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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Kiba said:
This is silly. It's not Mari.

Have people learned anything from cute murder-girl and farmer wife?
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Mist Jounin CQC expert ambushes the team at one of the new meeting locations, uses the correct countersign (created by the joker-spy and involving heartless Mist ninja) instead of one of the distress countersigns the asset would have revealed under interrogation, fakes a nonlethal knockout gas jutsu to cover a misterator releasing a mundane nonlethal toxin, kills the one person J needs dead using an effortless precision counter of the sort Mari had used before, then leaves everybody else unharmed. The whole time she is completely confident that she can do it all alone locked in a bunker with a team she supposedly knows nothing about beyond their ability to take out a heavily guarded ship at sea without leaving a trace.

J was behind this, and the obvious asset to use was Heartbreaker Mari.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jul 21, 2017 at 2:02 PM, finished with 365 posts and 10 votes.
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    [X] Action Plan: Blow this popsicle stand (Speed)
    [X] Action Plan: Blow this popsicle stand (OPSEC)
    [X] Action Plan: This Is Not A Drill
    [X] Action Plan: Blow this popsicle stand (Speed) EDITED
    [X] Action Plan: No risky-business (risk-averse)
    [X] Action Plan: All hail lord OPSEC (Prioritize OPSEC)
    [X] Action Plan: Can't we just talk this out? (Diplomacy)
    [X] Action Plan: This was a Authentic Yakuza attack.
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faflec said:
We do have purifiers and apparently we don't need masks to make them work even in an environment filled with poisonous gas.
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That would be stretching it. It's one thing to use them as a field-expedient gas mask where you can put them on the ground and practically shove your nose against them while keeping still. It's entirely different to try to run around in smoke while using a purifier in one hand. A mask would be a big help.
 
Lailoken said:
Mist Jounin CQC expert ...
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Bit of metagaming, but I think a Taijutsu user doesn't count as meele weapons user, even if he uses a Kunai. Unless he does?

Velorien said:
Minami: Melee Weapons ?d100 + ?d100 chakra boost, -3 dice A-class wound penalty, 0 MC bonus (Hōzuki's Mantle) vs Jōnin: Melee Weapons ?d100 +?d100 Hōzuki's Mantle
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Lailoken said:
Mist Jounin CQC expert ambushes the team at one of the new meeting locations, uses the correct countersign (created by the joker-spy and involving heartless Mist ninja) instead of one of the distress countersigns the asset would have revealed under interrogation, fakes a nonlethal knockout gas jutsu to cover a misterator releasing a mundane nonlethal toxin, kills the one person J needs dead using an effortless precision counter of the sort Mari had used before, then leaves everybody else unharmed. The whole time she is completely confident that she can do it all alone locked in a bunker with a team she supposedly knows nothing about beyond their ability to take out a heavily guarded ship at sea without leaving a trace.
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This also assumes that Mari either kept two very powerful ninjutsu secret or learned them in the last month and trained them. Also I doubt Mari would have done it that way, too risky with Kagome around, she would probably used some other means to kill Minami off.
 
ContextBot said:
Bit of metagaming, but I think a Taijutsu user doesn't count as meele weapons user, even if he uses a Kunai. Unless he does?





This also assumes that Mari either kept two very powerful ninjutsu secret or learned them in the last month and trained them. Also I doubt Mari would have done it that way, too risky with Kagome around, she would probably used some other means to kill Minami off.
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I expect that those are written from Hazou's perspective and so wouldn't include any genujutsu bonuses, and because the lullaby was faked she would only have had to learn one jutsu. The one J quickly taught to a Genin. Because of her genujutsu abilities it wouldn't have to actually work, just look good. She can avoid being hit by simply convincing the attacker that she is an inch to the left of where she really is, which would look like exactly what we saw happen. Outnumbered close combat is going to be something an infiltration specialist is going to get very good at even if she didn't learn that particular, flashy ninjutsu to do it.

Mari probably had multiple plans, and may even have been shadowing the team from above when they split up so she could follow the one with Minami in it.
 
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Lailoken said:
Mist Jounin CQC expert ambushes the team at one of the new meeting locations, uses the correct countersign (created by the joker-spy and involving heartless Mist ninja) instead of one of the distress countersigns the asset would have revealed under interrogation, fakes a nonlethal knockout gas jutsu to cover a misterator releasing a mundane nonlethal toxin, kills the one person J needs dead using an effortless precision counter of the sort Mari had used before, then leaves everybody else unharmed. The whole time she is completely confident that she can do it all alone locked in a bunker with a team she supposedly knows nothing about beyond their ability to take out a heavily guarded ship at sea without leaving a trace.
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If Noburi diagnoses the gas as lethal, would that blow your entire theory up?
 
You know what, you're right. This obviously wasn't jiraya/Mari. It's not Mari's style, and I doubt he'd trust a mission this important to anyone else.

Good thing it all worked out though, eh?
 
Lailoken said:
Pretty much. Like I said, it's easy enough to check if we take the purifiers with us. The question is whether we really want to know. If it turns out to have been the dragonfly paralytic it's going to be pretty damning.
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I just don't buy that it would be.

I know ninja can be some ruthless fuckers, but ultimately the stuff with Minami was an annoyance. Jiraiya wouldn't be able to make all his political plans go the way he'd wanted. He might have to rethink a few things. But it's not life and death. It's not even ruin. Jiraiya can be pretty damn ruthless, and he surely would sacrifice a Leaf ninja for the good of the village. But I see no way he would dispatch a jounin assassin to take out one of his own ninja over a petty political powerplay.

Assassinating your own ninja every time something doesn't go your way would be pretty damn poor leadership.
 
traverseda said:
You know what, you're right. This obviously wasn't jiraya/Mari. It's not Mari's style, and I doubt he'd trust a mission this important to anyone else.

Good thing it all worked out though, eh?
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This seems like exactly her style. Infiltrate, manage perceptions, prepare a close battlefield, use surprise, deception, and force multipliers.



Briefvoice said:
I just don't buy that it would be.

I know ninja can be some ruthless fuckers, but ultimately the stuff with Minami was an annoyance. Jiraiya wouldn't be able to make all his political plans go the way he'd wanted. He might have to rethink a few things. But it's not life and death. It's not even ruin. Jiraiya can be pretty damn ruthless, and he surely would sacrifice a Leaf ninja for the good of the village. But I see no way he would dispatch a jounin assassin to take out one of his own ninja over a petty political powerplay.

Assassinating your own ninja every time something doesn't go your way would be pretty damn poor leadership.
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It sounded pretty important, and J didn't go into the details. Even if he didn't realize it then, it's quite possible that running it through Shika would reveal the necessity. Mori already described how his fragile position falling apart would likely initiate a cascade which would ultimately destroy the entire world. He'd kill her for the same reasons that he would have covered up Kagome killing her.

Beyond that, Mari could have done this entirely on her own initiative. She's got the necessary skills and position.


Really, I think the resistance is the thread wanting to believe that J and Mari are too nice to be this ruthless. J has already said flat out that he'd burn the world to protect Leaf and he wouldn't be the world's greatest spymaster if he weren't ruthless. She is a child incestual rape victim who exploits, betrays, and murders for a living. Mari honestly believes that she literally murdered Hazou in cold blood just so she could share a secret she knew she couldn't let herself be vulnerable enough to let him keep. She's as screwed up as Kagome in her own way. Having just gotten everything she ever wanted and the opportunity to retire happy one more dead stranger to secure it would be nothing to her.
 
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I think you're misunderstanding @Lailoken.

This obviously wasn't jiraya/Mari. It's not Mari's style, and I doubt he'd trust a mission this important to anyone else.

Good thing it all worked out though, eh? It means we can stop thinking about it.
 
traverseda said:
I think you're misunderstanding @Lailoken.

This obviously wasn't jiraya/Mari. It's not Mari's style, and I doubt he'd trust a mission this important to anyone else.

Good thing it all worked out though, eh? It means we can stop thinking about it.
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Good point. In fact, we should probably put those purifiers in with ones filled with lethal gas. They won't get mixed up, and that way we can be totally certain it wasn't J when we examine them before the mind-reading.
 
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eaglejarl said:
Oy! What am I, chopped liver? I have no problem selling out working with patrons to come up with an addition to something I'm writing!
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I'm sorry, I assumed you would have more loyalty to your long-time co-QM; my mistake :p

[X] Action Plan: Blow this popsicle stand (Speed) EDITED

@faflec @Radvic @otherplanmakers Regarding the use of Purifiers, slip them under a bit of cloth (torn from clothes) and tie it around the face.
 
I'm in favor of changing the plan to be less completely extreme. A healthy balance with an extra emphasis on speed seems better
 
We should (at some point) research inverting the purifiers, so they store pure oxygen only.

Might be a decent counter to skywalkers with further modification. Get up high enough that they can't do anything about it.
 
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Velorien said:
Sorry, that quote chain is too confusing for me at this time of night. What's the question?
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A while ago you posted this:
Velorien said:
I'm confused to hear this criticism from you of all people, given that you designed Minami's abilities. You gave her exactly three ninjutsu: a reactive technique (the jōnin didn't attack her), an AoE technique (which would have hit her team) and an anti-MC technique (she was fighting a single opponent). She therefore did the most sensible thing she could as a swordswoman against a ninjutsu user - move in and try to take them out before further ninjutsu could be used. If you can tell me what means of coordination she could have employed with her team - bearing in mind that combat time was ticking and there was a jōnin about to attack - feel free.
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And I pointed out that her AoE technique (if it was the electroshock AoE) could be avoided by Hazou and Noburi through the use of Skywalkers, which would allow them to levitate upwards and so avoid it. @OliWhail pointed out that Minami would have to wait a round in order to use the attack because Hazou/Noburi are slower than her (in initiative) and so they'd end up using Skywalkers, the round ends, and then the enemy Jonin would kill everyone before Minami could use her jutsu. @1234qwerty pointed out (in response) that the T(E)GR rulebook says Minami could hold her action until after Hazou/Noburi used Skywalkers, and then electroshock at the end of the round.

Was wondering if that would have been a logical alternative to going into melee: I'm not 100% since I don't actually know the specs of Minami's AoE jutsu and what it does (mechanically, beyond "shocking" people).
 
faflec said:
Was wondering if that would have been a logical alternative to going into melee: I'm not 100% since I don't actually know the specs of Minami's AoE jutsu and what it does.
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Hazō doesn't know the details of Minami's jutsu so he can't say if that would have worked or not. What he does know, however, is that it's easy to come up with "well, why didn't you do X?!" after the fact, but when you have a fraction of a second to choose tactics you probably won't think of the complicated thing that would maybe have worked or maybe not. Even if you did think of it, if the tactic failing would have made things worse (say, by flattening your teammates with friendly fire), then you probably wouldn't choose it.
 
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