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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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I know of one 'real life' 'infohazard' which is basically a "hey you can learn this one weird movement that can hurt you very easily, and then if you're that kind of personality it could be tempting to do it". Don't know of anyone who has actually 'executed' on it.

But it is a detail that afaik it only hurts you to know so it kinda counts?

You could also count atheism as an 'infohazard' if you subscribe to the belief that religious people are more happy because they're religious (rather than being religious because thye're more happy, or some third cause corellation)
 
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Citrus said:
Perhaps draining a Pangolin means Chakra is drained out of Keiko simultaneously (sustain cost), meaning she is at risk of speedy Chakra exhaustion and death? Unfortunately means a hard counter to summons for those with regular human reserves
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That wouldn't make any sense, because when Pangolins use jutsu they aren't draining chakra out of Keiko.
 
I think that mcolough effect is a good example of info hazard.
Well its not like it "harms" you( i guess it can be annoying for a long time) , and you don't get affected just by knowing about it.
But I think it counts anyway.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I know of at least one real one (not Roko's half-baked Basilisk) - I will not be telling you what it is, for obvious reasons.
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Is it this one?:

If you know that it's possible to feel pain in a dream the you will start to suffer pain in your dreams.
Someone on Reddit told me that one. It had no effect on me, but I don't generally dream anyway.

Origami Clock said:
Speaking as someone who has to put in serious effort to be statistically likely of making it to 30, please try and get in touch with a professional if you're being serious here. It helped me.
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Please live. The 30s are a way better time than the 20s; you don't want to miss them.
 
Anderkent said:
I know of one 'real life' 'infohazard' which is basically a "hey you can learn this one weird movement that can hurt you very easily, and then if you're that kind of personality it could be tempting to do it". Don't know of anyone who has actually 'executed' on it.

But it is a detail that afaik it only hurts you to know so it kinda counts?

You could also count atheism as an 'infohazard' if you subscribe to the belief that religious people are more happy because they're religious (rather than being religious because thye're more happy, or some third cause corellation)
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I'm far from an expert, but there's evidence that the correlation is ~entirely due to the social aspect of religious, rather than belief per se. So causal relationship, but only because of something you can get without religion. (Though clearly it's harder on average.)

In general, isn't anything of the form "here's a thing that's net harmful to do, knowledge of the existence of which isn't useful to you" a mini-infohazard?
 
Anderkent said:
You could also count atheism as an 'infohazard' if you subscribe to the belief that religious people are more happy because they're religious (rather than being religious because thye're more happy, or some third cause corellation)
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Bostrom's typology would classify that as a: "Belief-constituted value hazard", wher "If some component of well-being depends constitutively on epistemic or attentional states, then information that alters those states might thereby directly impact well-being".
 
There may be a weird thing involved in summoning contracts, like the animal clan agrees to give a reasonable chance to the signing summoner. Or the signatory can refuse the reverse summons call? Thus may not work to forcibly reverse summon enemies, etc.
 
eaglejarl said:
Is it this one?:

If you know that it's possible to feel pain in a dream the you will start to suffer pain in your dreams.
Someone on Reddit told me that one. It had no effect on me, but I don't generally dream anyway.
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That's the one! It didn't really work on me either - I think you have to really internalise it for it to work, so I just don't think about it too much.
Anderkent said:
I know of one 'real life' 'infohazard' which is basically a "hey you can learn this one weird movement that can hurt you very easily, and then if you're that kind of personality it could be tempting to do it". Don't know of anyone who has actually 'executed' on it.

But it is a detail that afaik it only hurts you to know so it kinda counts?

You could also count atheism as an 'infohazard' if you subscribe to the belief that religious people are more happy because they're religious (rather than being religious because thye're more happy, or some third cause corellation)
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Oh, I forgot about that one - I know two real infohazards.
 
eaglejarl said:
Please live. The 30s are a way better time than the 20s; you don't want to miss them.
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I'm really hoping I do. Hence the effort. It'd be lovely if they work out an actual treatment plan (that isn't guesswork brain surgery) to treat Personality Disorders reliably. At least the form of SzPD I have is minor enough I can actually have emotional connections with other people.
 
Origami Clock said:
I'm really hoping I do. Hence the effort. It'd be lovely if they work out an actual treatment plan (that isn't guesswork brain surgery) to treat Personality Disorders reliably. At least the form of SzPD I have is minor enough I can actually have emotional connections with other people.
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Well, you have at least us! We like you and want you around, inasmuch as that helps!
 
Complete side-note, but if things with Jiraiya turn out okay in the near future, his bet (which puts both our lives and his job in more danger) ensures we're going to get ALL the seals we need for round 2 :p
 
The idea that infohazards aren't real or aren't "actually hazardous" is itself an infohazard, as when it is invoked in the right circumstances (c.f. - this very same discussion), it drives people to want to either prove or disprove it. This creates an environment by which other infohazards could be spread, even by those that would not otherwise spread them.
 
Origami Clock said:
Speaking as someone who has to put in serious effort to be statistically likely of making it to 30, please try and get in touch with a professional if you're being serious here. It helped me.
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Oh boy here I go derailing threads again. I just love derailing threads. Nothing better.

The things I most want are orthogonal to what people in general want, in a way that if I tried to achieve them I would be stopped with lethal force (p>0.999). The few things that I do enjoy in life, despite that, are dulling.

I can't find the source of the following quote, but it's been bouncing around my thoughtspace for a bit. Something to the effect of: If you know that there is evidence that will cause you to update your beliefs in the future, it is better to update *now* and save yourself time being wrong.
Fun fact. 3000/4000mg of acetaminophen is listed as the maximum daily safe dose. 5-6× that at once isn't LD100.
If you think that Bitcoin is a good investment, but then your trusted friend who is usually persuasive, savvy, and much more often than not, right, sends you a message telling you to get your money out of it now, and he can tell you why in a long write up by the end of the day...

If you would expect that you would be persuaded by your friend's write up, it is better to sell at the point of receiving the initial notice rather than waiting until you read the write up itself.

And if you can see the pattern in your life with nearly constantly increasing malaise and dissatisfaction with life, with chances of something better happening getting increasingly lower over time...

Eh.
Well, better to start working on removing the fear/aversion of pain built in, or source some high explosives.
 
Vecht said:
The idea that infohazards aren't real or aren't "actually hazardous" is itself an infohazard, as when it is invoked in the right circumstances (c.f. - this very same discussion), it drives people to want to either prove or disprove it. This creates an environment by which other infohazards could be spread, even by those that would not otherwise spread them.
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So I suppose we'd call that a metainfohazard?
 
Dissonance said:
Oh boy here I go derailing threads again. I just love derailing threads. Nothing better.

The things I most want are orthogonal to what people in general want, in a way that if I tried to achieve them I would be stopped with lethal force (p>0.999). The few things that I do enjoy in life, despite that, are dulling.

I can't find the source of the following quote, but it's been bouncing around my thoughtspace for a bit. Something to the effect of: If you know that there is evidence that will cause you to update your beliefs in the future, it is better to update *now* and save yourself time being wrong.
Fun fact. 3000/4000mg of acetaminophen is listed as the maximum daily safe dose. 5-6× that at once isn't LD100.
If you think that Bitcoin is a good investment, but then your trusted friend who is usually persuasive, savvy, and much more often than not, right, sends you a message telling you to get your money out of it now, and he can tell you why in a long write up by the end of the day...

If you would expect that you would be persuaded by your friend's write up, it is better to sell at the point of receiving the initial notice rather than waiting until you read the write up itself.

And if you can see the pattern in your life with nearly constantly increasing malaise and dissatisfaction with life, with chances of something better happening getting increasingly lower over time...

Eh.
Well, better to start working on removing the fear/aversion of pain built in, or source some high explosives.
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When I'm not in a good mental place, I find it very important to distrust what I'm thinking about myself and my own preferences. That's why it's important to talk to a professional, both for medical reasons, and to improve your sense of well-being. I want you to be able to be happy without making others unhappy. I may not know you especially well, but I do know a few other people that also have similarly-misaligned (to common preferences) desires, and professional help can and does help with that.
 
Dissonance said:
Oh boy here I go derailing threads again. I just love derailing threads. Nothing better.

The things I most want are orthogonal to what people in general want, in a way that if I tried to achieve them I would be stopped with lethal force (p>0.999). The few things that I do enjoy in life, despite that, are dulling.

I can't find the source of the following quote, but it's been bouncing around my thoughtspace for a bit. Something to the effect of: If you know that there is evidence that will cause you to update your beliefs in the future, it is better to update *now* and save yourself time being wrong.
Fun fact. 3000/4000mg of acetaminophen is listed as the maximum daily safe dose. 5-6× that at once isn't LD100.
If you think that Bitcoin is a good investment, but then your trusted friend who is usually persuasive, savvy, and much more often than not, right, sends you a message telling you to get your money out of it now, and he can tell you why in a long write up by the end of the day...

If you would expect that you would be persuaded by your friend's write up, it is better to sell at the point of receiving the initial notice rather than waiting until you read the write up itself.

And if you can see the pattern in your life with nearly constantly increasing malaise and dissatisfaction with life, with chances of something better happening getting increasingly lower over time...

Eh.
Well, better to start working on removing the fear/aversion of pain built in, or source some high explosives.
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Well, I do have some counterintuitive advice for you. Don't trust your own perceptions of how you are, and how the world is and will be. I intermittently am struck with grandiose/paranoid delusions that would absolutely be detrimental to me if I let them out of my skull, or malaises where I can't stand the presence of my own thoughts for days. What helps is that I know the patterns of thought that correlate to my irrational episodes, and can then proceed to try to mitigate them. Hell, that's why I'm on SV, because it is a cornucopia of content to distract me during my depressive episodes while providing a place where I can argue and vent safely when I need to do that.

That's why I recommend seeking professional assistance, because having someone who can offer a detached and realistic assessment of your thoughts and feelings is worth its weight in Apple shares.
 
Is that Jiraiya the Hokage, sage, sealmaster, father, or godfather panicking?

IMHO petrification is unlikely, the summoning jutsu uses regular chakra, which should apply to the construct bodies as well.

Regular chakra/water poisoning shouldn't require immediate action.

To me, that leaves sealing, and lo and behold, we have three potential issues:
- he remembered infusing seals while half-asleep and fears a sealing incident
- pangolin hearing might be broader spectrum than human, thus not being fully protected by banshee slayers?
- the pangolin seal deal requires Keiko's and Hazou's hands to be unharmed

Again, only the first seems to fit his reaction.

But in the end, we can only speculate and wait where the dice fall.
 
Vecht said:
The idea that infohazards aren't real or aren't "actually hazardous" is itself an infohazard, as when it is invoked in the right circumstances (c.f. - this very same discussion), it drives people to want to either prove or disprove it. This creates an environment by which other infohazards could be spread, even by those that would not otherwise spread them.
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By that logic could you not say that the concept of an infohazard is, in of itself, an infohazard? As it will drive some subsection of the population to seek them out of sheer cat-killing curiosity.
 
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