I am ok with the minor edits and additionsas they are now.
Adhoc vote count started by MMKII on Jun 27, 2018 at 7:05 AM, finished with 529 posts and 19 votes.
 
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To clarify: my intention is to go near a target (ideally Shin), whom we identify based on Hinata's pointing out and Living Roots. Be ~a foot underneath them, then just stick a hand up between their feet, release the Tipserator, and pull our hand back down. They'd have ~1 second to identify the hand and take any action. This actually provides less exposure to being seen than the current plan (which has us bringing our whole head out of the dirt). Additionally, by emerging our hand within the crowd, I think we're less likely to be attributed to an external threat like Team Super Leaf.

Ideally, we'd have another seal in our other hand ready to stun anyone who grabs our hand if they do. Yes, this would cost more chakra, but I believe it'd significantly increase the effectiveness of the Tipersator while also reducing the chances of getting caught. We'd need to get chakra from either Keiko, Noburi, or someone in Team Super Leaf. If we wanted, we could offer to frame the target of choice of someone who gave us chakra to pull it off.

Other contingencies include
1) how to mitigate political fallout within team super leaf should things go south (i.e. prepare our defenses ahead of time)
2) A strong cover story to generate if necessary
3) Actions to take if someone starts something before we release the tipersator
4) Actions to take if the proctors decide (external to tipersator stuff) to cancel the event because of Elemental Mastery shenanigans
Just to be clear, I think what you're suggesting is impossible. If I'm following you correctly, you want to:

1) Have Hinata identify the precise location of Shin's feet in a large crowd
2) Have her explain it to Hazō in a way he can grok
3) Have Hazō travel underground a hundred-ish meters to that location, without any way of seeing the surface or precisely mapping distance or direction
4) Assume Shin doesn't move at all during this time
5) Find the location so precisely that you can stick your hand up between his feet

Unless I'm missing something, this falls into "hell no" territory. Am I?

Hey, do I get a different present since my previous one got retconned away? :V
Your second present was that it got retconned so you weren't on the hook for getting every Leaf genin kicked out of the Exams when someone inevitably died. Oh, and having already ruined relationships with all the other clans. :p

@Velorien @eaglejarl

Can you guys give a readover and sanity checking before accepting it?
I just woke up or would have commented earlier. I'm afraid it's after 12pm London time, and @Velorien typically does not count votes from after the cutoff so this stuff may not matter.
 
f someone starts something before we let off the tipserator:
  • Observe if given the chance, if it seems like it would be dangerous to release the tipserator, don't do so, just abort the mission.

Also, just gonna have to say that Hazou's strategy here is supposed to be get in, get a good line of sight to see the crowd, use tipserator, get out. This whole "abort" thing goes against the Life is Strange type consequences. Hoping Velorien just ignores this.
 
Your second present was that it got retconned so you weren't on the hook for getting every Leaf genin kicked out of the Exams when someone inevitably died. Oh, and having already ruined relationships with all the other clans. :p
Best present ever! :p
Also, just gonna have to say that Hazou's strategy here is supposed to be get in, get a good line of sight to see the crowd, use tipserator, get out. This whole "abort" thing goes against the Life is Strange type consequences. Hoping Velorien just ignores this.
I think that leaving it up to Hazou would get around LIS consequences, wouldn't it? I don't know. If not, I hope he ingores it too, but I'm not going to edit it any further because it's past 12 PM london time (and I completely forgot that everyone in the world doesn't live in my timezone :p)
 
Also, just gonna have to say that Hazou's strategy here is supposed to be get in, get a good line of sight to see the crowd, use tipserator, get out. This whole "abort" thing goes against the Life is Strange type consequences. Hoping Velorien just ignores this.
If someone tries something major beforehand then it's already been botched/LIS-ed in its own way.
 
Uh, why did you insist on grey cloth instead of dark cloth, @Cariyaga ?

I told him in Discord yesterday that grey is better for stealth than black. Though I also stated for the situation an earth colored cloth might be best, but he might not have remembered that.

Black cloth is actually not great for stealth because pure black objects are fairly rare in nature, and even in low light can stand out to the eyes. Or, at least so I've heard. EDIT - this is also probably a basic thing they'd teach young ninja.
 
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I told him in Discord yesterday that grey is better for stealth than black. Though I also stated for the situation an earth colored cloth might be best, but he might not have remembered that.

Black cloth is actually not great for stealth because pure black objects are fairly rare in nature, and even in low light can stand out to the eyes. Or, at least so I've heard.
Eaglejarl also rated my earlier post noting that as insightful.
 
This debacle almost makes me wish we could vote for plan authors rather than plans themselves. Then @Velorien could direct his question to @Cariyaga, who is the winning plan author, and the latter could give a binding answer with the power invested in him by the voters.

Also, this grey cloth thing sounds like it should just be "Hazou's face is concealed", and let him figure out the specifics.
 
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Alright, got rid of that part. Added the suggestion tag -- is that to your liking @Enjou ?
and any edits after it came in after the deadline.
Adhoc vote count started by MMKII on Jun 27, 2018 at 7:05 AM, finished with 529 posts and 19 votes.
 
Uh, why did you insist on grey cloth instead of dark cloth, @Cariyaga ?
That's the best you can do without literally knowing the color of the terrain under (is it brown, or rusty red soil? Is there foliage? What color? Is it gravel?).

Wearing black is a death sentence unless you're in the dead of night (nothing in nature is really colored black) or hiding outside a volcano or something. Even then it's better to wear the color of the surroundings if it's dark out.
 
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Might I request clarification as to the actual plan you are going forward with?

To the best of my knowledge we can't go back and look at timestamped post edits, so I don't know which version specifically you are referring to.
 
Does anyone have calcs for tipsterator alcohol concentrations handy? Or, barring that, calcs for mist density that can be treated as a proportion of them being alcohol?
 
Does anyone have calcs for tipsterator alcohol concentrations handy? Or, barring that, calcs for mist density that can be treated as a proportion of them being alcohol?
The addition of alcohol should be a negligible change in the standard density of the Misterator mist.

Sake is like 80% water anyway, even without diluting it (which we instructed Nobbs to do in the previous plan to this chapter)
 
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