their guess will get more accurate, the closer they are to the source.
Did you enjoy being missing-nin? Because you'll get to experience a whole new level of being hunted.

Even without Henge, everyone around you will be Zabuza.
Your own hunter-nin, eager for blood. Your blood.
Enjoy. Bad End 3.
 
Here's a question: Would the Wakahisa share any innovations in their barrels that allowed others to use them, or otherwise improved others' effectiveness?

Because... the thought occurs to me that it's entirely possible that they have discovered such things, and been motivated against sharing the discoveries because they are already the most powerful (financially, and population-wise, if nothing else) clan in Mist, and giving others their advantages wouldn't help them.
 
Here's a question: Would the Wakahisa share any innovations in their barrels that allowed others to use them, or otherwise improved others' effectiveness?

Because... the thought occurs to me that it's entirely possible that they have discovered such things, and been motivated against sharing the discoveries because they are already the most powerful (financially, and population-wise, if nothing else) clan in Mist, and giving others their advantages wouldn't help them.

Same goes for any clans.
 
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[X] Training Hazou: Awareness is the Key To Victory
[X] Training Noburi: Be Sure to Never Let Your Guard Down
 
The Fort has a total surface area of
17x10x2+3.5x(17x2+10x2)= 340+189 = 529 m^2

At 90m^2 per casting of MEW, completely cover the fort with 6 castings.

Still not sure what the discussion of the thin-layer of MEW was referring to. If we can do less than 30 cm thick walls, or if Paneru can help with a MEW or MEW like, this becomes much more feasible.
 
The Fort has a total surface area of
17x10x2+3.5x(17x2+10x2)= 340+189 = 529 m^2

At 90m^2 per casting of MEW, completely cover the fort with 6 castings.

Still not sure what the discussion of the thin-layer of MEW was referring to. If we can do less than 30 cm thick walls, or if Paneru can help with a MEW or MEW like, this becomes much more feasible.
I dont think this would be worth the chakra expenditure
 
I'm a bit confused. Why are we on the roof? The "Ranged Attack Zone" is the 1 zone radius surrounding the facility.

We can set LBF Airdomes here for emergencies. I don't know how viable resetting these will be though.

Roof so that Keiko and Pandamonium have constant sight lines for ranged over the abatisses, and so Pandojuru doesn't need to constantly release then refresh the buff technique as they pull back.

I don't think Keiko/other humans will be able to contribute to ranged attack from ground level over effectively layered foliage abatisses. Maybe my mental image is different than yours.

But layered retreat works too, I just think the ranged squad will need to be out in the group also retreating... I don't suspect anyone will be making much more than 5 zones at most movement on an Athletics roll (which eats their standard action) If every safe path zone has a border of 1, they can't close distance and attack at the same time.

Pandojuru+Keiko+Pandemonium at the defended opening, Hazō+Noburi at the zone in front of them. Pandojuru using preferred style block to prevent anyone entering the ranged squad's zone. Hazō + Noburi using AoE seals for their attack, and drawing heat off of ranged squad.


Does a sufficiently trapped area count as a Border:1 to both attack and defense, or only attack?
If physical impediment, I'd say both, but with traps I'd think the defender knows the layout well enough not to be impeded.
 
Roof so that Keiko and Pandamonium have constant sight lines for ranged over the abatisses, and so Pandojuru doesn't need to constantly release then refresh the buff technique as they pull back.

I don't think Keiko/other humans will be able to contribute to ranged attack from ground level over effectively layered foliage abatisses. Maybe my mental image is different than yours.

But layered retreat works too, I just think the ranged squad will need to be out in the group also retreating... I don't suspect anyone will be making much more than 5 zones at most movement on an Athletics roll (which eats their standard action) If every safe path zone has a border of 1, they can't close distance and attack at the same time.

Pandojuru+Keiko+Pandemonium at the defended opening, Hazō+Noburi at the zone in front of them. Pandojuru using preferred style block to prevent anyone entering the ranged squad's zone. Hazō + Noburi using AoE seals for their attack, and drawing heat off of ranged squad.


Does a sufficiently trapped area count as a Border:1 to both attack and defense, or only attack?
If physical impediment, I'd say both, but with traps I'd think the defender knows the layout well enough not to be impeded.
Let me just cook up some fixes to the line of sight problem and some other stuff. I was mulling this over last night and I think small dirt ramps on the interior of each layer would serve well as a place to snipe from.

(But first, coffee.)
 
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