Cariyaga
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- United States
jfc Radvic.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I'm imagining someone starting a conversation with us, and in response we drop half a dozen Misterators and send out multiple groups of water clone decoys armed with Dust Bombs to cover our escape.
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- Location
- Yes.
Earth Domes and Air Domes need "enough force to shatter granite" to dispel the dome. Anyone know how much that is, and if it's exploitable?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Specifically enough to "shatter" it, not crack it.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Someone on reddit says that it takes around 7.7 MJ of energy to shatter a cubic meter of granite. I don't know how well that translates to a 60cm thick dome, but it's a start.
- Location
- Australia
That gets us hunted down by Leaf and the other villages for being too close to Mutually Assured Destruction. If you want to go there then first develop directed light seals to create a long distance semaphore system. Then modify those seals to increase their intensity such that the beams set fire to wood. Make an aiming apparatus, get a good sky tower vantage point and snipe buildings and fields with your death laser.Also, can I reiterate my request that we build massive death bombs in our spare time using implosion seal technology? We can slowly build them up and stop when we get to "city busters" if we want to avoid destroying the planet.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
Oh, @faflec, a potential survivability improvement: re-poison gas. Instead of rushing out and hoping whatever filter we're using works (btw that's *probably* an area extra attention should be given? We could do a couple other things.
1) set up a couple purifiers on the outside of the air dome, then make a second, smaller air dome in a few minutes inside the first one. That way the seals have time to de-poison the room we're in so it's less likely we get the last hit to kill us from the gas. This costs us ~10 minutes (I think that's how long air domes last) but reduces the chances we die to poison.
2) make a couple clones, give them instructions to go and place explosive seals to blow holes where we want holes, retreat to a smaller air dome, and blow up the walls without ever leaving the safety of the smaller air dome, let the building ventilate a bit before going out. Reduces the chance of dying to poison, increases the chance of pasting Minami's body, increases the chance of getting counter-ganked by the Jounin after blowing holes in the bunker before making hell on earth.
1) set up a couple purifiers on the outside of the air dome, then make a second, smaller air dome in a few minutes inside the first one. That way the seals have time to de-poison the room we're in so it's less likely we get the last hit to kill us from the gas. This costs us ~10 minutes (I think that's how long air domes last) but reduces the chances we die to poison.
2) make a couple clones, give them instructions to go and place explosive seals to blow holes where we want holes, retreat to a smaller air dome, and blow up the walls without ever leaving the safety of the smaller air dome, let the building ventilate a bit before going out. Reduces the chance of dying to poison, increases the chance of pasting Minami's body, increases the chance of getting counter-ganked by the Jounin after blowing holes in the bunker before making hell on earth.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I'm not 100% that waiting a few minutes would be wise.
- Location
- USA
I was thinking more the axe-chop super-focused explosives that Kagome makes. I figured we'd have a billion of those too, just on general Always Be Prepared principles.
Use roots to ensure no basement. Create thick MEW base. Throw enough explosives to evaporate the entire structure. Activate air dome. When time permits, examine air dome and earth dome to design air dome with seals on the outside.
Force, not energy. It should be trivial to generate enough force to evaporate an 11th century fortified farmhouse from the inside without cracking a granite dome.
Why? We're now even, and "the Yakuza" just did us a favour. Besides, there are other priorities.
Comprehensive thermobarics have a way of eliminating airborne toxins.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
That is a terrifying sentence.
- Location
- UK
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- He/Him
By the way, something that hasn't necessarily been made explicit before: the Yakuza are pretty homogeneous (from an outside perspective), but they're not monolithic. While they share a culture and methods of operation, they are actually a bunch of distinct territorial groups as opposed to one terrifying uber-organisation that dominates the entire world's criminal trade.
zap lunch
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- Location
- The Void
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- She/Her
Well if we swear vengeance on the yakuza it would be clear to Everyone that we don't suspect that anyone else could have possibly been involved. That way we never show any doubt that something other than what actually happened could even be discovered
- Location
- Australia
Is it ok if after swearing vengeance we fail to take any actions against "them"?
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- USA
I mean, they're Yakuza... chances are we're going to be fucking their shit up again at some point. Then we can paint "Don't mess with Team Uplift" on the wall whenever that happens and bam, vengeance fulfilled.
(There may or may not be opsec consequences of this, of course)
(There may or may not be opsec consequences of this, of course)
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- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Of course, I don't think anyone in the MfDverse has ever heard of "Team Uplift" at this point. Now if you wrote "Don't mess with the Cold Stone Killers"...
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
...To be honest, this bears the marks of Shikaku's pragmatism. Not that I particularly expect Jiraiya would make any microexpressions that would give himself away -- at least to someone of Hazou's skill -- but it's possible that he may have discussed it with Shikaku between us sleeping and arriving back with the team. I might be a bit naive in expecting Jiraiya to not strongly consider killing an otherwise-loyal Leaf nin, but I know for certain that Shikaku would.
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- UK
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- He/Him
I'm curious - what's your thinking behind this?
- Location
- Europe
[X] Action Plan: Blow this popsicle stand (Speed) EDITED
Except that would get a Hidden Village targeting them specifically, so best to go with "Yakuza" to at least make it look like this was approved by more than just one group.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
The Nara clan as a whole seems, more than most, to be highly pragmatic -- see immediate analysis and jumping at the chance to ally with Jiraiya's new clan. When dealing with existential threats (such as civil war), on a mathematical basis even the, say, .5% chance that Nikkou would not think through the results of her actions and tells her clan, or worse, anyone else about Kagome attempting to murder her it could well lead to a civil war. In fact, he could use the same technique that Shikamaru taught her.
Now, there's no guarantee that Jiraiya spoke to him about it -- frankly, I would ascribe it 15% odds unless Jiraiya was really uncertain about what to do about it, so perhaps I was overselling my statement before -- but if he did, I think it would be quite likely that would be Shikaku's recommendation.
As regarding my thoughts toward Jiraiya... I don't know his personality or leadership style well enough to say for sure whether he'd do so of his own volition. I'm having to constantly tell myself "No, the way Jiraiya outwardly acted in his office was not necessarily indicative of his thought processes"-- which is actually where this line of thought began. If it were indicative of his thought processes, and this was a Leaf-ascribed hit, then something would have needed to change his mind or get word on what happened.
e: [The following paragraph refers to Shikaku and Hazou]
Now, what else would he recommend? That I'm less sure about, in part because of my biases in favor of Team Uplfit -- it's obvious by now that Hazou represents both a major risk, while untrained, and a major boon, in what he can provide, and harming any of the rest of Team Uplift could lead to... divided loyalties. On the other hand, he's already provided Leaf a major boon, so... dunno.
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Dude, absolutely everybody, including the person who was just almost murdered for that exact reason, agreed that Hazou was being incredibly naive and that murdering comrades to protect clan secrets was a perfectly normal if unfortunate necessity. These were ordinary mooks compared to the world's most successful spymaster. This is a universe with ubiquitous scorch squads. J is not a bleeding heart. He is, by necessity and duty, a ruthless monster who at best gets points for being a bit less of a ruthless monster than typical for his position, mostly due to having extraordinary resources with which to afford that luxury. He absolutely would silence a comrade who became even a potential threat through no fault of their own, because people who don't tie up loose ends don't live long enough to become the world's most successful spymaster.
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