Is there any version of transformation technique that isn't a total pain in the ass?
I sincerely believe you could make one, yes.

The issue to me is that: For some reason our transformation technique replaces the body with a Henge body.

It would be more intuitive to me that you just layer a chakra construct over top the original body (this prevents many questions of size, volume, density, etc from popping up). Its semi permeable to most gases and some liquids (air, water, etc. but not something like mercury). It will pop if you try to shear, tear, rip or slice the construct (we can probably figure out some limiting constraints with some differential topology/geometry or something here). Max size is limited heavily by chakra reserves and obeys some sort of square-cube relationship with extra volume/cost (throw fudge factors in as necessary).

Perfect? Assuredly not, this thread can probably break anything given sufficient time. But the only tradeoffs I can think of off the bat are things like not being able to henge into a smaller sized object, which is extremely reasonable.
 
Mobile air dome shields would be super helpful

I don't think that would work. The air dome seal just creates a person sized dome of air to hide under. It cannot be oriented. It cannot be activated in novel ways. It certainly can't be be raised off the ground.

All in all, the air dome is absolutely a boring, unmunchkinable seal that no one should spend time investigating or replicating, and it is vitally important to Leaf that it remains that way as long as possible.

Once that secret gets out, yeah. And forget shields. We want a full suit of airtight armor. Multiple seals positioned all over the body, all linked to a single reusable Lbf. Have several copies to accommodate different poses.

And we want another set to go on their hands, allowing combatants to push off invisible points.
 
Realistically, I'm not sure that there's anything we can do that in his current mindset he wouldn't just use as further justification to hate us. Unless we literally figure out enough biosci with snek uncle that we can give him our bloodline, anything we do will just be seen as lording our unearned advantages over him.
 
For the record, while the odds of Hazō marrying Ami are roughly zero, that's only an estimate. If the hivemind manages to create the world's greatest action plan and get Hazō to meet her and charm her into taking leave of her senses and not be murdered by Keiko, who knows what could happen?
This sounds like a challenge.
I am also on board with orchestrating an impossible marriage with Ami, @Roomba, @Oneiros. Be sure to ping me if you're ever in need of my QM-approved schemes, or want to vote-in a risky plan in the last few hours before the deadline, like in the days of yore.
Count me in. Noumero, @Roomba , @Oneiros , anyone else considering this, consider this my precommission to help with both vote crafting and voting it in, redeemable with a tagwhenever a vote for this comes up; I promise >1 hour of my time towards the endeavor, plus additional time or effort depending on how cool or interesting the premise of our strategy.
 
Realistically, I'm not sure that there's anything we can do that in his current mindset he wouldn't just use as further justification to hate us.

I genuinely think that we could get him on our side eventually but it would be a gradual process. We can lay the groundwork here during the exams but we'd need to finish things at home.
 
Henge is an genjutsu.

But doesn't that contradict- RETCONNED

But then what actually happened in that quest situation that was dependent on a henge being a physical- I DON'T CARE SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT LED TO THE SAME GENERAL RESULT AND WE WON'T WORRY ABOUT IT LOOK TO THE FUTURE NOT THE PAST.
 
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Like someone asked before: Does it have to be Hazou or would Noburi be sufficient? Pretty much the same advantages but leaves Hazou free to be with bestgirl Akane. And for the pragmatically aligned, we could probably spin this as being friendly to civilian born ninjas.

(Though I can just imagine Haru being all "YOU ARE JUST MARRYING AKANE TO GET CLOSER TO ME, DON'T THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!". And yes, apparently my Haru has become a full blown tsundere, please send help.)
 
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And forget shields. We want a full suit of airtight armor. Multiple seals positioned all over the body, all linked to a single reusable Lbf. Have several copies to accommodate different poses.

Five seal barriers can be made to move if the object the central seal is anchored to moves, right?

What about armor with plates or scales that are five seal barriered? The seals would need replacing every 30 days so it'd be maintenance intensive, but the plates themselves would be impenetrable. An attacker would be forced to attack chinks in the armor, making their lives harder.

On the other hand we're dealing with ninja and maybe they're all so accurate that having an impenetrable breastplate doesn't help much.
 
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(Though I can just imagine Haru being all "YOU ARE JUST MARRYING AKANE TO GET CLOSER TO ME, DON'T THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!". And yes, apparently my Haru has become a full blown tsundere, please send help.)

Maybe we should go full Kaworu (neon genesis evangelion) on him? Be the only boy that understands him?
 
Five seal barriers can be made to move if the object the central seal is anchored to moves, right?

What about armor with plates or scales that are five seal barriered? The seals would need replacing every 30 days so it'd be maintenance intensive, but the plates themselves would be impenetrable. An attacker would be forced to attack chinks in the armor, making their lives harder.

On the other hand we're dealing with ninja and maybe they're all so accurate that having an impenetrable breastplate doesn't help much.

5sb armor would be amazing, but there are engineering problems. Most importantly, the 5sb is composed of 5 seals, and they have to be meters apart, and totally stationary relative to each other.
 
Preface: This is just logical extrapolation from @TaliesinSkye 's theory, not approved by him.
Vertical [...] height of ~3 miles
Horizontal, so that it reaches several miles
As the deformation of the chakra system is limited by skill, no.
Wrapped around an enemy? Does it matter if Fred was grappling the enemy to start?
As wrapping means twisting our chakra system around theirs, no. Besides, they'd break the henge immediately.
Due to lack of understanding how to make chakra simulate conductivity, no.
hard as the spear
saw
rope
Only tactile impression of hardness/strength, the spear/saw/rope is as frail as any henge and thus unusable. The rope is flexible, though.
ice and subsequently melts / evaporates
Neither is simulated due to, again, lacking understanding of chakra physics.
creating matter ex nihilo
burn it for heat
steel panels sewn in for armor
fruit hat [...] feed the fruit to someone
No, rather simulating matter via chakra construct. No burning, fighting or eating, it would pop the henge. Armor is thus purely ornamental.
You can't henge away seals? Really? They're flat and very low-mass. If you can hide clothes under your henge then you should be able to hide seals.
Hide inactive seals? Of course. If they are active and not part of your chakra system (bioseal) though, trying to distort their chakra causes a sealing failure.
female ninja who are menstruating still have flow while henged? Is it real blood or chakra construct?
Analogous to bleeding, it happens inside the construct, external effects can be supressed by henging into a body not under menstruation. Otherwise it's like excrement in that it passes through.
Ah, so it is possible to henge into animals and learn the form.
If you are the Sage, sure. Orochimaru's snake form gives him the necessary knowledge to imitate it as well. Everyone else would fail as there are no real incremental learning steps. In other words, try again at Henge level 100.



Edit: Ninja'd.
 
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But this is something special.

Define this. Haru can be very special to us, if you let him. Or are you saying Haru doesn't deserve somthing special?

Make him our most loyal servant by being physically and emotionally affectionate towards him? (We use Hazou already as a tool, we might go full sociopathy and use his relationships for [whatever our goal is]).
 
It's a fun challenge trying to figure out an internally consistent way of describing how henge works without creating horrible abuses.
I will bet 10 XP that you give up on this idea before I and the rest of the thread run out of difficult questions and/or abuses. If you lose then you have to change your signature to the following and leave it unchanged for 6 full months:


"Come join Marked for Death, the greatest quest on SV! In a deathworld version of Naruto, you're a former traitor and missing-nin who convinced Jiraiya (the new Hokage) to adopt you in exchange for a seal invention that transformed the face of warfare in the Elemental Nations!

Oh, also, one of the authors is eaglejarl, who is far smarter than me, far better looking, more creative, kinder, more generous, funnier, and utterly superlative in every way. Also, I foolishly thought that physical henge was fixable and lost a bet to him that it wasn't, so he got to write my sig."




Five seal barriers can be made to move if the object the central seal is anchored to moves, right?
Nope. 5SB'd objects are immovable. This is the basis of skytowers.
 
Define this. Haru can be very special to us, if you let him. Or are you saying Haru doesn't deserve somthing special?

Make him our most loyal servant by being physically and emotionally affectionate towards him? (We use Hazou already as a tool, we might go full sociopathy and use his relationships for [whatever our goal is]).

Look, if Hazou were gay/bi I would have already thrown him at Shikamaru to get access to the Nara library. :p
 
Five seal barriers can be made to move if the object the central seal is anchored to moves, right?

What about armor with plates or scales that are five seal barriered? The seals would need replacing every 30 days so it'd be maintenance intensive, but the plates themselves would be impenetrable. An attacker would be forced to attack chinks in the armor, making their lives harder.

On the other hand we're dealing with ninja and maybe they're all so accurate that having an impenetrable breastplate doesn't help much.
What eaglejarl said. On the other hand, Force Barriers can move, but they must be kept perfectly aligned (think D&D force wall between two seals on opposite sides).
My goal is a story about uplift, munchkining, suriving by the skin of our teeth, and the family that is team uplift. This might be a good time for all the regulars and newcomers to state what they want out of this.
Seems about right for me too. Though I want less surviving by the skin of our teeth and more not dealing with that shit at all :p
 
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