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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
So I'm thinking about "last 24 hours" edit to the plan for clarity.
What are we actually looking for with this First Exam team-up? To just find out the Exam locations? To collect as many Words as possible? Should I eliminate the part about 'Hazou not talking about words being worth points' and turn it into a proposal, "Hey, we think words will probably we worth points at the end... let's start a concerted cooperative effort to steal them"? Because some of what's in there now is leaning that way.
EDIT: Even if they aren't worth points, going all in on stealing words reduces the competition and that's not nothing.
What are we actually looking for with this First Exam team-up? To just find out the Exam locations? To collect as many Words as possible? Should I eliminate the part about 'Hazou not talking about words being worth points' and turn it into a proposal, "Hey, we think words will probably we worth points at the end... let's start a concerted cooperative effort to steal them"? Because some of what's in there now is leaning that way.
EDIT: Even if they aren't worth points, going all in on stealing words reduces the competition and that's not nothing.
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I'm assuming the update is going to end some time before the next event. Please correct me if I'm wrong @eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien.
I think we should just focus on obtaining as much information as we can for this one. Location of the next event is an obvious one, but tracking proctors and spying on their HQ has the potential to reveal a lot more - location of the final event, what the upcoming events are, the current scores for all participants (hampering the most successful teams is our most valuable play at this point), the patterns of proctor movement and how they act (really important if we want to impersonate a proctor), and so on.
It's important to have as many people as possible doing this, as I expect a decent chunk of what we get to be intentionally leaked misinformation, like the fake documents in the Mizukage offices. The more we can cross-reference, the more reliable our intel is going to be.
I don't want to ambush anyone right now, because it's risky and only marginally useful - maybe we get some more points for secret words, but beating up some random team doesn't help our relative standing much, and that's what we should be focusing on.
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So something like this:
- Negotiate cooperation on the remainder of the First Event. Hazou opens with the following:
- To review, first event is composed of three portions:
- Find other Exam locations
- Keep your Word safe
- Steal the Word halves of your opponents
- Turning in a word half will take one person to the exam location, but Hazou suspects that word halves may also be worth points at the end of the First Exam
- Even if they're not, each one stolen is one less competitor
- (sorry if this is obvious - want us all on same page)
- Proposal is that the Super-Group of twelve work together on first Event. This means:
- Cooperate to find Event location and details as early as possible through means other than turning in Word halves.
- Collect as many word halves as possible from opponents
- Protect our own Words
- This is not a commitment to work together in other Exams. Those go as they go, and we can discuss further when we know more.
- At this point need a handshake agreement before discussing details
- To review, first event is composed of three portions:
- Negotiation tactics
- Hazou uses a Deceit roll to create aspect, "Project Confidence" for tagging during negotiations; pretend he's perfectly confident his team could find the Events without help.
- Noburi to pour on the charm with Rapport and seal the deal.
- Suggestion Only (since she's an NPC): Keiko might spent a Fate point on "Bride of Shadows" to push Nara.
- Any teams not buying in on the deal
- Smile and a "that's fine" but obviously they're cut out of further strategy discussion
- Strategy discussion with any teams buying in
- Right now SuperTeam is at a relative advantage over other teams, being refreshed and having most of our chakra
- Most teams will likely want to get a good nights sleep and then try something tomorrow... that's likely why a 36 hour window was chosen, to encourage that thinking
- That means the smart move is for us to try something this afternoon/tonight while teams are chakra deprived and proctors may deliberately leave security loose
- Most teams will likely want to get a good nights sleep and then try something tomorrow... that's likely why a 36 hour window was chosen, to encourage that thinking
- Suggest that most immediate action is for Panashe to take Neji (if his team signed on for the Event alliance) to the hub the proctors are using so he can check it out and she can start tracking them from there to see if they're going anywhere interesting.
- Other than that, Hazou assumes each team will want to report in to their jounin-sensei for advice and feedback
- Suggest we do that and meet together in a few hours (mid-to-late afternoon), taking the time to think of plans and how to leverage our strengths
- For consideration during that time, Hazo would like them to mull over the following:
- Proctor building is likely where the real paperwork for the exams is being kept.
- Right now he thinks we should concentrate on obtaining as much information as we can rather than put emphasis on word theft
- Tracking proctors and their movements could be specially important
- Assaulting other teams outside exams and impersonating proctors is likely a "DQ if you get caught".. Which means don't get caught.
- Consider the following combinations
- Keiko's scout pangolin/Neji's eyes/Sakura's genjutsu/Hazou Silence mine for sneaking
- Hazou's silence mines/Shikamaru Shadow Jutsu/Lee Taijutsu/Noburi chakra drain for theft
- Hazou Deception /Sakura Genjutsu for mimickry... etc.
- Keiko's scout pangolin/Neji's eyes/Sakura's genjutsu/Hazou Silence mine for sneaking
- In the worst case right now we have three words and can always use them to send one person to the next Event and then the rest of us track them to it
- Hazou can think of two or three ways... sure that the others can as well
- After that, break up to report in
- Right now SuperTeam is at a relative advantage over other teams, being refreshed and having most of our chakra
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@Briefvoice Use Shino and his bugs that track people for miles; he could follow a word-using individual to get to the Event.
Are we approaching Shino? This isn't an open offer to any Leaf ninja; right now the text confines it to Team Fort, as those teams have provided themselves willing to actively cooperate for an entire Exam. Shino's team could have come in if they wanted but preferred to go it on their own.
When you think about it, what would be be bringing to the table for them? As a tracker-focused team, they will have zero difficulty locating the exams.
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Considering Team Kurenai spent the night ambushing other ninja in their sleep, they're probably just as exhausted as anyone else not in the SuperTeam. If there's a sentiment amongst the SuperTeam that we should invite them, we can do so, there isn't any downside to it. We should let them rest a bit first, though, and it's not at all obvious that they'd agree.
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A secure base during events, access to multiple skillsets...?
Hey, um...
You know we got that receipt, right?
Hazou could trace out the characters until he can forge the proctor's handwriting style with his high level calligraphy skill, then make a fake receipt saying we gave "top of the class" number of seals, and then claim the proctor is lying.
I can see a number of things that could go wrong with this, but it's technically something we could do.
You know we got that receipt, right?
Hazou could trace out the characters until he can forge the proctor's handwriting style with his high level calligraphy skill, then make a fake receipt saying we gave "top of the class" number of seals, and then claim the proctor is lying.
I can see a number of things that could go wrong with this, but it's technically something we could do.
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Wouldn't work for a number of reasons, like the fact that many other proctors could speak against ours, and the likely fact that the paper is also unique in appearance.
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That's nothing good, old-fashioned murder and an eraser can't fix.
The actual irreconcilable difficulty is that it's commonly known that we formed a mega-team and all cooperated up to score points. For Hazou's team to have a significantly higher point total than theirs from the Exam would shift the burden of proof on us. (Contrariwise, if the proctor actually had attempted to cheat us, asking how we could possibly have less seals than the other 9 would have been an excellent counter-claim. So it goes both ways.)
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It can be abused for other things though. Fake a note from a Proctor for any sort of nefarious reasons, fake that we did horribly, fake that we aced it, fake that we received a coded advantage for something during the event, fake that we received a map to the next Event but need help finding it from Mist genin (but really a map to an ambush), etc. in speaking with other teams? There could be something useful there, there could not be, but it's worth thinking about at least?
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I wouldn't try any strategy involving accusing Mist proctors of wrongdoing without consulting Jiraiya at minimum.
Incidentally, Keiko quotes 18 recorded complaints of Mist proctor interference in scoring. My understanding is that the Chuunin Exams are a relatively young institution, that they rotate between Major Villages (and maybe selected minor ones?) and take place yearly (twice per year in canon, but here it sounds like the rookies only took part in one). So if Mist hosts an exam every 5 years at most and the exams were established shortly after the Third War, that comes out to 5-6 compaints per exam. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail does this sound right to you? Keiko's comments imply that this is higher than for other villages, but she might be bluffing. I guess she could also be lying, but I assume she'd have to roll Deceit for that?
Incidentally, Keiko quotes 18 recorded complaints of Mist proctor interference in scoring. My understanding is that the Chuunin Exams are a relatively young institution, that they rotate between Major Villages (and maybe selected minor ones?) and take place yearly (twice per year in canon, but here it sounds like the rookies only took part in one). So if Mist hosts an exam every 5 years at most and the exams were established shortly after the Third War, that comes out to 5-6 compaints per exam. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail does this sound right to you? Keiko's comments imply that this is higher than for other villages, but she might be bluffing. I guess she could also be lying, but I assume she'd have to roll Deceit for that?
On the other hand, with hundreds of competitors 5 or 6 complaints per Exam doesn't seem all that unlikely. Crying foul on the refs when you lose is a time-honored sports strategy. It doesn't necessarily mean those complaints had any substance to them.
So if there's a month before the tournament, are the entrants decided before or after that month? Because we could definitely spend that month swindling people out of word-halves and/or having Panashe steal them (I'm unconvinced that she'd have as low as 40 Stealth, that seems really weird to me) and/or just mugging the other teams.
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Depends on where between 3k and 5k XP (given she costs 105 chakra to s ummon) she lies. I'd assume she's toward the upper half given that she's supposedly an elite pangolin, but if not, she might not even be at 40 stealth.
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@Briefvoice Reminder here. Me and four other people support this.
Five, if I wasn't included.
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I support this too.
Can I make the case to you here?
I think the absolute worst result, the way this could most possibly go wrong, would be that Shikamaru rolls his eyes, and says scornfully, "Really, I would have expected you to be smart enough to work that out." and doesn't otherwise answer. Which doesn't seem all that bad.
The best result would be that he tells us something about himself that will let Hazou better work with him in the future. Is he that uncomfortable in a leadership role? Was he trying to be nice and give Hazou a shot, since it seemed like Hazou wanted it? Did he really want to test Hazou, and figured if the plan was awful he could reject it?
But this is the sort of question you have to ask relatively soon after it happened, before the other person settles on a narrative of their own decision making. Not asking until we're back in Leaf might as well not be asking. And sure if someone wants to be an eavesdropper they'll overhear... but who cares? This isn't OPSEC; its a bit of personal interplay that probably will never matter to anyone but Hazou and Shikmaru. I think it's an interesting question to ask, with little potential downside.
If you're still not buying it, I'll delete it. But I think it's a shame.
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I think you're being woefully unparanoid here. Also, it's not just a matter of OPSEC, but personal respect. You don't talk to people about personal stuff where others can hear.
Okay, clearly I've failed to sway you.
And I think it's more than paranoia or respect in-character. Clearly most people in the thread are just not that interested in the answer. You genuinely don't give a shit why Shikamaru did what he did, and don't care much about a QM spending their limited update wordcount on it. I'm the only one curious enough about it to be willing to chance even a little in-character blowback.
If no one else gives that much of a shit about it, I'll delete it. It doesn't need to be in there to satisfy my own personal itch.
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I do understand why you want to do it. Hazou and Shikamaru had a pretty good chemistry from our team's first stay in Konoha, and you can see a relationship of mutual respect and friendship slowly develop between them. In that context, it makes sense for Hazou to ask; especially so given that the idea of voluntarily yielding responsibility in this kind of situation must be very foreign to Hazou.
I'm personally curious as well. Maybe we'll get less opposition if we try a bit harder to guarantee some privacy and a less adversarial tone to the conversation? You ok with waiting until teams are done reporting to their jounin-sensei, and talking out of sight of the other Leaf Genin? If someone eavesdrops at that point, they'd be incredibly out of line in my opinion.