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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
We should look anyway but identify ourselves to him at the last minute so there's no chance for fuckery.
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- Yes.
Yes, I am very much in favor of this.
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- uk
Right, but you can leverage the same contact network you used to find them to find out if people are passing around *your* role. And make it clear to them that if it is passed around, you'll make their role public too.
OTOH soome people might not care and just do it to spite us.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
We are pretty bad at Spy vs Spy so lets play it safe and not blow the pretty good lead we just acquired.
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- USA
Someone brought up sniffing people to check for lack of alcohol as a sign of re-henging, that could still be a route to capitalize?
Huh. Ok, I didn't notice that had changed. Or maybe I just misread it the first time?
Regardless, we definitely don't want to allow information spread. A loss of thirty points may be acceptable to not fall into the trap.
Again, only works if that information gets to your contact network. You can't guarantee that it would get caught that way.
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- Yes.
Only to the ones stupid enough to not remember to do that. Which, admittedly, might be more than I'd expect.
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- UK
To be honest that this OPSEC thing has gone from quaint disgruntlement to frankly just irritating. Hazō is the principle reason for half of the group's firepower, three quarters if you include Skywalkers. He's the reason Akane is even a competent ninja, why she's a Leaf citizen again, why she's not just dead in the first place. He's the reason she has survival skills. But nooooo, he tells her allies (which wouldn't even be her allies if it wasn't for Hazō) about half a utility trick (which she wouldn't have if not for Hazō [and it's a fricken' utility jutsu she got precisely in order to use it around her team {and don't go telling me it's her team's skill; it's OUR TEAM'S SKILL SINCE MARI TRADED HER JUSTU FOR IT}]) and now it's all "look how endangered my life is how could I ever talk to you again?!?". It's just backward paranoia.
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I haven't really kept up with the conversation, but I don't think Akane's thinking this? If anything I feel that she's more worried that it means we haven't learned about OPSEC since the Mist Drain Incident, which (nearly) got Minami killed; which is bad for Hazou's future.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I mean it's a pretty useful cantrip but it's just that. Who fucking cares ?
"You didn't ask me first"
"IT WAS FOR THE GREATER GOOD WOMAN!"
It was indicated that Team Kurenai is not likely to aid us. AKA we can't leverage Kibas ridic sense of smell
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- Yes.
"YOU DIDN'T NEED TO SAY IT AT ALL!"
So, how many ninja do we think are actually left in the event? There were 144 total who weren't DQ'd prior to the event, and some number of teams wouldn't have made it to the event (let's guess maybe three to six teams, or nine to eighteen ninjas), and there were a number of disqualifications before our shenanigans as well as a number caused by our shenanigans.
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- The state of Paranoia
For the bolded part: the idea is that we can still guess which role each person has based on who they're looking for, but they'll feel safer, right? Because if we can't figure out what their secret role is based on who they're looking for, then we won't be able to help us or them. Meanwhile, it doesn't seem to provide them much security if we can figure it out, but I guess some of the dumber/drunk ones won't realize that?
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- UK
Maybe I'm misreading. I did find it surprising that the voters didn't catch it after one of the QMs (I think EJ?) basically explicitly warned us of exactly this.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Um, that's not what they meant: If someone rehenges (which they have to; there's 8 hours left), they will not smell of alcohol any more. Civilians will.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I would ballpark it at about ~70
We chopped out like 25-30ish from the sound of the update (20 popped in the chaos, 3-6 who popped defensive ninjutsu and some 7-8 who got popped towards the end by Hinatas reckoning.
So that brings us to about 115
I would say maybe 30 have been DQed for other reasons. So 85 left.
We can maybe assume 10 ninjas never got here. Puts us at a cool 75.
I would assume basic ciphers and encryption are a thing here but I doubt they have RSA or anymodern crypto knowledge
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- UK
The point should be obvious, but if we know hashing it's easy to set up channels where we can advertise our profession and vet responses without ever actually letting anyone know what the messages are.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I think the complexity penalty for that is too high and I'm not sure we would be able to formulate this in a way that neither fucks up nor gives @eaglejarl a massive headache.
Gotta get that sweet bonus XP
Ok, I think I've come up with a possible plan to trap others into revealing their secret roles, so that we can screw them over.
1. Bonku is the matchmaker. He demonstrates publicly that he is not henge'd. He will be acting as matchmaker in a secure room, stating he will not be leaving it for the rest of the event.
2. The Leaf Teams are informed of what the trap is. As such, Bonku will be given incorrect information about the Leaf Teams' secret roles, but the actual roles will be the Leaf Teams' roles.
3. Bonku, honestly believing the information he's being given is accurate, will be getting match information, which he will then pass on to us. The Leaf Teams get this information as well, allowing them to know who their matches are, as long as someone else hasn't copped on and scammed the system. (I will note that it took us several subjective weeks to notice this incentive to fuck over your counterpart - I expect only a few ninja have noticed this issue, as it's one of those hidden in plain sight things, in fact hiding behind a shiny)
4. We start spreading the secret roles of others at the last hour, fucking over everyone who fell into our trap.
5. MAYBE true matches get made at the very end of the event. Though there still may be time for information to be spread through hand signals and whatnot. Honestly, with the info we already have, we can probably eat the -30 points rather than risk it.
Thoughts?
1. Bonku is the matchmaker. He demonstrates publicly that he is not henge'd. He will be acting as matchmaker in a secure room, stating he will not be leaving it for the rest of the event.
2. The Leaf Teams are informed of what the trap is. As such, Bonku will be given incorrect information about the Leaf Teams' secret roles, but the actual roles will be the Leaf Teams' roles.
3. Bonku, honestly believing the information he's being given is accurate, will be getting match information, which he will then pass on to us. The Leaf Teams get this information as well, allowing them to know who their matches are, as long as someone else hasn't copped on and scammed the system. (I will note that it took us several subjective weeks to notice this incentive to fuck over your counterpart - I expect only a few ninja have noticed this issue, as it's one of those hidden in plain sight things, in fact hiding behind a shiny)
4. We start spreading the secret roles of others at the last hour, fucking over everyone who fell into our trap.
5. MAYBE true matches get made at the very end of the event. Though there still may be time for information to be spread through hand signals and whatnot. Honestly, with the info we already have, we can probably eat the -30 points rather than risk it.
Thoughts?
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Yes, the bonus to Athletics (Tactical Movement, at the time) to disengage from an enemy is substantial, and was added to Hiruzen's score during th Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny.
He just rolled garbage even with the bonus.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
By the way, how's the Sealing writeup going?
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
If there's some way that can be condensed for us to hit the word limit for bonus Xp then I'm all for abandoning the Fuck with Drunk Ninjas plan for that.
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- UK
Hashes can be dead simple if you don't need them to be good. "_ _ _ / _ _ _" is a hash of "why not".