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100% this. The thread has to get over being unwilling to talk to people
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
100% this. The thread has to get over being unwilling to talk to people
Cariyaga
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Yeah, I'd be completely willing to do so with more privacy. It's unlikely that anyone will be fool enough to spy on the Hyuuga after what happened with that Kozu eyes before, I just don't think it's very appropriate to talk to him about within earshot of people who it, frankly, is not the interest of.
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Also @Briefvoice, you put a lot of effort into creating this plan and incorporating feedback. It's yours. If you want the Shikamaru talk in there, and there's no serious objections to it other than "some unspecified bad thing could happen because the hivemind has ptsd from the killbox incident", then I say keep it. If it bothers people enough, they can copy your plan, remove that section, and vote for that.
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I object to what @Briefvoice had written because it was a title and two supporting lines.
Seriously, if we're going to be doing a conversation with a nominal ally regarding what may or may not be bloodline-related (though admittedly this may or may not be true) we should at least flesh things out.
You know, I'm actually coming around on this. Look at it this way.
Hazou clearly wanted to be leader, but didn't want to force it over everyone's objections. So Shikamaru gave him what he wanted, forcing it over everyone's objections, in a way that Shikamaru would shoulder all the blame for. Now when you look at it like that, who owes who here?
Honestly, I'm just glad we've now got an open invitation to buy and sell Nara time.
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Flesh them out how? We're asking a single question, he'll either answer seriously or brush us off. If he does brush us off, that's that. If he doesn't, the conversation might continue in an unknown direction. To want to control it any further seems like excessive micromanagement. At most I'd be in favour of including a statement of intent for Hazou.
In any case, seems like Briefvoice removed it from his plan, so that's that. @Briefvoice you have a couple references to the talk left in there, should be removed to avoid QM confusion.
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*flashbacks to Kouta incident*
*internal screaming*
*unnecessarily aggressive panic*
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Yes but you are talking to a friend in Shikamaru instead of someone that had already tried to kill Akane
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Recall that the killbox incident came about as a result of us trying to excessively micromanage what Hazou said in an important conversation.
This particular situation doesn't have any dangerous failure modes I can think of. At worst, Shikamaru will be annoyed with us, and we'll apologise later. It's really not that big of a deal.
Okay, I don't see any reason other than curiosity why we should ask him. If we suspect that he choked then drawing attention to that fact may piss him off, and I think the tactful thing to do would be to pretend we didn't notice. If we suspect that he was lazy then there's no need to ask him about it. If we suspect some unknown reason, then it could still be a shameful reason, in which case see scenario A, and if he had some ulterior motive then he won't want to share it just because we asked.
I don't like the risk/reward ratio of asking him, but if we need to do it then it should definitely be in private.
I don't like the risk/reward ratio of asking him, but if we need to do it then it should definitely be in private.
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My opinion of why Shikamaru did it is the same as what @Briefvoice said earlier (gave Hazou credit while doing the work) and (my personal headcanon) because Shikamaru's bloodline gives the Nara clan as a whole issues. Like Keiko's brand of issues, only expressed...as apathy, I guess.
Do they even have a bloodline? They have secret clan jutsus, but I'm not sure that's the same thing.
MfD did some pretty heavy flanderization of the Nara, taking traits shared by a father and his son and extrapolating it out to the whole clan.
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This is probably metagaming, but the description of the Mori Clan's Frozen Skein from waaaaaay back in character building had them compared to the Nara Clan's bloodline, which traded their intellect for apathy or something like that.
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I find this to be a ridiculous explanation, to be honest. This was a serious situation, with very real stakes and a very real possibility of our people getting hurt. If he thought he'd do a better job than Hazou, and still tried to pass the torch for no reason other than he didn't feel like putting in the effort, then that'd reflect very poorly on him. It would also be a strange flanderization of his canon character, because he very explicitly does not act this way there.
This being bloodline related could be an explanation, but then why does Ino push him into it so hard? You'd expect her to be aware of these kinds of boundaries, same as how Hazou and Noburi would never push Keiko into a leadership position this way.
So I just realized something amazing. The Second Event was training for the First Event.
Consider how the First Event works. We're each given a piece of paper whose loss will mean disqualification. We are required to keep it on our person to show to a proctor at all times, so we can't hide it away or give it to our jounin-sensei. We are told that handing in someone else's piece of paper will bring about a benefit.
Now think about the Second Event. It worked a little differently, but it was clearly making sure that all the exam participants "get the idea" about stealing pieces of paper from each other to achieve ultimate victory. Brilliant! The First Event then adds complexity, because you have to ambush someone out of sight of the proctors so there's a stealth component to the whole thing, as well as more opportunities for trickery.
Consider how the First Event works. We're each given a piece of paper whose loss will mean disqualification. We are required to keep it on our person to show to a proctor at all times, so we can't hide it away or give it to our jounin-sensei. We are told that handing in someone else's piece of paper will bring about a benefit.
Now think about the Second Event. It worked a little differently, but it was clearly making sure that all the exam participants "get the idea" about stealing pieces of paper from each other to achieve ultimate victory. Brilliant! The First Event then adds complexity, because you have to ambush someone out of sight of the proctors so there's a stealth component to the whole thing, as well as more opportunities for trickery.
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All Shikamaru has to say: Troublesome.
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I'm fine with it if we do it in privacy. Put up an earth dome or something. I mainly didn't like the idea because I think it would be insensitive (if he actually was just being lazy. That's more or less like a genetic disorder for his family), but if we do it in private he can chew us out all he wants while explaining exactly how big of a favor he did for us.
Also worth noting that he established our hours as worth fully half of his (6 of our hours for 3 of his). That's really good, considering that he's the heir to the Nara clan.
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I did remove it. I promised you I would, didn't I?
Honestly, right now the plan mostly boils down to:
1. Get buy-in on a First Event alliance
2. "Plan to make a plan" - high level discussion of things to think about and discuss in a secure location later today.
3. Try to find a few specific pieces of information from other teams socializing post-Exam.
4. Report in to Jiraiya.