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I AM PERFECTLY FINE WITH WAITING IT GIVES ME MORE TIME TO SCREEEAAMMMM IN KAGOMEEEE
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Thats certainly possible, and it does look like even one of the QMs is slightly unsure. But what I assumed is that they were still allowed to vote, they just couldn't gain any points from that vote. Which meant their votes could still cost points to the ninja they identified.
We do have one advantage. Most of the DQed people were DQed with extreme prejudice, and removed from the grounds. They haven't seen the lists with our names on it.
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So @Roomba was kind enough to write a longer apology section to Akane (see below), and since we probably are gonna wanna do the apology next update I was hoping we look over it so that we can save spoons for the next voting cycle.
Yes, I know, it's nearly the exact same post as from earlier, but I figured I might as well move towards slightly more productive things in order to prevent myself from losing my voice due to my failure.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Lets not throw Jiraiyas ass into the fire more than it already is, eh ?
It's our fuckup, we own it. No need to have J lose hair over it.
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I wouldn't frame it this way. Yes, it was done for the clan. But it was done by Hazou. Pawning it off to the clan feels like shifting blame. I wouldn't mind using clan resources to make restitutions, but Hazou would then owe the clan for using those resources.
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But they also called out Shikamaru's team, yet we know they got through.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Our disguise in this event was palette swapped Jiraiya, on the other hand.
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- Yes.
But at that point you're picking for details, and I don't think it'll hold up in the face of scrutiny. At least not without causing a huge fuss which might look good for Jiraiya.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
They, too, were unfairly disfavored by being called out. It's not a matter of points -- it's a matter of actions.
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And yet Shikamaru, with all his intelligence, didn't bother to go complain to his Hokage. If there were a case to be made wouldn't he have done it as it would have been far less troublesome?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Uh, we weren't aware of it until the event started/ended? I'm not sure how that's relevant. And anyway we could get him in on the dispute to add legitimacy.
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Team Asuma was called out at the end of the Third Event, but they didn't make a complain at that time to the Hokage. There's no reason why they wouldn't have done it then if they felt there was a chance it'd succeed.
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We should have killed everyone. /s
But honestly, we should have stuck with our team way the whole time, kept an eye on the tunnel so that nobody could set up an ambush like that, and coordinated with STL waaaay earlier.
Not getting DQed is probably what will save us here. Though it also really depends on how many people knew our secret role - that was never revealed to anyone, and while it could be guessed that's the best that could be done.
So, we have a total of 139 contestants (136 at the start, 3 who showed up later).
- We have an unknown number being eliminated throughout the event through henge popping in miscellaneous circumstances. Let's guess 10 to 15.
- Our plan popped some number of henges and got a number of people disqualified. Twenty had their henges popped or revealed themselves as ninja by high speed movement, but Hinata didn't specify how many of which were revealed in which manner. Let's guess maybe 5 to 10 got popped. 7 to 8 were DQ'd due to people deliberately trying to take advantage of the chaos and popping other people's henges and being caught at it. So, 12 to 18 eliminated in this fashion.
- The final big henge pop eliminated "dozens" of people. Since its plural dozens, let's say 24 to 36.
So, guesstimate of 46 to 69 disqualifications, and let's presume DQed people don't get to vote. That would leave 70 to 93 contestants who could vote. Let's presume everyone knows we're a ninja and our personal info, so -5 points for each of them. Our secret role wasn't exposed, but could be guessed given what it was. Let's say 25% guessed it right (and this is maybe being generous to them - team Downfall or whoever could not have gotten this just from popping our henge), or 17 to 23 maybe got that. So that'd be a loss of 435 to 580 points with that added in. We did not identify our counterpart as far as I know. So another -30. That's -465 to -580 points.
Hazou knows 104 people are ninjas. That's 208 points. I'm not sure how many Leaf teams there are in total, but let's say there's five or six, meaning without Hazou there'd be 14 to 17 people who we have definite identities for. That's another 42 to 51 points. So 250 to 259 points total. This brings our total to between -206 and -330. This total does NOT include all the information we might have gained regarding the personal information of people not from our village and their secret role information. Given our list came from Shikamaru, we can presume it includes a good deal of information in that regard, plus Hazou and team figured out some personal info on their own. I'd guesstimate maybe 100 to 150 points from this, but I've got nothing to base hard numbers on. That'd maybe get us somewhere between -56 to -230 points, with a mean of -143 points. If we're around the mean, we are probably still in given our number one performance in the last event.
Some other ninjas maybe have been guessed or otherwise exposed to Hazou and company somehow, which would affect these calculations.
EDIT - this was sleepy math. I probably screwed up something in here.
Here's the relevant rules section:
According to this draft of the rules, anyone disqualified is taken to the barracks. There's no mention of that prior caveat of "you may not be notified if you've been disqualified" in this draft of the rules that I can see.
Since DQed people are taken to the barracks, they're presumably not allowed to cast a vote, because the ballots would likely be done on site rather than elsewhere given that there would be opportunity for information exchange post event if it were done elsewhere. Further, those at the barracks could continue to exchange information on others, negatively affecting the score of their rival villages. So, I'd presume disqualification means "you're out, you don't get a vote".
And just going by the mission simulation, anyone exposed as a ninja in this kind of situation is caught as a ninja, and may be killed by other ninja present - exposure is a risk of death in the real world, after all.
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- Phoenix, AZ
My understanding was that people lost the same number of points someone else gained, and that if you were DQ'd, you couldn't gain points, and thus also couldn't make others lose points. I'd imagine that mostly the people who got DQ'd are the half which get disqualified and the people who didn't get DQ'd are the people who didn't get disqualified. Then again, it's your guys' rules.
Inevitably though, if DQ'd people do get to vote, we're almost certainly not in the running, as I doubt any other group of individuals has as targeted attacks and detractors from them, and if DQ'd people do get to vote, we probably are in the running.
If we aren't in the running, then we get to do politics stuff probably, and could potentially just continue to give Team Super Leaf intel on the rest of the exam, maybe outfit whoever from Team Super Leaf gets into the tournament with our seals, though that might be giving away state secrets a bit.
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- how about no
I would vote for this (and will if the only other option is a plan to unleash absolute mayhem everywhere in a nonconstructive way) but I would prefer if it were a bit more fleshed out, like having goals. Or steps. Or any details really.
But I do like the basic premise so far. Very promising.
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TaliesinSkye
Occasional Editor
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- Northeast Ohio, United States
Add seeking out Hana when we can? Either by signaling her in a way she'd recognize that we want to talk on the theory that she's looking in on us at least occasionally, or by asking Jiraiya for his help getting us in touch. We could introduce Akane to her too.
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- Phoenix, AZ
Pretty sure the best outcome we could have personally done was realize just how zero-sum and negative this event was, and hide underground so that people couldn't identify us. Of course, if someone had invaded Proctor-land or had external backing, that'd just screw us even harder, as we wouldn't gain any points either. Best case scenario given the meta was probably "Hide until final ~30 minutes, then appear and grab a list."
I'll settle for a "telescope." No need for a jutsu
My read of the numbers is:
139 contestants
- ~5 public DQs
- ~25 from Misterator Chaos
- ~30 from endgame AoE
= ~ 80 voters = - 400 points (I assume we never gave out our role since it never came up)
Hazou has ~104 names, leaf-nin are ~40, = +200 points from Leaf nin, then +~128 points from others = + ~328 points
So, end total is ~-75 points. Given the zero-sum nature of this game, and our large lead from the last event, I'm pretty sure this leaves us comfortably ahead.
However, if DQ'd ninja still get to give negative sums, then we get an additional ~60 ninja giving our personal details = ~-300 points. This would erase the lead we made in the last event, and rely on the negative impact of the other scorers, which I wouldn't count on.
If someone did their homework and identified our secret role, and our secret role was on the lists being passed out, then we're down an additional at least 400, which would pretty solidly take us out (unless secret roles were common knowledge, though my understanding was that they weren't).
Is... is it time?
[X] Realize your one true love is explosions and offenses to Physics. Break up with all the other losers.
