On capes being socially useless, I'll first point out that the mindset of effective altruism, high-impact efforts is demonstrably not intuitive in our real world, given how people do not as one flock to the most high-impact charities and donate to sub-optimal causes instead. Second, I'll point out that in the setting heroes are needed to stop villains, since you can't stop a villain with a nontrivial power ranking without nontrivial heroes. Factor in the high villain to hero ratio, and remember that rogues do exist as a minority, and the only real thing you have ground to complain about here is the concept of villains.

On character choices, the Conflict Ball does exist, but is not all-encompassing or blatant. Taylor, at the beginning of the story, only wants to be a hero, even though she went though so much and had every right to lash out against the world. The way you put things, I'd expect Taylor to trigger and immediately go postal on the school. Those ambitions to be a hero were all Taylor. You have more of a case with characters like Rachel, whose brains were significantly modified on trigger, but to decry Rachel would also demand that you decry all fiction involving the mentally ill. After all, the author just twists their brain until it fits what the author wants them to do, right? But no, I think it's fairly obvious that good fiction can be done with mentally disabled people, and by extension it must be so that good fiction can be done with people like Rachel.

On villains existing, first consider that trigger events mainly happen to people with horrible lives. Then consider that even in our world, many people do horrible, horrible things if they think they can get away with it (and some don't even bother considering if they can get away with it or not). The Wormverse is no stranger to successful villains, so if you take a dreg of society, give them amazing powers, and set precedent, it shouldn't take more than a small push to get that dreg turning to crime.

And I'm afraid I can't identify what you mean by 'four or five more "because the author says so" plot devices'. What I will note, however, is that concerning the background and premise of the story, complaints can only be levied at internal consistency. Saying 'I don't like the idea of a Protectorate; I think a world of superheroes and supervillains would not look like this' is not valid, because the Protectorate is justified in the backstory. To object to the Protectorate, you would have to tell me why the backstory for the Protectorate is inconsistent.

There are a thousand thousand stories out there which write characters less human than Worm, even a number of works of great acclaim. I do not think Worm should be punished for having a legitimate reason for the relatively minor extent it exhibits abnormal behaviour, rather than just ignoring it or being ignorant of it. I wouldn't say Worm's rational, but it's certainly realistic. Including a Conflict Ball in the premise doesn't make the story unrealistic, just different from here. I can still understand not liking Worm, don't get me wrong, I just think your critique approaches from the wrong angles.

You have strawmanned my points and put words in my mouth. This has also transitioned from me expressing my disrecommendation of Worm into a debate on its literary quality. (A) I should not have let myself get drawn into that and (B) it's a massive derail from MfD.

What I should do is take this to another forum where it would be on topic and then debate you, but I just don't have the energy and doubt I will tomorrow between family challenges and having to write the update. I'm glad you found something to like in Worm; I'll let it go there.

God, I need to stop checking the thread when I randomly wake up in the middle of the damn night.
 
I like the music box idea. It's sweet and not obviously destructive and makes for a great gift idea. Something to keep in mind for when we're trying to come up with a gift, and I'd like to have it figured out in time for Akane's birthday. That's like 6 month. Surely we can fit it some research that's not immediately explosive.

All the better to surprise others, of course.
 
I like the music box idea. It's sweet and not obviously destructive and makes for a great gift idea. Something to keep in mind for when we're trying to come up with a gift, and I'd like to have it figured out in time for Akane's birthday. That's like 6 month. Surely we can fit it some research that's not immediately explosive.

All the better to surprise others, of course.
I like the idea of just making a seal to play Tears of Red :D

e: Although that could be an intermediate project pretty easily, to use for her gift if the music box isn't workable soon enough.
 
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I like the idea of just making a seal to play Tears of Red :D

e: Although that could be an intermediate project pretty easily, to use for her gift if the music box isn't workable soon enough.
I mean, yeah. Musical seal is very Hazou, and that's what I was thinking, mostly. But some decorating to make it more.. presentable? Heh. That'd be neat.

Also Mari's birthday is on Halloween. We should keep an eye out during our EN run for fun stuff.
 
You have strawmanned my points and put words in my mouth. This has also transitioned from me expressing my disrecommendation of Worm into a debate on its literary quality. (A) I should not have let myself get drawn into that and (B) it's a massive derail from MfD.

What I should do is take this to another forum where it would be on topic and then debate you, but I just don't have the energy and doubt I will tomorrow between family challenges and having to write the update. I'm glad you found something to like in Worm; I'll let it go there.

God, I need to stop checking the thread when I randomly wake up in the middle of the damn night.

I'm sorry; I should've realized that it was happening, and stopped myself rather than let myself further it.
 

That would be a good civilian weapon, but I don't think that ninja would find it all that much more useful than a regular kunai.

If a ninja finds their mark with a kunai, the fact that it can release a payload into the enemy won't be much more useful for the cost(because someone's going to die in the next few moments, probably). And if they want to strap explosives to their kunai, explosion-punching is better for close range.
 
That would be a good civilian weapon, but I don't think that ninja would find it all that much more useful than a regular kunai.

If a ninja finds their mark with a kunai, the fact that it can release a payload into the enemy won't be much more useful for the cost(because someone's going to die in the next few moments, probably). And if they want to strap explosives to their kunai, explosion-punching is better for close range.

Honestly, with some actual directional explosives, it would be a damn good anti chakra beast weapon. Not that much benefit over a normal knife for most targets, but it could really fuck up something with a thick hide and a lot of bodymass that would otherwise shrug off smaller cuts. Likewise for people with a healing factor.
 
Reactions time cuz the scenes demand it:

(each was individually more experienced than her, and their group bond seemed practically telepathic)

Hivemind confirmed to be leaking into the other PC's.

All is going better than expected. Soon we will have complete control over all of Team Uplift.

(not counting Kagome, the classic nerdy victim turned bully).

Oi, don't you start resenting best-paranoid uncle. He's earned that level of cynicism.

Not "Captain Minami". Not yet. But she would earn that much respect from them. Minami Nikkō did not give up after a single failure.

...you could just ask us to call you captain..?

Why must everything be so complicated with normal people, just be rational, gosh.

Kurosawa glanced back at one of the girls forlornly. Not good at hiding his feelings, this one.

We're working on it...

Apparently we need to level his Deception even higher guys.

"It's called the Clear Communication Technique. The idea is that you describe what you're thinking and feeling as clearly and neutrally as possible, so that the other person can understand where you're coming from. We all use it to manage conflict situations in particular.

"Here's an example. I regret the way I treated you during the briefing, and would like to apologise for it. I was uncomfortable with a new leader being appointed in place of Mari-sensei, who has led our team since its formation, and with whom we all have strong personal bonds, and I essentially decided to carry on as if it hadn't happened and your presence didn't matter. However, regardless of the circumstances, you are our team leader, and you deserve a certain amount of respect from us."

Ah look, conflict resolution in the chapter to immediately deal with the former outlined problems. Good on you Hazou (and thread) for addressing this issue ASAP, now we ju-

Which was a load of crap. Nobody deserved respect for being a team leader. Respect was something you earned with your actions and the way you presented yourself. Even Kurosawa knew it, or he wouldn't have qualified that statement so heavily.

Well... alrighty then.

It seems we need to convince dumb-butt that when Hazou says something in CCnJ, he means it literally with no subtleties, undertones, or double meanings. It's why we have it after all; we probably just have to tell her that we mean what we say exactly when we say it using said technique, but this shouldn't be an issue for much longer.

"It's fine," Nikkō lied.

Politeness it one thing, but endangering the mission by not resolving your interpersonal issues now when you have the opportunity is reckless behavior.

We should include that in our post-mission report to J-man. She has a lot to learn before she should be entrusted to lead a team on her own again.

(and giving him an OPSEC headache in the process)

Well, it's the painful thoughts that count. :p

how was he supposed to explain Keiko's circumstances without touching on clan secrets or the very personal elements of her relationship with Mari-sensei (which Hazō himself still didn't fully understand)?

"That seems like a matter that involves girl-thoughts. I am completely incapable of parsing such thoughts due to my own social ineptitudes. Can we move on now? I really can't help you in that regard, sorry."

Done.

When Minami finally let him go, it was with a promise that they'd make camp earlier tomorrow, to let him get extra sleep if he needed it. Hazō had refrained from mentioning that going forty-eight hours without sleep was part of Mist's standard Academy endurance training.

Good on you for having the wherewithal not to humble brag, Hazou. Have a cookie.

She'd also pointed out, with a smile that was much more like the Minami he remembered, that dawn was a very romantic time of day—though for once his brain had somehow come up with the same insight on its own.

Oh, snap, romantic character development in bound.

Part of Hazō's mind wondered what scale of explosive he would need to reproduce this degree of illumination.

Bigger, always bigger.

They turned back to watch the rising sun and, as naturally as a cloud being guided by the wind, Akane's hand found its way into his.

D'awwwwwwww.

"I've actually been in Leaf for a little while now, and…"

Akane tensed. Hazō had no idea why.

He isn't completely romantically savvy at this point, but I'm satisfied with all of the growth he has made so far.

Baby-steps,

...just don't make any babies at this point, please.

"When I came to see you, your father was there instead. He told me I couldn't see you because I was a missing-nin."

Akane relaxed.

Ah, minor crisis averted.

Akane nodded. "And how's Noburi taking the fact that Keiko is now his sister?"

Hazō blinked. "I… I don't know."

That honestly seems like something Noburi can take care of on his own. He hasn't really displayed any outward signs of still liking Keiko and he hasn't said anything about her all-but-confirmed engagement with Shikamaru either. Maybe we should talk to him, but saving Leaf takes priority, imo.

Akane didn't look surprised. "You two should really talk more. You'll regret not taking those opportunities when life suddenly takes your friends away from you."

Subtle as always QM's. Permadeath is still a thing, guys; plan accordingly.

"It's OK," Akane shook her head, "I knew you would. And things weren't too bad here.

Oh? How so?

Ino visited me in hospital.

*Apprehension intensifies*

At first, I think she was feeling sorry for me, but we actually get on quite well now.

Do I dare get my hopes up?

She's very youthful in her own way."

I DO DARE!

THEY DON'T EXPLICITLY HATE EACH OTHER NOR DO THEY REFUSE TO GET ALONG! THE DREAM LIVES!

Hazō didn't know what to make of that. Akane and Yamanaka getting closer seemed like it should have implications, but he didn't know what implications, or whether it having implications was a good thing or a bad thing.

Oh, it has implications alright.

Many, many implications.

*cackles maniacally*

"Did you and Yamanaka…"

"Not now, Hazō-sensei," Akane said. "I know all that is important and needs talking about, but right now," she gestured towards the rising sun, "let's catch up, just the two of us."

Hmmmm, deflection...

I really can't blame her for wanting to be a bit selfish after not seeing Hazou for so long, but Jashin-dammit do I want to have the poly-talk with Akane and Ino sooner rather than later. Of course, I want Hazou to be as prepared as possible for such a discussion, but procrastinating on it doesn't help anyone either.

Hazō looked down at their held hands, feeling the unfamiliar warmth in his palm. This would be most definitely a good moment for that barely-existent romantic part of his brain to unleash its powers and find an elegant way of putting what he was feeling into words.

It was probably the power of the high-altitude dawn, but for once his prayers were answered.

Hazou gets romantic when he's high confirmed.

Naughty QM's, tsk, tsk.

"You've earned another romance point," Akane said mischievously. "Have you been practicing on someone while you were away?"

"What?" Hazō choked out. "No, I haven't been practicing on anyone, well, unless you count training with Mari-sensei, I, uh, mean, you definitely shouldn't count that because it wasn't romantic in any way, and it now occurs to me that she and I changed to first-name basis while we were away, but that in no way means—"

Shit, what's our current tally on romance points?!?!? It's another type of XP therefore we must optimize for it to see what in-game benefits it will give our little no-longer-a-murder-hobo PC.

On the other hand, it's still nice to see Hazou being his socially awkward self in non-dangerous situations.

If only we could make him get flustered on command it would make romantic encounters so much easier...

All in all, a fun chapter to read and I'm looking forward to the next one.
 
Ah look, conflict resolution in the chapter to immediately deal with the former outlined problems. Good on you Hazou (and thread) for addressing this issue ASAP, now we ju-

Well... alrighty then.

It seems we need to convince dumb-butt that when Hazou says something in CCnJ, he means it literally with no subtleties, undertones, or double meanings. It's why we have it after all; we probably just have to tell her that we mean what we say exactly when we say it using said technique, but this shouldn't be an issue for much longer.

I have been metaphorically (and briefly literally) banging my head against my desk about this since the chapter drop.
 
I have been metaphorically (and briefly literally) banging my head against my desk about this since the chapter drop.

I wasn't surprise by Minami view on CCNJ. It's a tool to strip away all the social pretense around a conversation. You have to be convinced that it is genuine for it to have any value. It's a great tool for super nerds to navigate social situations. Which is why it was successful with Hazō Kei and shikamaru. Most non akward people will probably read it as sarcasm or signaling that the other party is to dumb to read the nuances of the conversation. It's actually a credit to Minami that she took it as well as she did.

Also I find it hilarious that we saw that Minami responded poorly to CCNJ and instead of changing our approach we decided to double down on it.
 
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Which would be fine if Hazou hadn't just spelled out what he was doing.
But that's the point it still reads as condescending.
Hazō: "trust me everything I say is completely genuine and in no way has any hidden meaning or social signaling"

I mean that's crazy easy to read as a social dominance move. Classic mean girl maneuver
 
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But that's the point it still reads as condescending.
Hazō: "trust me everything I say is completely genuine and in no way has any hidden meaning or social signaling"

That only reads as condscending when taken out of context.

The conversation was actually more like:

Minami: Tell me how to connect with the team.
Hazou: Sure. We have a special mode of conversation where everything we say is completely genuine and in no way has any hidden meaning or social signaling.

At this point Minami crying "bullshit" is unreasonable.
 
That only reads as condscending when taken out of context.

The conversation was actually more like:

Minami: Tell me how to connect with the team.
Hazou: Sure. We have a special mode of conversation where everything we say is completely genuine and in no way has any hidden meaning or social signaling.

At this point Minami crying "bullshit" is unreasonable.
It's probably not a good sign that I immediately read Hazou's line as sarcastic, even though I know what CCnJ is and how effective it is and how to use it.

E: I think part of the problem is the number of adjectives we attach to it, saying completely and in no way makes it sound really sarcastic to someone on the outside. I know that you didn't mean it that way, and I know it isn't that way, but I don't think that it's easy to get across that there are no intentional second level signals happening.
 
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That only reads as condscending when taken out of context.

The conversation was actually more like:

Minami: Tell me how to connect with the team.
Hazou: Sure. We have a special mode of conversation where everything we say is completely genuine and in no way has any hidden meaning or social signaling.

At this point Minami crying "bullshit" is unreasonable.

See but you are putting the best spin on it. Minami has already been made to feel like an outsider and then we have Hazō tell her that she can bond with the team by stripping away all signaling in a conversation. Of course that's not going to be read as genuine. It's kinda a classic move to get people to open up to you so you can tear them down.
Of course we know that's not what we are trying to do but Minami doesn't. I expect if we keep trying to bring her in this way we will just drive her farther away from the team.
I would just treat her with respect and slowly develop a relationship over the mission. We don't desperately need to pander to her every update. Though if we do I expect the results to be hilarious and awkward for all involved.
 
It's probably not a good sign that I immediately read Hazou's line as sarcastic, even though I know what CCnJ is and how effective it is and how to use it.

That could just be because it was copy-pasted directly from a comment that was trying to make Hazou sound insincere and condescending, but that is still a bad sign.

See but you are putting the best spin on it.

I copy-pasted your line and changed the "I"s to "we"s. If anything, it's using your spin.

I expect if we keep trying to bring her in this way we will just drive her farther away from the team.

I expect it to work if she sees us using CCnJ amongst ourselves and therefore that it is indeed sincere.
 
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I think Homestuck in particular varies more in reviews because of its medium. As someone who disliked the format though I'm biased.
 
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