Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

[Emstar]

I like it, I really do, but I think there are 100-500 clanless ninja in Leaf. A few dozen explosive tags represents a few weeks of constant effort. Unless we grind caligraphy and get seals down to one a minute, in which case it only takes a few days.

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Perhaps we work together with Kagome and do some sort of sagemas special for all the good little clanless children (Haru gets coal.)

ANOTHER IDEA;
@faflec Ask Jiraiya about a birthday present ideas for Kagome! We can all band together and get him a super special thing (Super duper massive sealing lab under the compound, or something?). J is a sealmaster so I feel he would have some insight.

 

[Traiden]

I'm pushing it because it is the same in respect to our habitual the despelling of genjutsu. By constantly working at it it could be something that Hazou develops as a habit it for himself. Emotional maturity comes with practice and hard work as well as develops the relationships with those around him into stronger more lasting bonds.

 

[Emstar]

I'm pushing it because it is the same in respect to our habitual the spelling of genjutsu. By constantly working at it it could be something that Hazou develops as a habit it for himself. Emotional maturity comes with practice and hard work as well as develops the relationships with those around him into stronger more lasting bonds.

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Right, but I see this as giving way too many downsides locally than it gives us upsides.

I'm all for doing this in like 2-3 days after we hit the training break.

Do you disagree about potential downsides or do you just not see them as relevant in this?

 

[firestorm440]

I'm pushing it because it is the same in respect to our habitual the spelling of genjutsu. By constantly working at it it could be something that Hazou develops as a habit it for himself. Emotional maturity comes with practice and hard work as well as develops the relationships with those around him into stronger more lasting bonds.

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All well and good, but we have much bigger things on our plate right now. I'm all for doing this in the month-long break between the end of this event and the tournament, but the 24 hours between rounds 1 and 2 are worth their metaphorical weight in gold.

 

[Tua]

Word halves represent secret information that needs to be kept secure. It serves the same purpose as scrolls did in Event 2 of canon Chunin Exams, except the mechanics actually make sense. I think it should be pretty bad for you if you lose or trade this away. Maybe -100 or -200 or something of that order of magnitude?

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I will note that if the Mizukage can get away with it without arousing suspicion, word halves will be worth just enough to get us into the tournament without usurping possible Kurosawa-backing Mist teams above us in the ranking.

She has a vested interest in getting us into the tournament after all.

 

[Traiden]

Having private conversations with those We Trust is a risk? I'm not sure what downsides you are talking about. I'm also recommending Hazou change his habits as a character. Such as making an effort to be more emotionally aware of how his words and actions impact the people around him and at least recognizing their wants and needs.

 

[Emstar]

Having private conversations with those We Trust is a risk? I'm not sure what downsides you are talking about. I'm also recommending Hazou change his habits as a character. Such as making an effort to be more emotionally aware of how his words and actions impact the people around him and at least recognizing their wants and needs.

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*Hazou doesnt know that Akane has dumped his ass.*

Any further time spent on the topic of Akane is more time in which someone could unknowingly let him realize this and then he will Blue Screen of Death, and I dont want that to happen.

Otherwise:

@faflec @Tua et all:

Maybe add (NONLETHALLY) to the Implosion Seal testing? I know OOC we have info that Kagome said these should be good nonlethally vs tunnelers but I want to be very careful here since an Implosion Seal is a weapon powerful enough to be useful in a Jonin v Jonin fight.

 

[Tua]

Such as making an effort to be more emotionally aware of how his words and actions impact the people around him and at least recognizing their wants and needs.

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I agree with this but it can wait the two days it takes to finish this last event.

 

[Immortal Lurker]

Having private conversations with those We Trust is a risk? I'm not sure what downsides you are talking about. I'm also recommending Hazou change his habits as a character. Such as making an effort to be more emotionally aware of how his words and actions impact the people around him and at least recognizing their wants and needs.

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The risk is this: Hazou has not yet realized that Akane broke up with him. He just thinks they are having a fight. He needs to learn soon. Within 72 hours, I say. But not within 48. A preposterous number of things rely on Hazou being at peak performance during round 2, and even a mild mental consequence might penalize alertness slightly.

 

[Jello_Raptor]

I hope word halves are worth a lot, and we can get points for stolen ones.

@faflec , @MMKII : Thoughts on a version of the stealing tactic where we explicitly say we'll return items the day after the round ends?

Same cheeky tone, but explicitly saying that this is a temporary disadvantage and everything will be returned in 2-3 days?

 

[Tua]

@faflec @Tua et all:

Maybe add (NONLETHALLY) to the Implosion Seal testing? I know OOC we have info that Kagome said these should be good nonlethally vs tunnelers but I want to be very careful here since an Implosion Seal is a weapon powerful enough to be useful in a Jonin v Jonin fight.

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Sure, that was the point of testing them anyway, hence checking them with clones and whether they will be dispelled.

 

[Emstar]

I hope word halves are worth a lot, and we can get points for stolen ones.

@faflec , @MMKII : Thoughts on a version of the stealing tactic where we explicitly say we'll return items the day after the round ends?

Same cheeky tone, but explicitly saying that this is a temporary disadvantage and everything will be returned in 2-3 days?

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I would not consider this unless we specified it to only be to Round 2 Reds.

(Also, what's to stop Ren demanding we return them just like she did the Wakahisa barrel? Given some interpretations of the rules, we may not be allowed to keep these over the rest day once she or other proctors find out.)

Even then... You'd have to convince me this is actually more than a marginal benefit to us in Round 2.

Sure, everyone is now gearless. They probably can't use ranged weapons, and maybe this is worth an aspect tag?

 

[Erolki]

Alright, I changed the talk with Shikamaru. Still on the fence about stealing tools and stuff, personally leaning towards NO but if enough people voice support I'll add it in. As for the taunting messages...part of me feels that's a NO for the same reason that stealing stuff is a NO but that's just me.

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I'm also on the no side for stealing - it feels rather unsportsmanlike, and we're explicitly trying to build a positive international reputation. If all we cared about was stomping people, sure, but we have other objectives. Beyond that, all our most dangerous enemies use jutsu, anyway, so the benefits will be more marginal.

Taunting, as long as it's nothing that'll leave lasting grudges, I'm ok with.

 

[Tua]

If people are against stealing, how about gifting? Adding some kunai or explosive seals here and there is going to mess with their heads and will have them question if we tampered with the gear (we did not).

Maybe some will discard some of their gear to be sure or be less likely to use them in combat.

 

[Orisha91]

@faflec @MMKII

We could use the pangolins to identify, track, and trap nearby chakra predators for the plan? Even attracting them closer to us would be helpful.

The beasts would force the teams to waste equipment, which helps us work around stealing. Plus it passively extends our defenses.

 

[Emstar]

If people are against stealing, how about gifting? Adding some kunai or explosive seals here and there is going to mess with their heads and will have them question if we tampered with the gear (we did not).

Maybe some will discard some of their gear to be sure or be less likely to use them in combat.

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Potentially hilarious

@faflec @MMKII

We could use the pangolins to identify, track, and trap nearby chakra predators for the plan? Even attracting them closer to us would be helpful.

The beasts would force the teams to waste equipment, which helps us work around stealing. Plus it passively extends our defenses.

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I just think this might take too much time? We need to spend a lot of time caseing each location to get aspect bonuses, and I feel like a forest close to Mist's gates wouldn't have that much.

But you have reminded me!

@faflec

Perfumerator the current Blue prisoners for easy tracking!

 

[Jello_Raptor]

Ooh, even better. We don't steal their stuff.

Just dip all their more generic stuff (not specially engraved or known to be unique) in strong perfume.

Have everyone's weapons literally smelling like roses.

Alternately, grab some pink paint from the pangolin, and dip everyone's stuff in that.

 

[Traiden]

The thing I am asking for goes beyond just the thing between Akane and Hazou. Being a more emotionally mature person is more than just reacting to a fight/break-up.

 

[Jello_Raptor]

The thing I am asking for goes beyond just the thing between Akane and Hazou. Being a more emotionally mature person is more than just reacting to a fight/break-up.

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I've got a plan handy for this, but we can do it after this event.

 

[Emstar]

The thing I am asking for goes beyond just the thing between Akane and Hazou. Being a more emotionally mature person is more than just reacting to a fight/break-up.

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Right, but asking him to do that now runs the risk of him realizing Akane actually dumped his ass. At a very awkward time.

Do you see what I mean?

In my opinion, you are not sufficiently hedging against this possibility, thus I see the need to either discuss further or argue against your suggestion further since I see this possibility as a danger. You have not really alleviated my concerns here, and if you want this to be something implemented *now*, you really should (I don't see many other people in the thread taking this risk, either).

Ooh, even better. We don't steal their stuff.

Just dip all their more generic stuff (not specially engraved or known to be unique) in strong perfume.

Have everyone's weapons literally smelling like roses.

Alternately, grab some pink paint from the pangolin, and dip everyone's stuff in that.

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This is hilarious. We should perfumerate them though (this gets the gear anyway).

The paint thing is evil. I approve. Convince faflec and you have my vote.

 

[Orisha91]

Potentially hilarious


I just think this might take too much time? We need to spend a lot of time caseing each location to get aspect bonuses, and I feel like a forest close to Mist's gates wouldn't have that much.

But you have reminded me!

@faflec

Perfumerator the current Blue prisoners for easy tracking!

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Well, I'm on board with the Perfumerators. Should attract critters just as easily.

Ooh, even better. We don't steal their stuff.

Just dip all their more generic stuff (not specially engraved or known to be unique) in strong perfume.

Have everyone's weapons literally smelling like roses.

Alternately, grab some pink paint from the pangolin, and dip everyone's stuff in that.

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You are evil.

 

[Traiden]

Akane has made Hazou aware of a bad habit, and it falls to Hazou to work hard and make up for this character flaw. The thing pointed out effects more than just Akane, it is how a lot of people view Hazou as a person. It should be worked on now. The best time to plant a tree is thirty years ago, the second best time is now.

 

[Jello_Raptor]

Akane has made Hazou aware of a bad habit, and it falls to Hazou to work hard and make up for this character flaw. The thing pointed out effects more than just Akane, it is how a lot of people view Hazou as a person. It should be worked on now. The best time to plant a tree is thirty years ago, the second best time is now.

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Right, but sadly it's not a thing that's reasonable to do for another two days.

 

[faflec]

@faflec Ask Jiraiya about a birthday present ideas for Kagome! We can all band together and get him a super special thing (Super duper massive sealing lab under the compound, or something?). J is a sealmaster so I feel he would have some insight.

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I thought we were gonna do like a set of books regarding what he taught us?

Maybe add (NONLETHALLY) to the Implosion Seal testing? I know OOC we have info that Kagome said these should be good nonlethally vs tunnelers but I want to be very careful here since an Implosion Seal is a weapon powerful enough to be useful in a Jonin v Jonin fight.

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Sure.

@faflec , @MMKII : Thoughts on a version of the stealing tactic where we explicitly say we'll return items the day after the round ends?

Same cheeky tone, but explicitly saying that this is a temporary disadvantage and everything will be returned in 2-3 days?

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ehhhhhh...still thinking on it.

Perfumerator the current Blue prisoners for easy tracking!

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Good point.

Ooh, even better. We don't steal their stuff.

Just dip all their more generic stuff (not specially engraved or known to be unique) in strong perfume.

Have everyone's weapons literally smelling like roses.

Alternately, grab some pink paint from the pangolin, and dip everyone's stuff in that.

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Can add the perfumerator plan to the above. The pink paint...what's the plan for that, besides making them angry? They'll most likely be assaulting in the dead of night, I don't think we'd see the paint?

Taking most of this stuff from MMKII's plan. Ping me.

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[X] Action Plan: Retroactive Partying

• Run plan through Keiko/Noburi, and later with ISC (as applicable).
  • Maintain OPSEC (handsigns/Air Dome).
• Don't jeopardize Round 2.
• Stick together.

Retroactively:

• Perfumerate enemies/their equipment.
• Guesstimate enemy combat styles (physique, weapons...).
  • VD check elemental affinities.
• Pangolins:
  • Maybe unsummoning some (Pandojuru, Pangaya), reducing chakra drain.
  • Summon Paneru: Casing/defense consultation.
• Deliver prisoners to ISC.
  • We're "honoring our deal".
  • Confirm details to keep story straight.
  • Get ISC to precommit to strategies:
    • Limit attack vectors: 'Safe' Underground + single aboveground path (we turn into a deathtrap).
• R2 prep:
  • Brainstorm plausible attacks/defenses.
  • Case locations with Pangolins for: tunneling defenses, Pangolin counterattack/ambush vectors, effective defensive artillery fire....
  • Make thin MEW sheets for 5SB.
    • Enough to defend outer walls/key rooms from inside.
    • Tie together (wire) & put in storage seals.
  • Make seals as time permits.
  • Test implosion seal anti-underground effectiveness/nonlethality (use clones).
  • Re-drain prisoners to refresh unconsciousness.
    • High-priority targets: Wakahisa, social specs, intelligence bloodlines, Team Kurenai.

Afterparty:

• Have fun. Socialize with everyone!
  • Jiraiya calls the shots.
• If Hana comes, maybe tell a story (OPSEC-sanitized).
• After afterparty, rest fully until morning.

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[Emstar]

Akane has made Hazou aware of a bad habit, and it falls to Hazou to work hard and make up for this character flaw. The thing pointed out effects more than just Akane, it is how a lot of people view Hazou as a person. It should be worked on now. The best time to plant a tree is thirty years ago, the second best time is now.

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This is arguing for your idea still. I'm asking you to give supporting evidence for why this won't also cause a fuckup now. I.e.:

"Why would doing this now not also cause Hazou to become aware of the Akane situation?"

Implementing this now (as opposed to a few updates from now) would require convincing me (and likely many others) that the above question has answers, and that your implementation has those answers present.

I'm going to drop this line of conversation now, unless you manage to answer that question satisfactorily and in a way that isn't some variation of "But we should get started on it anyway, sooner the better."

Note: I support this in general. Just not right this minute.

I thought we were gonna do like a set of books regarding what he taught us?

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I didn't know we settled on that. Thats good too!

(I think like, a massive sealing lab underneath the compound would be a bit cooler IMO. Thats okay though, since we can do this later and he'll like it just as much.)