Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Not if we don't use it on enemies.
Provisionally going with faflec's plan.
[X] Action Plan: Last-Minute Escape
[X] Action Plan: Last-Minute Escape
We can't really trust anyone who wants to trade with us to stick to any deal they make with us, so that's probably not a good idea.
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- Yes.
I'm assuming you mean Party Trick seals, not Night-Light seals. We don't have any active Night-Lights (no points) and can't make any (Hazou never bothered learning how to make them IIRC).
As for the suggestion itself...we'd have to send actual people (not our Water Clones, which we've been doing before this point) to do negotiations which increases the risk of an attack. Also, the plan I currently have is an escape-focused one, not a *beat-up-Mist*-focused one. I'm rather leery on the topic.
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- USA
Payment upon completion of services rendered. Also it would be in their own self interest to weaken Mist while working with Leaf due to reducing home advantage and learning the combat skills of Leaf teams without directly fighting us
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- floating away
Explosive seals by default have timers- I assume one with a longer timer isn't much harder to make than the default. Good point on the timing, though.
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- USA
The team up would be in service for our escape as well as allow weaker teams to pass where they otherwise would fail. Leading to more favorable marches further into the test. On top of that we could use this opportunity to network.
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But that requires them to know about our escape and be at least peripherally aware of the details (to some extent). Again, I worry that the enemy ninja will be more motivated to screw us over than Mist, both because of our skill level relative to others (we have a Summoner, sealmaster, and a fuck ton of bloodlines in this group) AND because of political considerations (bloodline poaching).
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- Potato land
So you use it on what you think is empty space, and end up killing ninja hidden in that very space. I still think it's too risky and am not going to vote for any plan that includes their use, unless it can demonstrate massive added value from doing so.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
If they're hiding well enough that Neji can't see 'em then they're just SOL
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- The Void
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Some updates
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- Potato land
Ok, so:
- Can we please drop the lethal explosive use? Banshees and our non-lethal explosive tags should really be sufficient
- Remember that there's a chakra tradeoff for Pangolins - each non-combat Pangolin is a combat Pangolin we don't have for the fight. Panashe is likely too useful to pass up, but after her I'd just roll with straight up bulldozers
- There's also the fact that Keiko might not like the idea of revealing too many of her summons for this
- We should move out asap if we want to fight. Basically roll through any opportunistic ambushes in the "Ring of Death", and hope to catch our primary targets off guard.
- I don't think it's realistic to hide our approach from them. Huge Pangolins rolling through the swamp will be very conspicuous. So I'd say no to tunnels. In the alternative timeline they had a Rock team who'd be able to detect this as well.
- Once we find them, open up with explosives and banshees from long range, then have Pangolins roll in with our melee ninja on flanks.
God I hate the way you guys constantly use bullet points in these plans. Every time I try to quote individual sections to write a response, I have to fight with the damn formatting and waste tons of times trying to edit out bullet points.
If Hazou makes 12 more in the next hour, do you want to distribute them equally for another seal each?
Remember you have to have special senses to see from underground. High alertness alone won't cut it. Are you intending them to actually surface during this scouting, or are you only sending individuals who can sense through earth? It's not clear.
Again, I'm having a hard time picturing how this works. There is very little cover and relatively clear lines of sight. If our scouts surface, how are they supposed to avoid being spotted and attacked? If they don't surface, how are they supposed to get more than very limited information?
If a group senses them and comes after them with Hiding Like a Mole, what kind of disadvantage will they be under fighting down there?
We don't have any Tunneler's Friend seals. They aren't on our equipment load-out, and Hazou did not make them in favor of more party trick seals. Also not clear where we're going. Do we want to regroup somewhere that we can hide, and then sprint for the exit at the appropriate time?
We will run out of chakra very quickly at 100% constant boost. It sounds like you're assuming running straight for the exit, but you have us escaping an hour and a half before the deadline. Where are we running to?[/QUOTE]
If Hazou makes 12 more in the next hour, do you want to distribute them equally for another seal each?
Remember you have to have special senses to see from underground. High alertness alone won't cut it. Are you intending them to actually surface during this scouting, or are you only sending individuals who can sense through earth? It's not clear.
Again, I'm having a hard time picturing how this works. There is very little cover and relatively clear lines of sight. If our scouts surface, how are they supposed to avoid being spotted and attacked? If they don't surface, how are they supposed to get more than very limited information?
If a group senses them and comes after them with Hiding Like a Mole, what kind of disadvantage will they be under fighting down there?
We don't have any Tunneler's Friend seals. They aren't on our equipment load-out, and Hazou did not make them in favor of more party trick seals. Also not clear where we're going. Do we want to regroup somewhere that we can hide, and then sprint for the exit at the appropriate time?
We will run out of chakra very quickly at 100% constant boost. It sounds like you're assuming running straight for the exit, but you have us escaping an hour and a half before the deadline. Where are we running to?[/QUOTE]
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- Yes.
Suggested changes:
- Check with Shikamaru, not Shikaku. Daddy Nara isn't here
- Suggest using Banshee Slayers/Banshees.
- Establish a time for when we attack. I honestly don't know if you want to attack immediately or wait until we're better prepared/have more Party Trick seals.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
We could use one of these to get out, sending a bunch a kawarami up the royal road, henge'd into bandaged ninjas?
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- Yes.
- Point to the new seals, I'll suggest that the leftover 9 seals + any new seals be distributed evenly among the team players if possible, and if not then Team Goketsu gets a minor (+1) boost.
- Good point about the Alertness thing, I will make a note of that.
- Clear LOS is only for our base, since we blew up everything that could constitute cover. Other teams may not have the explosive tags available to clear everything around, and may choose to hole up in a well-hidden/covered area. Which works to our advantage, and especially to Panashe's and Neji's.
- Fuck I forgot about Tunneler's Friend. *sadface* As for regrouping, the plan is to leave the Swamp ASAP, but I'll word it so it's clearer.
- I don't intend for a 100% chakra boost, I mean that we will run at max speed (without using chakra) and use chakra boost as appropriate. Will reword this. As for how we're running, I'm giving us extra time since I anticipate that the quickest route (out of the swamp) is a lot more densely packed than the routes leading into the swamp, so am giving more time to escape and/or plan our next move. Will try to reword this.
Here is the description from chapter 159:
This whole area is much more of a marsh than a forest. There are patches of cover here and there, but to move between them you often have to cross big swathes of open terrain. Coming out of a tunnel in cover will be very tricky... Neji's vision might be able to manage it, if he can really straight up see through earth, but that's literally the only thing that can do it. Even Living Roots won't tell you whether you're coming up in one of the patches of tall grass or in wide open land.
This seems to have been a big point of confusion in the thread, over and over. I keep seeing post after post acting like we're in a densely wooded forest. Take that discussion about setting the landscape on fire just a page or so back. I don't even think that's possible. A fire would quickly sputter out when it burned out its patch of vegetation and hit a big marsh area.
Edit: Here is a picture of the Florida Everglades, which one of QMs referenced. See something like this. There are big patches of trees, here and there. There are also bit areas of open water or lightly grassed flatland.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Ah. I was confused because it was consistently described as a swamp, not a marsh, and swamps have a pretty large amount of tall greenery that could be lit on fire.
Winged_One
Head Engineer of ATHENA
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- Low Earth Orbit
What is this civilian doing in our fort?