Cariyaga
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Well, given who her first crush was, it makes sense.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
TENTEN: 1v1 me irl
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Shikamaru: "Troublesome"
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The Yakuza are probably also collecting accurate information on all the 'next-gen' ninja in Mist right now, we can't tell them anything about the rest of the rookies, but is there anything we can sell about us without pissing of Jiraiya? Anna Mori didn't even talk about Keiko's status as the Pangolin summoner, might be less 'public' than Keiko thinks, giving the Yakuza information about this could change the betting pool giving said Yakuza an edge?
Also what seals are we going to offer? Explosives, storage , light making seals that don't die after 24 hours?
So you believe Tenten has a problem having a Harem of Mori girls? I doubt that.
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Ok, I want to rewrite parts of my diplomacy plan, as it has been correctly pointed out to me that they're too risky, and the risk isn't necessary for success. Replying to some outstanding criticisms before I get to it.
1. Is that a problem? Biologically, they're still his family, and acknowledging that bond is a conciliatory gesture. It shows he doesn't just outright hate the clan and can be reasoned with. Similarly, showing respect to elders costs little and can provide major benefits.
2. Which part? She should be fine being polite to people. Friendliness might be more difficult, but I reckon the Mori etiquette is unusual in general, and she can do whatever she thinks is best.
I'm going to remove all references to us still being loyal to Mist. But I don't want to replace them with talking about peace and cooperation. I know this is in line with Hazou's character mechanically, but I expect it to be received very poorly.
What we need to do is give people a jolt, force them to rethink who we are and what we represent. Talking about peace and cooperation as a traitor will only reinforce that we're a Leaf puppet parroting their propaganda.
There might be merit to talking about an alliance, a joining of strengths against a common enemy, but that might be getting too far ahead of ourselves.
We absolutely should if there's a benefit to be had, just not too publically. The official story is a propaganda piece for civilians and the rank and file ninja. No one with half a brain believes it anyway, neither our allies nor our enemies. Team Letdown don't even know it, in spite of it being part of a Hokage's public speech.
If we stick to the official story in private discussions with influential clan people, they'll think we're mocking or stonewalling them. I don't think we can afford this.
1. Is that a problem? Biologically, they're still his family, and acknowledging that bond is a conciliatory gesture. It shows he doesn't just outright hate the clan and can be reasoned with. Similarly, showing respect to elders costs little and can provide major benefits.
2. Which part? She should be fine being polite to people. Friendliness might be more difficult, but I reckon the Mori etiquette is unusual in general, and she can do whatever she thinks is best.
I'm going to remove all references to us still being loyal to Mist. But I don't want to replace them with talking about peace and cooperation. I know this is in line with Hazou's character mechanically, but I expect it to be received very poorly.
What we need to do is give people a jolt, force them to rethink who we are and what we represent. Talking about peace and cooperation as a traitor will only reinforce that we're a Leaf puppet parroting their propaganda.
There might be merit to talking about an alliance, a joining of strengths against a common enemy, but that might be getting too far ahead of ourselves.
We absolutely should if there's a benefit to be had, just not too publically. The official story is a propaganda piece for civilians and the rank and file ninja. No one with half a brain believes it anyway, neither our allies nor our enemies. Team Letdown don't even know it, in spite of it being part of a Hokage's public speech.
If we stick to the official story in private discussions with influential clan people, they'll think we're mocking or stonewalling them. I don't think we can afford this.
Cariyaga
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@Briefvoice
We should consider other services the Yakuza could provide. For instance, poisoning competitors. Note that we did not give any thought to our food being poisoned by that vendor Hazou knew from before.
It's entirely possible that the Yakuza would have people in restaraunts and such that could help us take people out, for a price.
(Obviously, not deadly poisons. Stuff that takes effect after a day or so that causes severe GI distress non-amenable to med nin treatment.)
We should consider other services the Yakuza could provide. For instance, poisoning competitors. Note that we did not give any thought to our food being poisoned by that vendor Hazou knew from before.
It's entirely possible that the Yakuza would have people in restaraunts and such that could help us take people out, for a price.
(Obviously, not deadly poisons. Stuff that takes effect after a day or so that causes severe GI distress non-amenable to med nin treatment.)
Also, it was an NPC versus an NPC in a situation where Hazou wasn't even around. Technically speaking you're only rolling for your own amusement... You could have simply decided what happened.
Will do.
Probably explosives to start, since the team has more than they can possibly use. Maybe some storage seals as well to sweeten the deal. Actual cash? Not sure how much Hazou has right now. Favors, sure.
Perhaps, but that is likely to sky-rocket the prices. Selling some information that will become obsolete in a matter of days is one thing. Taking part in an attack on foreign ninja is quite another... I doubt we could possibly pay them enough. Not only is messing with ninja inherently risky, but the village might view it as meddling in the Exam and execute a purge of the Yakuza to demonstrate their displeasure.
They might, however, be willing to sell us poison to use ourselves. That seems much more reasonable, as then they're just suppliers.
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[X] XP Plan: Sleight of hand
[X] Plan Restful Slumber Eventful Day
@Briefvoice Some thoughts on your plan:
[X] Plan Restful Slumber Eventful Day
@Briefvoice Some thoughts on your plan:
- Akane should take higher priority when dealing with Haru, since she's his teammate and also a civilian (Haru will be more willing to speak with her than clan-nin).
- I don't see the benefit of selling seals to Yakuza. Yakuza are civilians, and thus don't have chakra; you need chakra to use seals. I suppose they could hire ninjas to use those seals but it still seems really strange...
- Noburi, not Keiko, is our ace negotiator. Keiko has bloodline-related fuckery and her Social skills are balanced around Intimidate and not Presence/Empathy (what's the negotiation skill again?).
- Panashe should be among the suggestions for finding the next exam. For that matter, we should ask her what she found out during the last update (@Velorien?).
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+1 to the idea someone had earlier to use the Yakuza outing to bring Haru along. It makes for a natural way to bond with him about what we want to talk about since we can mention how we had to earn money to support our mother since she was exiled from her clan. That should dispell any and all notions of Hazo being a spoiled clan brat who thinks the world of his/other clans.
This doesn't mean we have to take Haru along actually (though we could if that is what people want), we just need to work in our reasoning as to why we are going to the Yakuza for information when we let the rest of the alliance know of our plan.
Not all Mori girls are the same. That's totally clanist of you and now the Harus of the Past, Present and Future will come visit you tonight to show you exactly that. With their fists.
This doesn't mean we have to take Haru along actually (though we could if that is what people want), we just need to work in our reasoning as to why we are going to the Yakuza for information when we let the rest of the alliance know of our plan.
Not all Mori girls are the same. That's totally clanist of you and now the Harus of the Past, Present and Future will come visit you tonight to show you exactly that. With their fists.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Any update on:
- Keiko's Pangolins/Pangolin jutsu?
- Character sheets?
- Unanswered questions from earlier update:
- Who did the other Leaf teams encounter and how did it go?
- Who do they think are the high-power dangerous teams to watch out for?
- How many seals did they bring in?
- How did other Teams locate the Exam?
- For any team who turned in word, put high priority on learning how proctors treated them and what measures were in place to prevent them from sending messages back.
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Are you feeling alright?
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Two other times to my recollection, once when we were training with Mari-sensei on Dispel (she hit us with an illusion of Hidden Swamp being Zabuza'd) and another time due to some chakra bird-monster that hid a mass of flesh-eating...things.
Can ask Noburi to consult with Akane and work on it together the next day. I'm sure they can handle it between them.
1. Seals are a valuable fungible good. Remember that the other genin view Team Uplift's extensive use of seals as a sign of wealth. If nothing else, the Yakuza can just turn around and sell the seals to Mist ninja to turn them into money.
2. We've seen extensive clues that the Yakuza have chakra-users (who may or may not be full-trained ninja) on hand for various tasks. The casino seals, the ninjas they had guarding their courier, the assassin... hell, just the fact that they felt comfortable threatening a ninja (even a genin) in Hazou's background suggests something. Remember that we've learned that many rich and powerful people will pay dearly to awaken chakra in themselves or their children, even if a full ninja village training is not available. I would be shocked if the Yakuza doesn't have some soldiers with enough awakened chakra to activate seals.
Good point, will edit.
I will add something once we know what she reported back. Though... something else to remember is that Panashe isn't a robot or a construct. She is a person with her own life and her own shit to be dealing with. It would be good to be a little judicious with how much of her time we're taking up and allow her some time off, especially as she was just summoned all yesterday and yesterday night.
I seem to recall that assaulting proctors is forbidden, but is it okay to do espionage against Mist to change people's scores? Leaving aside for the moment the question of "Yeah but how would you do that?".
Cariyaga
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If the yakuza are civilians, then who killed Nikkou?
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I don't recall her being summoned for that long? IIRC we grabbed her for ~6 hours on the first day of Stage 2 (to find allied teams), 3 hours on the second day of Stage 2 (the 3 hours to steal Night Lights), and an hour just now (to tail proctors). The last hour will probably be more, but if we summon her now I don't see it taking an hour for this job.
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Well, strictly speaking, I don't recall ever being told that assaulting proctors was forbidden...
If a team were good enough to alter the scores without getting caught, I assume it would be worth a lot of points, basically.
Ah, the halcyon days of massacring chakra beasts for easy profit and civilian satisfaction. Where did we all go wrong?
Cariyaga
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It would probably do a lot for her impression of Kei for her to ask if she's been alright with how much she's been summoned lately...
e: Also, easy way to assault a proctor: Layered Earth/Air (to combat Lightning attacks) Domes in concert with poison gas.
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One of Jiraiya's deniable assets pretending to be a Yakuza.
Jiraiya happened.
brb, rigging the exam
(Seriously though, I'm going to at least do some brainstorming on how we might pull this off given our shit Stealth and uncertainty as to Panashe's skill-level.)
Speaking of, @eaglejarl, @OliWhail, @Velorien:
Summoning cost for Panashe has led to inference that she only has 40-ish Stealth, which is something that we should expect a lot of candidates to equal or beat in Alertness. Given that she's supposed to be an elite covert operative this sounds weird to me. Some people have suggested that pangolins are just awful at Stealth, so their elites can be spotted by human chunin. Does this interpretation line up with what Hazou's seen of Panashe, or should we expect her to have higher Stealth than that?
Cariyaga
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I don't think we have seen Panashe much
Which doesn't really give us much information on her stealth capabilities.
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It's okay to do whatever you can get away with, but remember that the proctors are all supposed to be high chuunin/jounin in the Mist ANBU. Realistically, the only way we can get away with something is if they decide to deliberately let us get way with it, or if we come up with a plan so brilliant that it can somehow negate being completely outclassed in skills.
Like, I'm fairly sure that the only way Panashe gets anywhere with following proctors is if they decide to allow her follow them... which they might, if they feel it's in the spirit of the Event. Changing test scores, not so much.
Recall that when hunting teams in the Marsh of Inconvenience, Panashe specifically noted that she was staying away from higher Alertness teams who gave signs of spotting her.
Also, it's possible that the pangolins simply oversold Panashe as an "elite". Not necessarily maliciously either... give how much chakra costs can spiral up for more powerful pangolin, they might genuinely have been trying to find a compromise pangolin good enough at stealth and tracking to be useful, but not so powerful that the chakra costs to summon and sustain her are exceptionally penalizing. A real elite might burn out 165 or 240 chakra to summon, which isn't desirable with Keiko's current 300 chakra pool.