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I'm leery on the "Keiko gets stoned from Summoning overuse" because of the reactions of the other Kages. Yes, technically none of them were canonically Summoners, but I don't see how, in a rational universe, you become a Kage without at least knowing the risk of Summoning overuse. Yet none of them thought of the rampage strategy as risking our lives.

Maybe because it's normally not possible without respectively sufficient Chakra reserves?
 
The summon realms are nations, aren't they? And summoners can't summon more than what, a few dozen individuals at most? That's one really small military unit. It's a drop in the bucket.

We've been told that jounin are 'whole percentage points' of their village's military. If the summons are supposed to be this great fighting force capable of tipping the scales of entire wars as Enjou was suggesting, the summoner would have to basically ask their summon clan to lend a large fraction of their total firepower to the cause.
 
We've been told that jounin are 'whole percentage points' of their village's military. If the summons are supposed to be this great fighting force capable of tipping the scales of entire wars as Enjou was suggesting, the summoner would have to basically ask their summon clan to lend a large fraction of their total firepower to the cause.
EN demographics != Summon Nation demographics
 
Fair point, but if we don't know enough about it to say one way or the other, we still can't say with confidence that Summoners could get their summon clan to put dozens of Jounin-equivalents on standby just for the sake of some human-path wars.
That's true. On the other hand, we can say that the Pangolins are quite well incentivized to, so long as we keep the 5SB flowing.
 
It's more that this is a unique case - Summoners generally can't sustain large numbers of summons because of the expense of summoning them in the first place, with the hourly cost added on after that. They wouldn't likely have any cause to know the details of what would happen if you had a Summoner able to refill their chakra with Wakahisa assistance.
But if that's the case then why didn't Ren not know of it, and point out the failure/stupidity of Jiraiya's proposed strategy? Surely she would have been aware of it given that she's the Mizukage and etc.?

Unless you think she's trying to exploit this for her own gain...which is possible.
 
Say, when a summon is summoned, what happens to their bodies in the summon realm? Do they disappear, or fall over unconscious, or what?
 
But if that's the case then why didn't Ren not know of it, and point out the failure/stupidity of Jiraiya's proposed strategy? Surely she would have been aware of it given that she's the Mizukage and etc.?

Unless you think she's trying to exploit this for her own gain...which is possible.

She's not a summoner, not a Wakahisa, and hasn't had the hat for very long. Probably hasn't been relevant to her thus far, as she's been mainly focused on the diplomatic efforts.
 
I'm not sure. However, being killed in the human path does have deleterious effects on them, though it doesn't kill them.
rulesdoc said:
This process disrupts the metaphysical link between summon and summoner for a variable length of time that correlates with the strength of the summon. It is also frequently traumatic, since it basically involves dying, which may have effects in-story and/or be represented by mental stresses.
Here you go.
She's not a summoner, not a Wakahisa, and hasn't had the hat for very long. Probably hasn't been relevant to her thus far, as she's been mainly focused on the diplomatic efforts.
...true...

Ugh. I'm going to really hate it if the "can't summon with Wakahisa chakra or else risk death", honestly.
I recall this being that if Team Uplift reached Jounin-level, we'd be accepted with open arms, as we'd be an entire percent of Konoha's military forces? I can't seem to find the statement in question, though.
As in almost all things in this world, being stronger makes your goal easier to achieve. As a group of chuunin or lower with one jounin the optimal strategy would be to sequester you bloodliners away from the world until your clans are good and started, and only then allow Mist to find out once it's too late to do anything about it. Probably not what you players want. As a group of four (five?) jounin you would represent a significant concentration of power. In fact you'd make up entire percentage points of Leaf's total strength. Also you would be far more likely to survive long enough to found proper clans from which your more long term worth stems. You'd also have much more freedom and be completing more missions because your direct application of power would have greater comparative utility when compared to your long term worth.
Here you go.
 
The wonderful Nick Bostrom has an entire paper on the typology of real-life info hazards. It's all rather interesting and from my brief scan does not seem an infohazard in of itself. Mostly they are all examples of how information getting into the hands of someone else can change their actions in a negative way, or how info that gets into one's own hands can alter one's actions in a negative way.

I don't think it covers any info that is inherently and legitimately harmful to the person who knows it. Some areas of mysticism and religion profess the existence of certain memetic infohazards, but like, it's mysticism and religion so I can only that so seriously.

I can legit not imagine anything but Roko's Basilisk that might actually be a real memetic infohazard. If there is please PM me.

https://nickbostrom.com/information-hazards.pdf

Erotic fiction or pictures would be a good and really old memetic hazard.

Read one of my older sister's trashy books once when I was on the toilet.
I'm ashamed to admit I was surprised how quick my heart was racing...

I left that bathroom finally realizing why women chuckle at men needing porn flicks. Those things are demonic and magical.

And now that I've primed everyone, let's try something with a few innocent words.

Ex: Moist, wet, fingers, night

Did anyone's heart rate spile a bit?;)
 
If you're not careful with nature chakra, it turns you into stone.

If you are not careful about putting the chakra into your body, including draining it right inside your system or learning Sage Mode which basically does the same by taking nature chakra from the environment and puts it into your body.

Just being around nature chakra doesn't do anything since it is everywhere. Even if you want to argue it is more dense around summons the logical assumption would be that it would be even more dense inside the Seventh Path, so all those visits Keiko and Jiraiya undertook would have had an effect - but they didn't. Which is why I also doubt that Keiko is in danger to begin with just summoning them.

I suppose you could equate it with radiation; it is everywhere, some places have a higher concentration but if you don't get any side effects living in a world with vastly increased radiation, you should be fine just being 3-4 entities who radiate out some of the absorbed radiation they brought from home.

FWIW, I also doubt it's water poisoning because it makes no sense for Noburi not to know about it. It's like hearing about a Chunin ninja who doesn't know how to hold a kunai without hurting himself.

E:
We only have one confirmed Leaf summoner before Keiko joined up, after all.

Kakashi can summon dogs and the Third Hokage was (as his name suggests) the monkey summoner in canon. There is no indication this changed in MfD or why it would. I think Gai could also summon turtles but not sure if this was a proper summoning contract or just a throw away joke.
 
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You know, theoretically, if Keiko could make nice with the toads it's possible they could help train her in natural chakra.
 
Kakashi can summon dogs and the Third Hokage was (as his name suggests) the monkey summoner in canon. There is no indication this changed in MfD or why it would.
And Gai (Turtle summoner), and Danzo (Baku), and Tsunade (Slugs), and formerly Orochimaru (Snakes), and formerly Itachi (Crows)...
 
And Gai (Turtle summoner), and Danzo (Baku), and Tsunade (Slugs), and formerly Orochimaru (Snakes), and formerly Itachi (Crows)...

So basically Leaf has been handing out summoning contracts like candy. At least Sasuke and those stupid cats didn't turn out to be a summon.
 
Ugh. I'm going to really hate it if the "can't summon with Wakahisa chakra or else risk death", honestly.

My thought is that it's less about using Wakahisa chakra and more about something regarding the summoning technique's sustain mechanism having natural energy generate in the body to keep the summons going, risking petrification if that goes on too long due to the body's balance of chakra getting out of whack and having too much natural energy. Larger innate chakra reserves may help, due to it taking longer for the balance to be restored, but the problem would still be there.

It's not so much a problem to summon a bunch of summons at once, but rather a matter of sustaining them. That'd give Mist an advantage with respect to their summons, even if they had a low number of summon scrolls relative to everyone else, but keep them from having a sustainable pain train that could roll over battlefields through Wakahisa chakra transfers.
 
You don't dream or you just forget your dreams?
I suppose I don't remember them, but the difference is pretty moot. There are a few that I remember, mostly nightmares, so it's true that I do have them. Oh, and I frequently wake up with a false memory that something has happened and have to spend a few seconds logicking out the fact that no, they did not happen. These days those things are often quest related, whereas a few years ago they were related to my startup. ("Oh, shit, all the drive space on the DB server filled up, the site is down, and we've missed hours of harvesting data!" I had to physically login to the machine to convince myself that that was not real.)

And Gai (Turtle summoner), and Danzo (Baku), and Tsunade (Slugs), and formerly Orochimaru (Snakes), and formerly Itachi (Crows)...
My understanding is that Gai is seen to summon a turtle in exactly one panel of one issue. As to the rest ...Dead, (semi-)missing, missing, missing. It might be worth checking if any of them actually had contracts and, if so, when they got them.
 
My understanding is that Gai is seen to summon a turtle in exactly one panel of one issue. As to the rest ...Dead, (semi-)missing, missing, missing. It might be worth checking if any of them actually had contracts and, if so, when they got them.
He summons his turtle twice. Once during the Sasuke v. Lee fight before the Chunin Exams first round, and the second when chasing Kisame at the Island Turtle.
 
I remember reading that Tsunade's summon was just one really enormous slug that could split itself up into smaller selves, not a nation of slugs. Are we going with that?

As for the what happens to summons when they're summoned thing, if that fall unconscious that's a really big risk for any summon to take. Especially the powerful ones. They wouldn't be able to defend themselves in the summon realm when they were summoned.
 
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