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Armor tends to not stack, though? I mean, it's not impossible there's a stackable armor jutsu or similar but I imagine those to be beyond rare, like priceless-legendary-jutsu rare.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Helmet isn't meant to take a direct hit from a ninja. Boots are meant to keep our feet protected and dry from the environment.
1. Probably not in common use because penalties to perception checks are usually more dangerous than shrapnel.
2. Hasn't Hazou already been investigating this? I believe it's mostly a matter of money and time.
3. Watsonian explanation is that heavy boots can interfere with extending your chakra for things like wall walking and water walking, which is why ninja tend to prefer lighter footwear.
Also, from a social level Hazou should probably pick his regular ninja gear with 'look like a fellow Leaf nin' in mind rather than 'look at this foreigner with all that weird equipment', as long as doing so doesn't unduly compromise his safety. You wear the local uniform, even if you hate sports jackets and ties. Meaning, yes he has to wear the ugly-ass ninja sandals.
A good helmet shouldn't interfere with the sensory capability of soldiers. A soldier's hearing and sight is life after all.
So long as the new boots doesn't interfere with wallwalking, waterwalking, and skywalking and such, then it should works.
Also, none of this will have a mechanical effect and is just there to affect your sensibilities, so it's really a cosmetic matter.
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Ah, yes I forgot. Well, I still think some sort of Stoneskin or Ironflesh jutsu would be useful. Ghost Scales and Earth armor are nice but they don't really do anything but act as external armor. I was thinking something more varied that had the armor bonus thrown in as a package deal.
It wouldn't do anything other than change how Hazou would look, instead of effecting any rolls in a given situation.
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Ghost Scales give a Taijutsu buff, doesn't it?
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Chesterton's fence. If no ninja wear boots, even ninjas rich enough to afford them, then it's likely there's a reason everyone's wearing ninja sandals. Assuming there isn't is a good way to find out the hard way and/or get people telling you that you're being kinda stupid.
I choose those things as a matter of comfort, survival, and practicality, not look or sensibilities.
Make sense. I still want to investigate.
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I thought both those ninja were working together? One to distract everyone, the other to hit everyone in the back with the jutsu? Or I guess the attacking ninja responding to such a public display
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I would disagree with the notion that these would be effective in this world at this time simply because they are effective in our world in the modern age.
Yes, equal to armor level (due to sharpness of the chakra construct scales) but thats just about all it does. We should make or find an armor jutsu that has additional effects other than "Now you punch better and can get punched better."
Say like, some iron flesh ripoff that also increases our mass by an enormous amount. We get armor and better punching, but also this should no-sell or help against AOE wind or water jutsu meant to push us around, since we are much heavier.
Alternatively if we wanted to slap Impulse seals (rockets) onto our legs and start punching things at Mach 1, our bones wouldn't immediately snap in half.
This was my take on the scenario as well.
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CCnJ: Please pardon me if I sound slightly gleeful; I've spent two years mainlining aspirin because of this jutsu and it's fun to be on the other side for a change. I'll warn you that I don't think any degree of care is going to be sufficient to prevent henge from being (a) a total pain in the keister and (b) setting-breaking the minute it comes in contact with @Radvic.
Ah, so you can henge into objects! Cool. Let's have fun with that:
- Fred weighs ~200 lbs. 5mm-diameter copper wire weighs about 126 lb/1000'. That means Fred can henge into ~1500' worth of 5mm copper wire. Can that wire be:
- Vertical, so that it reaches up to a height of ~0.3 miles? Can he then henge back such that his head is where the top of the wire used to be?
- Horizontal, so that it reaches several miles in some direction? Can he then henge back such that his body is where the far end of the wire was? Note that if you say "the center of mass must be where his center of mass was", all that that gets you is that his new teleportation jutsu is restricted to half the distance.)
- Wrapped around an enemy? Does it matter if Fred was grappling the enemy to start?
- If someone uses Magnet Release against Fred while he is in wire form, does he generate electricity?
- If that electricity is siphoned into a Leyden jar or other storage device, does it continue to exist when Fred de-henges?
- If that electricity was used to run an electromagnet which was in turn used to generate a normal magnet, does the normal magnet stay charged when Bob de-henges?
- If Fred henges into a steel spear, is he as hard as the spear?
- If he henges into a saw, is he strong enough to be used for lumbering?
- If Bob henges into rope, is the henge strong enough and flexible enough to turn into a climbing harness and lift someone up a wall?
- If Fred henges into ice and subsequently melts / evaporates, is this a problem? If so, what happens -- does the henge break when he loses too much mass, does he come back with missing mass, or what? How much mass can he lose before it breaks? If he loses mass, where does the mass come from -- evenly distributed or does he come back with (e.g.) a missing arm?
Ah, so cutting a piece off your henge doesn't pop it, and you are creating matter ex nihilo. Cool. How much of you can be cut off before the henge pops? Can you take off your henged shirt and burn it for heat? (No need to look for firewood ever again!) Can you henge into a shirt with steel panels sewn in for armor? If you remove the panels can you forge them into something?
Can you henge into someone wearing a fruit hat, then take the hat off and feed the fruit to someone? If you maintain the henge long enough for the food to be digested and integrated into their cells, what happens when you de-henge and the henged ex-fruit (now forming part of their cells) disappears?
You can't henge away seals? Really? They're flat and very low-mass. If you can hide clothes under your henge then you should be able to hide seals.
Ah, so women can get pregnant while henged. That means either the henge body has actual organs or semen is capable of moving through the henge into the actual body without breaking the henge. So, do female ninja who are menstruating still have flow while henged? Is it real blood or chakra construct?
Ah, so it is possible to henge into animals and learn the form. Cool, that means that senior ninja should all be grinding henge so that they can turn into bloodhounds for tracking, eagles for flying, and moles for tunneling.
These are the issues that I came up with in the time it took me to type them up, and I could definitely come up with more if I sat down and thought about. Instead, however, I am going to do worse: @Radvic? Care to have a go?
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I remember a thing about the Nara commissioning special skywalking sandals. We could look into that.
And I am merely reusing ideas that I think would be effective in the ninja world, though I am conceding on the points of boots and helmets.
Beware that ninja combat is rocket tag, so I am dubious about finding techniques like these. We are already the most well protected ninja in the story.
If only we have TIMMMMMMMEEE!
ANY RANDOM GENIN: Ultimate suicide technique: Henge into person-sized black hole!
Since this is supposed to be something that even genin are going to use, I don't think it's that big of a stretch to try to produce mobile Air Dome armor.
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Cough illusion henge retcon cough cough.
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It's a fun challenge trying to figure out an internally consistent way of describing how henge works without creating horrible abuses.
The exploits you suggested with the copper wire example could be prevented by saying that henged objects occupy the same general space that the body did. There's some flexibility here, but you can't conjure up a wire around someone standing over there or something. (Maybe if you were already hugging them.) You'd generally be limited to something like a pile or coil of wire sitting on the ground.
Henged objects do retain their basic physical properties, so you could in principle do magnetism and electrical stuff with them, although I don't think the setting knows about generators and electromagnets.
The steel spear would be as hard as steel, the rope would function as rope, etc.
I think hengeing into ice would cause the henge to pop when the ice started to melt.
The fruit in a fruit hat isn't real fruit, just an imitation made of chakra with the right appearance. It doesn't provide nutrition. Eating it would result in it going straight through the digestive system, at least until it disappeared as the henge ended.
Ahh, I misunderstood what you meant by disappearing seals and thought you meant vanishing them from someone else's hand somehow. Yes, you could put a seal in a pocket or stuck to your skin somehow when henged. If in contact with skin it could be activated.
For henge to be functional in various ways the external bits need to connect to the internal organs of the real body. Swallowing food results in it going through the real digestive system, etc. Orifaces are holes in the construct layer.
Hengeing into an animal is theoretically possible but such a ridiculous amount of work and research for a form that nobody's known to have done it. It'd take years of focused effort to get one form down. It could be a good idea for a bloodline limit power.
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