Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
If we MC everyone but 12 people, they might as well cancel Round 2, put those 12 in the tournament, and pick four other high scoring people (scores prior to this event) to fill in the rest.
Hell, if there are 16 left then that's enough for our purposes.
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That would be fucking hilarious. Literally. Mother. Fucking. Hilarious.
Do you know what the tournament would look like? Team Goketsu and Team Asuma from Leaf. 4 other high-scorers, probably from Mist (because Mist needs to look good).
But the rest? Nobodies. Random fuckwads from Wolf, Sky, Rivers, Rice, and Fang. Two of them aren't even combat-spec, and the rest are all Taijutsu-based.
Edit: Forgot about Gomi. Oh well
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It'd be pretty good advertisement for Leaf -- wanna succeed? Work with us.That would be fucking hilarious. Literally. Mother. Fucking. Hilarious.
Do you know what the tournament would look like? Team Goketsu and Team Asuma from Leaf. 4 other high-scorers, probably from Mist (because Mist needs to look good).
But the rest? Nobodies. Random fuckwads from Wolf, Sky, Rivers, Rice, and Fang. Two of them aren't even combat-spec, and the rest are all Taijutsu-based.
Edit: Forgot about Gomi. Oh well
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Yeah, you don't get better advertising than "work with us and no matter how weak your people are individually, we'll carry you to the finish line".
Too bad Mist won't be doing that
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Some random observations from the update:
Here ladies and gentlemen, we can see the true value of opsec. Our enemies had no clue about Goo Bombs, Banshees or Pepper Macerators, and their strategy took none of them into account. Result? Wrecked by Goo Bombs and Pepper Macerators.
Our own site will absolutely need to have at least two additional concealed exits. It's really quite silly that containing most of the enemy team inside the building, making them sitting ducks for our room clearing strategy, was just a question of sealing the single exit shut. You don't even need MEW for that.
Since this is from Hinata's point of view, I think we can put to rest the paranoid hypothesis that she's some kind of expert social manipulator. The hypothesis that she's not that far from her canon disposition, albeit with much better self-esteem and political sense, seems very probable right now.
In other words, Hazou should absolutely befriend her.
C'mon @eaglejarl, what did Hazou mean here? We have tentacles in his head, we should know! What's the use of being a transdimensional cosmic horror from the Out if you can't even get some choice spoilers for the protagonist's plans?
Here ladies and gentlemen, we can see the true value of opsec. Our enemies had no clue about Goo Bombs, Banshees or Pepper Macerators, and their strategy took none of them into account. Result? Wrecked by Goo Bombs and Pepper Macerators.
Our own site will absolutely need to have at least two additional concealed exits. It's really quite silly that containing most of the enemy team inside the building, making them sitting ducks for our room clearing strategy, was just a question of sealing the single exit shut. You don't even need MEW for that.
Since this is from Hinata's point of view, I think we can put to rest the paranoid hypothesis that she's some kind of expert social manipulator. The hypothesis that she's not that far from her canon disposition, albeit with much better self-esteem and political sense, seems very probable right now.
In other words, Hazou should absolutely befriend her.
C'mon @eaglejarl, what did Hazou mean here? We have tentacles in his head, we should know! What's the use of being a transdimensional cosmic horror from the Out if you can't even get some choice spoilers for the protagonist's plans?
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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...Are we going to turn this whole generation of the Hyuuga clan?
You don't even have to be Shikaku to be going "What the fuck."
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Speaking of our team, does anyone else find it extremely sketchy that Doigama had a very reasonable sounding excuse to not have mentioned his village mate?That would be fucking hilarious. Literally. Mother. Fucking. Hilarious.
Do you know what the tournament would look like? Team Goketsu and Team Asuma from Leaf. 4 other high-scorers, probably from Mist (because Mist needs to look good).
But the rest? Nobodies. Random fuckwads from Wolf, Sky, Rivers, Rice, and Fang. Two of them aren't even combat-spec, and the rest are all Taijutsu-based.
Edit: Forgot about Gomi. Oh well
For reference:
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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That's why I didn't ask for the answers, just for whether answers exist somewhere in QM land, even if that answer is "the question assumes things that are false, therefore it is nonsensical". I'm curious about current simulation resolution so that I don't waste my time reading too much into stuff you've already written.
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Also, we know there are things it can't see through, the anti-Hyuuga privacy seals.
Since those work when we apply them to just the walls of our compound (rather than having to completely enclose the volume) they must have 2D vision plus volumetric depth perception.
Basically they can see the inside surface of an entire 2D sphere, likely with parralax from both eyes being used for distance, just like a normal human. Though they might instinctively construct a 3D model with that in their heads, they're not getting any more actual information than two 2D images that each cover the entire inner surface of a sphere.
The hypothesis also wins on complexity penalties, all the other hypotheses require you to change a lot about how vision works physically, and the cognitive structures needed to decode it. Here, you just appropriate the neural structures used for vision, and change the structure of the eyes a tiny amount.
This would also imply that their depth perception is worst for things that are close to the line that passes through the centers of their eyes.
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail: Has any of our gang seen users of gentle fist move their heads in seemingly unnecessary ways when flanked? (When you are facing the side of their heads?)
I expect Noburi has experience with Neji enough to notice such a thing. If not already, then by after next spar.
Edit: @hamnox points out that we can also see whether optical illusions work on hyuuga. Which is bound to be a fun series of experiments.
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Hmm, this makes a few questions now important for us. (Note: These are not for the QMs to answer, just thinking out loud)
- Does Hyuuga vision fall off like nearsightedness, or just nothing is outside a certain radius?
- If the latter, then holy crap, we can exploit the fuck out of that.
- Either there's some large non-linearity in how chatons work, or the Hyuuga are extending their chakra out the entire distance of the byakugan.
- Both are very good for us, albeit the latter less so, what with the Hyuuga also being part of leaf and all.
- Can Hyuuga see normally when using the byakugan?
- We know Hyuuga range changes as they grow, but how much? What are their maximums?
- Can we build a Hyuuga privacy seal detector?
- Just a directional seal that can tell whether a Hyuuga privacy seal is currently active in such and such direction.
- Can we make one that will tell us distance to the privacy seal?
- We have one seal that we know uses Hyuuga-vision, but with that as a reference we can start working our way up to the following:
- Byakugan-only flash bangs: Kagome will love these. Hopefully we can't blind the Byakugan permanently.
- Remote signaling/control seals: They flash/decode chakra signals, which we know are visible at a distance.
- Byakugan-vision screens: This will take some effort on our part, but becomes eventually possible.
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Yeah, but we can't actually do anything about it since the next update doesn't work with voting. The most we can do is scream at the inevitable.
Speaking of which....
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Emstar
The Shining One
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So, basically Team Misfit alliance continues on?
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Something like that.
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- Phoenix, AZ
Skywalkers and Skytowers right?
E: what makes us more than an average ninja is that we can turn a whole nation's army into an air force.
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Well, Hazou is a naturally friendly guy, so it only makes sense to use that and make friends. We're a completely new, foreign element in Leaf, and the more connections we forge with other Leaf ninja, the more we'll fit in, and the less instinctual resistance there will be to our initiatives.
On a related note, I wonder whether we can weaponize and strategically deploy Dark Hazou from this update. Talking to Haru Yamamoto, for example, seems like it would be much easier accomplished by Dark Hazou, with his no-nonsense, vicious attitude.
Eh, but why would he? We offered him an aboveboard way of helping the guy get ahead. Why take the extremely risky route of trying to betray these extremely scary people instead?
But those won't be revealed after the Exam, or at least Hazou has no way of knowing when it's going to happen. Could well be a couple years before the idea that it's his brainchild becomes publicly known, if it ever does.
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I'm hoping that having Akane break up with Hazou will just turn him dark indefinitely
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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It'd be hard to accomplish our goals with that kind of a mindset. A lot of them are predicated on people's view of Hazou as he is now.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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If only they had linked up with us the Swamp Fort they would have known about the Goo Bombs. Think about it: Neji, the anti-social one, knew yet our little heiress did not.
Oh.
*Slowly backs off and deletes "Action Plan: Gloat at Team Kurenai for the whole of Day 2 while Hazo makes seals.docx"*
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You know what we should do? Give a false report. Not to Jiraiya, but to everyone else. Describe an amazing, ten minute long battle where Keiko had to resummon pangolins and refresh chakra at least twice. Just because her dad has to lose for us to win, doesn't mean she had to.
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Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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Interesting thought though your version is going for the other extreme, I think.
I mean her entire contribution to the defense was that she informed people about Keiko being on the roof once it was too late and then she literally slipped and faceplanted into goo.
Truly a chunin-worthy performance befitting her status as the heiress of the Most Noble and Ancient Clan of Hyuuga.
Or from another perspective: Anything Neji can do - which is being an embarrassment - Hinata can do even better.
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Don't forget to turn Hanabi!
I don't know, maybe Mist is bribing him? I have no other explanations currently.
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I am certainly in favour of defaulting to being a gracious winner, especially if it doesn't cost us anything. On that note, I think we should just return Kiri's barrel after round 1. She'll almost surely have a replacement ready, so it doesn't significantly affect her combat readiness, and we don't need to unnecessarily antagonize the Wakahisa clan.
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Because the extremely risky route had extremely high benefit if successful (buddy won't get curbstomped) and really low failure modes (guy gets wrecked, oh no the infil spec got kicked). Whereas if he goes with the aboveboard way the only thing his buddy gets is his word half and not getting Consequences. Not enough to let him catch up since his point values are probably in the shitter.
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Is it high benefit? I guess it is if the guy is at the top of the ranking, but that seems unlikely. Otherwise, unless Doigama gets lucky and the guy is at the last site we visit, it's actually more beneficial to let us do our thing. If Tanaka is mid or low ranked, letting us penalize everyone and leave him his word half is a lot more beneficial than stopping our rampage halfway through.
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I don't think that this is true; right now it kinda feels like you're updating towards "Doigama is a traitor" no matter what he says; even if we might not want to take him at face value, I think that there is now more evidence in favor of him being willing to take his Wolf Village mate down a peg or twenty.
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So to fail the First Event, one of the following must happen:
- A proctor learns of a contestant's secret word.
- A contestant fails to demonstrate to a proctor access to their secret word.
Or something.