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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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eaglejarl said:
CCnJ: Please pardon me if I sound slightly gleeful; I've spent two years mainlining aspirin because of this jutsu and it's fun to be on the other side for a change. I'll warn you that I don't think any degree of care is going to be sufficient to prevent henge from being (a) a total pain in the keister and (b) setting-breaking the minute it comes in contact with @Radvic.


Ah, so you can henge into objects! Cool. Let's have fun with that:


  • Fred weighs ~200 lbs. 5mm-diameter copper wire weighs about 126 lb/1000'. That means Fred can henge into ~1500' worth of 5mm copper wire. Can that wire be:
    • Vertical, so that it reaches up to a height of ~0.3 miles? Can he then henge back such that his head is where the top of the wire used to be?
    • Horizontal, so that it reaches several miles in some direction? Can he then henge back such that his body is where the far end of the wire was? Note that if you say "the center of mass must be where his center of mass was", all that that gets you is that his new teleportation jutsu is restricted to half the distance.)
    • Wrapped around an enemy? Does it matter if Fred was grappling the enemy to start?
    • If someone uses Magnet Release against Fred while he is in wire form, does he generate electricity?
      • If that electricity is siphoned into a Leyden jar or other storage device, does it continue to exist when Fred de-henges?
      • If that electricity was used to run an electromagnet which was in turn used to generate a normal magnet, does the normal magnet stay charged when Bob de-henges?
  • If Fred henges into a steel spear, is he as hard as the spear?
  • If he henges into a saw, is he strong enough to be used for lumbering?
  • If Bob henges into rope, is the henge strong enough and flexible enough to turn into a climbing harness and lift someone up a wall?
  • If Fred henges into ice and subsequently melts / evaporates, is this a problem? If so, what happens -- does the henge break when he loses too much mass, does he come back with missing mass, or what? How much mass can he lose before it breaks? If he loses mass, where does the mass come from -- evenly distributed or does he come back with (e.g.) a missing arm?

Ah, so cutting a piece off your henge doesn't pop it, and you are creating matter ex nihilo. Cool. How much of you can be cut off before the henge pops? Can you take off your henged shirt and burn it for heat? (No need to look for firewood ever again!) Can you henge into a shirt with steel panels sewn in for armor? If you remove the panels can you forge them into something?

Can you henge into someone wearing a fruit hat, then take the hat off and feed the fruit to someone? If you maintain the henge long enough for the food to be digested and integrated into their cells, what happens when you de-henge and the henged ex-fruit (now forming part of their cells) disappears?



You can't henge away seals? Really? They're flat and very low-mass. If you can hide clothes under your henge then you should be able to hide seals.


Ah, so women can get pregnant while henged. That means either the henge body has actual organs or semen is capable of moving through the henge into the actual body without breaking the henge. So, do female ninja who are menstruating still have flow while henged? Is it real blood or chakra construct?


Ah, so it is possible to henge into animals and learn the form. Cool, that means that senior ninja should all be grinding henge so that they can turn into bloodhounds for tracking, eagles for flying, and moles for tunneling.


These are the issues that I came up with in the time it took me to type them up, and I could definitely come up with more if I sat down and thought about. Instead, however, I am going to do worse: @Radvic? Care to have a go?

EDIT: Fixed a number.
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@eaglejarl, would you mind doing something like this to show why illusion henge is bad? You seemed to be having fun with it, and I don't really see how breakable illusory henge is, other than looking like someone shorter than you so you could look over objects/around corners without being seen.
If you want, here are my proposed rules (fair disclosure, I'm heavily basing this off of DnD 5e Disguise Self (and previous henge), because I believe Disguise Self to be quite balanced and wouldn't mind learning how to exploit it a bit as a DnD player):

Henge
You make yourself look different until the jutsu ends or until you use your action to dismiss it. You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller and can appear thin, fat, or in between. You can't change your body type, so you must adopt a form that has the same basic arrangement of limbs. Otherwise, the extent of the illusion is up to you.

If someone attempts to touch you, they will be able to pass through the illusion and learn that you are disguised. Otherwise, to discern that you are disguised, a creature can use its action to contest your deceit roll as if trying to catch you in a lie. Taking damage (shifts or consequences) breaks the illusion.

This jutsu lasts for up to 1 hour, costs X CP (whatever the QMs end up deciding on), and requires 1 hour of rest (maybe change to less time? If this isn't munchkinable, consider removing this cool down entirely?) between uses in order to recover from the mental strain the illusion places upon the user.
 
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Oneiros said:
Seriously though now is the time to try to eliminate as many teams as possible.
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It's the usual problem, though. 36 hours until the next Event, and we have to spend time finding it, determining its nature, and then figuring out how to grab any advantages possible. All those take priority over "eliminating teams", and I remind you that any team left at this point is paranoid and dangerous.... not something you can pop out and handle in a couple of hours.

It's almost like the proctors designed the Exam this way, with a relentless time pressure that doesn't give Exam participants too much time to screw around between Events.
 
Cariyaga said:
Agreed. Grab Hinata's team ASAP, hunt down Shiino et al.
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Team Kurenai won't wanna dance with us as far as that goes. They're super ahead of us after this last one. We are the ones in the fuck corridor, not them.

Oneiros said:
Seriously though now is the time to try to eliminate as many teams as possible.
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And to Start brainstorming ways to take people out before the event because we need to get as much done as possible.
Roomba said:
At this point, I wouldn't go out of my way for it, but I'd absolutely be in favor of eliminating Team Kurenai if given an opportunity. Team Asuma I'm willing to cooperate with - we have good reasons to trust them, and derive some benefit from them advancing.
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In the upcoming event, I think that's fair.
faflec said:
Relevant note: Noburi and Keiko have 141 points each. Hazou has 142.

Given that the top teams actually scored positive (Hinata/Shino/Shiina scored >200 points) we are so fucked.

I vote we immediately move to rip out Team Waterfall from entering the last stage altogether. They're a top scoring team, Team 8 has already agreed to take them out, and we need to get to them early before they have the opportunity to get information on the next Event and then turtle.

Does anyone recall what happens to the word-halves of people who've been eliminated?
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I concur with moving immediately to DQ some teams before the event. Invisigirl is probably on the list there. We would need to brainstorm on some plausible traps though.
 
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[-] Finding the Fifth

General:
  • Vet with teammates first.
  • Keep OPSEC in mind.
Part1:
  • Keiko:
    • Panashe: Solo scout Event location (East, outside city).
    • Give Jiraiya full report via Pangolins.
      • Detail sabotage pattern in Events:
        • 2nd​: Bad release spot.
        • 3rd​: Sexual harassment/illegal goods-client; cost 300points.
        • 4th​: 'Obvious' role/secret role.
        • Called us out twice
      • Get OK'd re: Plan.
      • Ask: Strategies against top teams' bloodlines.
  • STL:
    • Reaffirm alliance.
    • Offer: Prepare ambushes near Event location.
    • Query: Invite [Leaf contestant #10]?
  • Akane: Comfort (elimination).
    • Praise: Got really far.
    • Apologies: OPSEC
      • Failure: Difficulty 'tiering' allies.
Part2:
  • Ambush teams:
    • Location: Between Kirigakure/Event location, ideal spot for ambush (watery, hard to escape...).
    • Preparations:
      • Sleep in shifts; be rested for Event/ambushes.
      • Traps: Goo bombs. Consider Earbusters(distribute Banshee slayers)/explosives if Jiraiya OKs.
      • Summons: Pankurashun?
      • Underground segments (Tunneling Excavation): Hiding spots to preclude Stealth checks.
      • Aboveground sentries (high-Alertness/Stealth) see/signal approach.
    • Priority: Top teams (Gensō, Downfall...).
    • Ambush:
      • Blitz in, incapacitate, knock out.
    • Loot: ½-words, full drain, hogtie.
    • Recover, repeat.
  • More Event intel:
    • Search in groups
    • Talk: Yakuza/blacksmiths (as available).
    • Track: Proctors/teams.
  • Leak dossiers to all non-topteam contestants.
    • Add Team Downfall dossier, vaguely mention skillsets.
Get to Event on time.

Contingencies:
  • <2:1 odds = No ambush.
 
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faflec said:
Word count: 52/100

[X] Finding the Fifth

General:
  • Discuss plan with teammates.
  • Keep OPSEC in mind.
Actions:
  • Jiraiya: Full Pangolin report.
  • Speak with STL:
    • Reaffirm alliance.
    • Plan/coordinate plots (below).
      • Find Event intel:
        • Speak with Yakuza.
        • Investigate outside city (East Gate).
        • Chat up lockbox-making blacksmith.
        • Follow proctors.
      • Eliminate top teams (Gensō/Downfall):
        • Track, follow, ambush when isolated.
        • <DETAILS>
  • Apology: Akane
    • <HELP>
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Suggest adding to Jiraiya report the suggestion of using the fact that we were specifically called out at the end of the third event as evidence of bias, to get either political concessions or just get us more points.

re: Akane, bring up that Hazou's given it some thought and realized that the problem he has is in separating allies into trust levels. Kind of like Kagome. He either trusts absolutely or not at all. It's something to work on with Mari/Hana/etc.
 
Crazy Idea: What if we propose an alliance with Team Downfall. Try to play up the fact that it would be more satisfying to beat us on the grandest stage?
 
faflec said:
  • Apology: Akane
    • <HELP>
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Akane needs comforting about being knocked out of the tournament more than she needs an apology. An apology can be part of that, sure, but the focus should be on assuring her that she's amazing and great and just had some bad luck. Putting the focus on Hazou makes it all about him and what he did.

I mean, truthfully, does Akane give a huge fuck if a few Leaf ninja know about her temperature control jutsu? It pisses her off because it's her right to control who knows about that, but it's not all that high a priority secret. She's going to be caring a whole hell of a lot more about being kncoked out of the tournament right now and barely registering the OPSEC breach by Hazou.
 
Briefvoice said:
Akane needs comforting about being knocked out of the tournament more than she needs an apology. An apology can be part of that, sure, but the focus should be on assuring her that she's amazing and great and just had some bad luck. Putting the focus on Hazou makes it all about him and what he did.

I mean, truthfully, does Akane give a huge fuck if a few Leaf ninja know about her temperature control jutsu? It pisses her off because it's her right to control who knows about that, but it's not all that high a priority secret. She's going to be caring a whole hell of a lot more about being kncoked out of the tournament right now and barely registering the OPSEC breach by Hazou.
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So, put into as few words as possible, "Comfort her; don't make it about Hazou."?
 
Cariyaga said:
...Yeah they would? They specifically asked us for help taking them on before.
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They obtained +200 points( +400 points relative to us).

During the event it's in our interest to eliminate them, and they should be aware of this so they would not want to work with us because of it.

Before the event, maybe we can work together to DQ the waterfall team but I don't see where that would come up/explicitly be in Team Kurenais interest to risk that.


Oneiros said:
Crazy Idea: What if we propose an alliance with Team Downfall. Try to play up the fact that it would be more satisfying to beat us on the grandest stage?
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I feel like this would end up with a knife in our backs? I don't feel like they have the level of hubris necessary to take the bait there.
 
Cariyaga said:
Suggest adding to Jiraiya report the suggestion of using the fact that we were specifically called out at the end of the third event as evidence of bias, to get either political concessions or just get us more points.

re: Akane, bring up that Hazou's given it some thought and realized that the problem he has is in separating allies into trust levels. Kind of like Kagome. He either trusts absolutely or not at all. It's something to work on with Mari/Hana/etc.
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Briefvoice said:
Akane needs comforting about being knocked out of the tournament more than she needs an apology. An apology can be part of that, sure, but the focus should be on assuring her that she's amazing and great and just had some bad luck. Putting the focus on Hazou makes it all about him and what he did.

I mean, truthfully, does Akane give a huge fuck if a few Leaf ninja know about her temperature control jutsu? It pisses her off because it's her right to control who knows about that, but it's not all that high a priority secret. She's going to be caring a whole hell of a lot more about being kncoked out of the tournament right now and barely registering the OPSEC breach by Hazou.
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Done, to an extent.
faflec said:
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[X] Finding the Fifth

General:
  • Vet plan with teammates.
  • Keep OPSEC in mind.
Actions:
  • Jiraiya: Full Pangolin report.
    • Add: Bias from end of Third Event?
  • STL:
    • Reaffirm alliance.
    • Plan/coordinate plots:
      • Find Event intel:
        • Speak with Yakuza.
        • Investigate outside city (East Gate).
        • Chat up lockbox-making blacksmith.
        • Follow proctors.
      • Eliminate top teams (Gensō/Downfall):
        • Track, follow, ambush when isolated.
        • <DETAILS>
  • Akane:
    • Comfort over elimination.
      • <DETAILS>
    • Apologies: OPSEC
      • Failure: Difficulty separating allies into trust levels.
      • Secondary to comforting.
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Maybe we could make Akane a nice meal or something, in addition to spending time with her. Some sort of nice gesture.

I'm not really persuaded that making bias allegations would be productive for Jiraiya, to be honest. It just doesn't seem like anyone will care.
 
MMKII said:
They obtained +200 points( +400 points relative to us).

During the event it's in our interest to eliminate them, and they should be aware of this so they would not want to work with us because

Before the event, maybe we can work together to DQ the waterfall team but I don't see where that would come up/explicitly be in Team Kurenais interest to risk that.
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Because Team Waterfalls is another top-scoring team, Team Kurenai's already demonstrated willingness to work with us to fight them, and they (Waterfalls) are 100% gonna gun for Team Kurenai once/now that they know that Team Kurenai's a tracking team? Why wouldn't work with nominal allies to defeat a mutual, dangerous foe?
 
TaliesinSkye said:
Maybe we could make Akane a nice meal or something, in addition to spending time with her. Some sort of nice gesture.

I'm not really persuaded that making bias allegations would be productive for Jiraiya, to be honest. It just doesn't seem like anyone will care.
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We don't have the time for a nice meal. We just had our feet kicked out from under us, scoring wise.
 
Okay. So assume we'll do very well next event, since it plays to our strengths. What point total might we add there? 200-ish?

That still leaves us in a position of needing to eliminate multiple top ninja to make it to the tournament.
 
@faflec suggest using Panache to help track additional teams. Also should consider summoning Pankurashun for additional fire power
 
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