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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MadScientist said:
If it were doable the Wakahisa would have done it.
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Who says they haven't? It's entirely possible they would restrict that kind of technique to Chuunin/Jounin level Wakahisa. Think about it: If Wakahisa were publically, notably exceptional in combat as that would imply, they'd be a lot more at risk.

It's also possible that it requires personalization to the Wakahisa in question and is only mildly-transferable (IE: Requires separate research, sealing or otherwise, on a per-Wakahisa basis).
 
Cariyaga said:
Who says they haven't? It's entirely possible they would restrict that kind of technique to Chuunin/Jounin level Wakahisa. Think about it: If Wakahisa were publically, notably exceptional in combat as that would imply, they'd be a lot more at risk.

It's also possible that it requires personalization to the Wakahisa in question and is only mildly-transferable (IE: Requires separate research, sealing or otherwise, on a per-Wakahisa basis).
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I would find it amusing if it turned out that the Wakahisa and the Kurosawa were both keeping their true power secret but in the exact opposite way.

Wakahisa: We've got enough chakra to be gods of combat but we'll keep that a secret so all of our ninja end up in much safer support roles.
Kurosawa: You know, we could put all of our Genin into sealing mass production, not only keeping them all safe but elevating Mist's power enormously, but we're keeping that a secret because we want to punch things!
 
Or noone with high enough technique hacking has tried.

My guess is an ancestor wakahisa with high technique hacking/medical skill invented their surgery. To make improvements to it we'd need someone with higher technique hacking to make a try at it. Possibly with medical skill thresholds too.

That's a cool late-game goal for Noburi. He achieves high enough medical skill levels (and/or technique hacking) to improve or fix his Chakra system without losing his bloodline. All the benefits, none of the risks.
 
Cariyaga said:
Ideally, yeah. Same thing goes for Noburi, though.

We need to get him some levels in Technique Hacking so he can work out how to get around that downside of his bloodline. Maybe Kabuto can help with that.
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Just have someone design some nice support combat jutsu, maybe Jiraiya when he's got a moment?

e.g.

Technique: Razor Water
Description: covers the user's chakra constructs with a layer of impossibly sharp razor water, giving them the effect of Weapons 4 for ~half a minute.

Stats:
Weapons 4 = +40 strain
Duration: half a minute +30 strain
Durability 1 = 6 Strain
Range: -2
Casting Speed: Supplemental +20 strain
Disadvantage: Stealth - 20 (- 10 strain)
Adjustable Casting Time (-10 to use standard action)

Total strain: 76 if standard action, 86 if supplemental action
Total Casting Cost: 15 CP for standard action, 17 CP for supplemental action


Get one level in the skill, and now Noburi can do 2 more stress tracks with every hit in a combat for 51 CP
This then means grabbing +1 Chakra Reserves for 22 XP, and Noburi effectively has permanent +2 stress in combat for 23 XP, which seems like a good deal.

Now, one might argue that this is totally unrelated to Noburi's bloodline and just using an exploit that anyone with a technique hacking expert has access to. They'd be right. Speaking of, if we're going to be sent on Chunnin level missions anytime soon, we should see about getting someone to design some nice elemental jutsu for us. Surely there are some political levers we can pull to make it happen without needing to spend XP right?
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I would find it amusing if it turned out that the Wakahisa and the Kurosawa were both keeping their true power secret but in the exact opposite way.

Wakahisa: We've got enough chakra to be gods of combat but we'll keep that a secret so all of our ninja end up in much safer support roles.
Kurosawa: You know, we could put all of our Genin into sealing mass production, not only keeping them all safe but elevating Mist's power enormously, but we're keeping that a secret because we want to punch things!
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You know, that thought occured to me, too.

TBQH though I'm pretty sure the Kurosawa do that anyway. I'd be willing to bet Kurosawa have the option to "retire" early and help their sealmasters pump out seals.
 
Cariyaga said:
Who says they haven't? It's entirely possible they would restrict that kind of technique to Chuunin/Jounin level Wakahisa. Think about it: If Wakahisa were publically, notably exceptional in combat as that would imply, they'd be a lot more at risk.

It's also possible that it requires personalization to the Wakahisa in question and is only mildly-transferable (IE: Requires separate research, sealing or otherwise, on a per-Wakahisa basis).
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Then let me put it another way: the QMs were annoyed that Noburi was too powerful and it reduced the challenge we faced. They aren't going to make decisions that return Noburi to this previous power-level.
 
MadScientist said:
Then let me put it another way: the QMs were annoyed that Noburi was too powerful and it reduced the challenge we faced. They aren't going to make decisions that return Noburi to this previous power-level.
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Noburi's previous power level was a result of poorly defined draining more than "amount of chakra he had access to". Sure, the latter was a nice bonus, but it wasn't really the OP part in my opinion.

(Also I'm still mildly sad about that nerf. We absolutely would not have built him as a ninjutsu specialist if we knew it was going to cost him such a more substantial amount of chakra to use his techniques than the rest of us.)
 
Cariyaga said:
Noburi's previous power level was a result of poorly defined draining more than "amount of chakra he had access to". Sure, the latter was a nice bonus, but it wasn't really the OP part in my opinion.

(Also I'm still mildly sad about that nerf. We absolutely would not have built him as a ninjutsu specialist if we knew it was going to cost him such a more substantial amount of chakra to use his techniques than the rest of us.)
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Tbf, Noburi still comes out ahead in chakra compared to non-bloodline users. He has 1.67*relative-chakra. "One times five divided by three" is better than "One times one divided by one". It's just that the relative usefulness of his chakra is disproportionately skewed towards "give it to someone else".
 
Cariyaga said:
Noburi's previous power level was a result of poorly defined draining more than "amount of chakra he had access to". Sure, the latter was a nice bonus, but it wasn't really the OP part in my opinion.

(Also I'm still mildly sad about that nerf. We absolutely would not have built him as a ninjutsu specialist if we knew it was going to cost him such a more substantial amount of chakra to use his techniques than the rest of us.)
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It is worth noting that technically, he is still ~5/3 times as competent as a random ninja in terms of "able to level up chakra to power ninjutsu," though I'll grant that there's power in the "have him be Weapons spec, and someone else with high chakra capacity be ninjutsu spec, and someone with virtually no chakra do punching."
 
Radvic said:
It is worth noting that technically, he is still ~5/3 times as competent as a random ninja in terms of "able to level up chakra to power ninjutsu," though I'll grant that there's power in the "have him be Weapons spec, and someone else with high chakra capacity be ninjutsu spec, and someone with virtually no chakra do punching."
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The problem with this is that while Noburi gets more chakra, he also uses more. This means that any chakra donated to him, that he uses, is three times less effective than it would be on anyone else. This is especially bad when you consider that It would take multiple days of full drain from Hazou/Keiko to refill him.

He will not be able to summon effectively at all due to this.

e: Even if he had a summon scroll, Keiko would still be better off summoning than he would be.
 
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MadScientist said:
No, he'll be able to summon 1.67 times better than a non Wakahisa without access to a Wakahisa. It's just that the same chakra donated to Kei would let Kei summon 5 times better, even disregarding her own chakra.
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Uh. He will be able to summon 1.67 times more, yes, at the cost of his allies' chakra regen for several days thereafter. That's my point.
 
Tua said:
Also, everyone is missing the most obvious reason Jiraiya left:

The fake Kazekage from a previous update got replaced by Gaara's father this update. And no one but him noticed.

This is very concerning.
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-who is actually Orochimaru.

-who is actually Zabuza.

-but we really should consider that this may be due to something another Kage said or did to accidentally tip their hand when J surprised them with the bet. There must be some reason he lied about what he's doing.
 
Cariyaga said:
Uh. He will be able to summon 1.67 times more, yes, at the cost of his allies' chakra regen for several days thereafter. That's my point.
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This is just until we learn how to fill his barrel with engineered fast-reproducing chakra-algae, or just replace it with a literal chakra battery.
 
MadScientist said:
Well he can store the chakra they would regenerate past their maximum. Whereas if he wasn't leeching it then it would go to waste. I don't see the problem?
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We are out on a mission and get into a fight. Noburi spends 450 chakra to summon a single Pankurashun-level summon. After the fight, Team Uplift is running on fumes, he is unable to refuel them, and in fact he causes Team Uplift to take longer to get back into fighting condition again because he has to refill off of them.
 
Cariyaga said:
We are out on a mission and get into a fight. Noburi spends 450 chakra to summon a single Pankurashun-level summon. After the fight, Team Uplift is running on fumes, he is unable to refuel them, and in fact he causes Team Uplift to take longer to get back into fighting condition again because he has to refill off of them.
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If we're out on a mission can't we drain chakra from local wildlife? I mean, that's how we did things in the past...
 
faflec said:
If we're out on a mission can't we drain chakra from local wildlife? I mean, that's how we did things in the past...
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I am not confident that "fight native wildlife in the immediate aftermath of a ninja fight to try to get chakra back" is a wise decision, though it is possible.
 
faflec said:
Fight native...

No, I mean go to a pond, or a river, or whatever, and chakra drain everything. We did it all the time as missing-nin.
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I suppose...? I'm... not entirely sure how much chakra the average pond has.

e: That said, Noburi learning to use natural chakra would be an easy solution for this.
 
Cariyaga said:
That said, Noburi learning to use natural chakra would be an easy solution for this.
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I'm sorry to keep being contrarian, I'm not trying to just shoot down everything you say, I swear, but no. Sage Mode is something you don't try to learn unless you're Jiraiya-level talented. One mistake in training turns you to stone. Statistically, if we asked Noburi to learn it, then at the end of it there would be a few timelines with Sage-Noburis in them, and a lot of timelines with statues in them.
 
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