Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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I mean, I did add "check: did the tipserator work?"; if it didn't logically we wouldn't go off chasing drunk ninjas. ...right?
Anyways, I'd expand on the matchmaking service but I sadly do not really know how it's meant to work. @Cariyaga @Enjou I think you two worked a lot on this, ideas?
I'd rather not unless I have to; given past failures I think having this stuff is necessary.
That being said, we're fine on word count ATM and if it does come down to it I probably will remove it.
Edit: Clarified that we choose the best out of the possible plots.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Something of note: It occurs to me that the more experienced ninja would be more likely to react in extremes to the Tipserator. It's possible we might have DQed a few of the top contenders there.
To be honest, I'm not sure how much we need to bother with the matchmaking plot. Or, perhaps, we should only do it if we don't get our secret roles from the rest of the Leaf ninja?
Emstar
The Shining One
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Ah, the way you had it made me think we were doing all of this. My point was roughly that the drunk ninjas would be menial gains if we have to spend time hunting for them.
I'm okay with this as it is
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The Talk with Team Clanless section should be clarified that we don't mean to talk to them in front of SuperTeam Leaf. As-is I could see eaglejarl reading it like that.
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One other thing that just came to mind is that, putting Akane's relationship with Hazou aside, the Goketsu Clan is now in her debt. I think we absolutely need to inform Jiraiya of this.
I don't know whether she'll be happy about framing the relationship this way, or whether she'll choose to call in the favour, but it's very much the truth of the matter.
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This is a zero-sum game. We gain from giving away information on competitive non-Leaf teams, since our goal is primarily "Leaf sweeps", we've already shown off, and debt is good.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Can we replace her with Neji?
Vecht
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Except for village/team/name details, which is positive sum (so long as not everyone has them, thus making their relative value nil).
Hazou is really not adapted to not being an international terrorist on the run from everyone.
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Vecht
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I think it was changed in a later posting by Oliwhail
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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For reference.
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Is that really the problem? If he had the character and disposition of an actual international terrorist, we'd be facing completely different issues, I think.
Though it is pretty funny to see him aghast at Hinata's very reasonable and forthright declaration (she was almost nice about it, or at least made the effort to appear so), while the thread has been looking at her suspiciously for a while and expecting betrayal at every corner.
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With regards to apologising to Akane after the event.. we should definitely do a proper, in-depth apology then, but that doesn't preclude SOMETHING now.. ignoring it completely seems like an awful thing to do!
Something along the lines of:
Hazou dogeza bows to Akane, apologises for the way he's been thoughtless here, and recognises the harm he's done. Tell her that for OPSEC and practicality reasons he knows he can't give her the apology she deserves right now, but that he IS deeply sorry and he understands why she is rightly angry with him. He is committed to making amends. Also indicate that she shouldnt feel pressured to respond right now, but that he knows he needs to offer her what apology he can immediately.
In non-verbose plan speak:
"Hazou apologises profusely, while preserving OPSEC and not pressuring Akane for an immediate response."
Something along the lines of:
Hazou dogeza bows to Akane, apologises for the way he's been thoughtless here, and recognises the harm he's done. Tell her that for OPSEC and practicality reasons he knows he can't give her the apology she deserves right now, but that he IS deeply sorry and he understands why she is rightly angry with him. He is committed to making amends. Also indicate that she shouldnt feel pressured to respond right now, but that he knows he needs to offer her what apology he can immediately.
In non-verbose plan speak:
"Hazou apologises profusely, while preserving OPSEC and not pressuring Akane for an immediate response."
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Cariyaga
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I liked that a lot too. Hazou's a cute kid. Really innocent.
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Very much against any kind of grovelling to Akane. Yes, we fucked up, yes she deserves apology as it wasn't our info to give away. But given that we haven't actually figured a way of preventing such things from happening again, making this a huge 'never going to happen again' apology doesn't mesh.
I'd rather just say "I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking; talk more after event?" and unless she says "no let's talk now" leave it at that.
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Regarding trading with other leaf teams - now that we have a ~100 names that we mostly trust, let's make sure we use those to verify any future trades. Hopefully any new information is accompanied by a bunch of data we already have, and therefore we can verify.
So I'm primarily arguing on not revealing the full state of our knowledge when trading, so that our trading partners can't just confirm what we tell them, and lie for what we don't know.
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure now that I've thought about it. I have a few ideas brewing. However, it occurs to me that contestants are incentivized to spread information about their counterparts' secret role:
So if your counterpart is a ninja from another village, which in our case is probably someone from Mist, then our counterpart identifying us means they can simply spread our secret identity to literally everyone and cost us lots and lots of points. Far more than we'd gain by a mutual identification. Which makes me wonder if this entire part of the contest is a big fat trap, because there's a big shiny 60 point gain riding on a mutual identification - but just telling twelve other people about the other person's identity will result in a loss of all those points, and any further people will start resulting in negative point gain.
The only way to really benefit is to identify your counterpart without them identifying you (no point loss this way), or getting the dual identification at the last minute when identities can't be spread.
@Velorien, @eaglejarl, @OliWhail - not sure if this was your intent when making these rules, so notifying you if you care to adjust this if it definitely wasn't and you desire to make a change. Also, for clarification, is a one-sided identification (ex. Hazou identifies his counterpart, but not the other way around) a net of zero points, or a net of thirty points?
If these rules are done up like this and don't get changed, we could instead arrange things so that we're tricking people into identifying the wrong person while giving their own roles away, and then sharing those roles as publicly as possible. Still thinking on ideas for that.
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You're missing the symmetry; if you reveal your secret identity to someone but they reveal their secret identity to you, you're both at net 0. ~~So if you also know all secret roles of the 12 people that know your role, and that lets you find your pair, thats net +60 for one-sided, and +120 for mutual trade (going from -60 to +60)~~ (this is wrong, see faflec right below)
Oh, nm i misread. Your partner can spread your secret role for big malus poitns for you, yeah. That's interesting!
Of course you can do that to them too, so you have some degree of blackmail potential.
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Unfortunately you and your counterpart have to identify each other to get the points.
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Oh huh I thought it was 30 points for each side of the pair, but you're correct.
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We can always choose not to reveal ourselves to the counterpart if we locate him before he finds us. But yeah this makes searching for a pair less appealing.
Got a QM quote on that? A literal reading has it as -30 if you don't discover your counterpart, +30 if you do, and your counterpart getting -30 if they don't discover you, and +30 if they do discover you.
It's useless as blackmail material. They could discreetly spread the info and you might never find out about it, or do so in the last minutes.