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I mean before akatsuki showed up leaf was probably going to end up trading 1s ranker for 3 of mists which is pretty good imho
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
I mean before akatsuki showed up leaf was probably going to end up trading 1s ranker for 3 of mists which is pretty good imho
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Do we know if the chakra channeling bit of Skywalkers would be difficult to integrate into something else as a trigger mechanism or if it was just hard to figure out properly the first time?
I was considering Spider Web Seals as a variation on Goo Bomb seals. Sends out a a string of chakra that attaches to the first thing it hits and remains so for as long as chakra is channeled. Stopping channeling detaches/dissipates the web and reactivating it renews the process. Can be used for manipulating enemies in melee or enemies' weapons from range, for pulling yourself or allies out of the way of attacks, or pulling enemies into them, or to trip an enemy, etc.
Or to tear someone's body apart in combination with Vacuum Step
I was considering Spider Web Seals as a variation on Goo Bomb seals. Sends out a a string of chakra that attaches to the first thing it hits and remains so for as long as chakra is channeled. Stopping channeling detaches/dissipates the web and reactivating it renews the process. Can be used for manipulating enemies in melee or enemies' weapons from range, for pulling yourself or allies out of the way of attacks, or pulling enemies into them, or to trip an enemy, etc.
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From Hiashi (and co.)'s POV we did. Or at the least they will argue for it.
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For how Minami takes Hazou coming up with a plan, he did just spend all night going over the team's strengths and weaknesses, and Hazou "Instant Tactical Plan Boy" is enough of a thing that it would have come up.
She should be at least prepared for it to happen.
She should be at least prepared for it to happen.
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Huh, I wonder what would happen if we managed to side-load some CS, especially semantics engineering, into Hazou's brain. There's no way it's possible for humans to design seals and for Hazou to be unable to make a better "sealing language" with that CS knowledge. (well, he'd need a decent amount of maths too, esp abstract algebra and category theory.)
Cariyaga
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Hm... Theoretically, would it be possible for us to practice such a wide variety of basic seals such that we could write up a new (obviously still super basic) one without researching?
...definitely not a question to ask Kagome.
Cariyaga
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Make a seal that plays Tears of Red for Akane's birthday.
Jello_Raptor
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Did you know player pianos are generally credited with being important in the creation of the computer?
Cariyaga
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Make a set of seals that you put in a piano rather than wires so that we can finally have a perfectly tuned piano.
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I was thinking a player piano that uses repeatable LBF seals and a scroll with holes punched in it, but that works too.
Cariyaga
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Hm... do hand crank music boxes exist?
Jello_Raptor
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Probably? but they'd be quite costly, they're very much a luxury good that requires fine metalwork.
I was thinking we can take the basic "player piano" concept, add hole-punch seals (very tiny repeatable shaped charges), and some basic logic seals (simple gates), and get to basic computing. Enough for artillery tables at least.
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Casino seals would be a great way to start that project.
Jello_Raptor
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Ooh, I bet Nobby would appreciate versions that can record and playback local chakra levels. It's an incredibly basic medical device, but it's a medical device.
Cariyaga
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What would we use as a frame of measurement? Number-of-henges-possible?
I do like the idea a lot, though. Perfect start to medically-useful seals, and makes good use of casino seal tech tree
Yup. Probably research all the beginner seals we have and then get started on that.
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What would we use as a frame of measurement? Number-of-henges-possible?
Sure, it's not like it actually matters.
I mean, sure eventually we'll be using giga-chakron-volts or something, in the meantime, a millihenge is fine.
It's easy to record sounds if you know the mechanism involved. I am not sure how you'll make a leap to recording sounds with seals that only make sound.
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Splice it from storage seals. They take in objects and release said objects later. We can apply the same concept to sound, maybe.
I dunno, seals are weird.
Cariyaga
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That does sound like seal-logic.
Recording sounds is conceptually simple enough that we don't have to resort to inventing a novel seal.
The idea is that a recording medium have grooves engraved into them that will vibrate a stylus, which will vibrate a diaphragm(think beating on a drum), outputting noise.
All we need to do is to make Hazō realize how sounds are made: vibration through the air.
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First, a cheat is a cheat, period. If you literally hand a character a Conflict Ball that's a cheat. It's hackneyed and lazy, but maybe it can lead to an interesting and fair story if you focus on the non-Conflicted people. If you give EVERY character a Conflict Ball and then stack up four or five more "because the author says so" plot devices, you're cheating. That is not a rational or realistic setting, The characters are not human beings that can be empathized with -- they are windup toys, action figures that the author is smashing together to make pretty explosions. It robs the grimdark of any value because it's not actually based on character choices.
As to Taylor and being socially useless -- sure, fine, she was a teenager, not very self-aware, and all her role models used their powers for punching. She can probably get a pass on deciding that punching a few skinheads is a better way to improve the world than preventing millions of deaths from disease and starvation by removing all lice etc from an area + having insects kill the rats and dispose of their bodies + remove all pests from fields, etc. No doubt punching is also better than volunteering to make spidersilk armor for every cop, or half a dozen other high-impact options that I could come up with if I thought about it for five minutes.
So, fine, Taylor gets a pass on all of that. What's everyone else's excuse? (Answer: a stack of narrative cheats.)
Sure, no problem. Just draw whatever you feel like for a blank and then infuse it. What could go wrong?
Cariyaga
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In fairness to Homestuck, I went in without having heard anything about it (a friend mentioned Problem Sleuth to me but said nothing of Homestuck) and thoroughly enjoyed it, so... YMMV.
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On capes being socially useless, I'll first point out that the mindset of effective altruism, high-impact efforts is demonstrably not intuitive in our real world, given how people do not as one flock to the most high-impact charities and donate to sub-optimal causes instead. Second, I'll point out that in the setting heroes are needed to stop villains, since you can't stop a villain with a nontrivial power ranking without nontrivial heroes. Factor in the high villain to hero ratio, and remember that rogues do exist as a minority, and the only real thing you have ground to complain about here is the concept of villains.
On character choices, the Conflict Ball does exist, but is not all-encompassing or blatant. Taylor, at the beginning of the story, only wants to be a hero, even though she went though so much and had every right to lash out against the world. The way you put things, I'd expect Taylor to trigger and immediately go postal on the school. Those ambitions to be a hero were all Taylor. You have more of a case with characters like Rachel, whose brains were significantly modified on trigger, but to decry Rachel would also demand that you decry all fiction involving the mentally ill. After all, the author just twists their brain until it fits what the author wants them to do, right? But no, I think it's fairly obvious that good fiction can be done with mentally disabled people, and by extension it must be so that good fiction can be done with people like Rachel.
On villains existing, first consider that trigger events mainly happen to people with horrible lives. Then consider that even in our world, many people do horrible, horrible things if they think they can get away with it (and some don't even bother considering if they can get away with it or not). The Wormverse is no stranger to successful villains, so if you take a dreg of society, give them amazing powers, and set precedent, it shouldn't take more than a small push to get that dreg turning to crime.
And I'm afraid I can't identify what you mean by 'four or five more "because the author says so" plot devices'. What I will note, however, is that concerning the background and premise of the story, complaints can only be levied at internal consistency. Saying 'I don't like the idea of a Protectorate; I think a world of superheroes and supervillains would not look like this' is not valid, because the Protectorate is justified in the backstory. To object to the Protectorate, you would have to tell me why the backstory for the Protectorate is inconsistent.
There are a thousand thousand stories out there which write characters less human than Worm, even a number of works of great acclaim. I do not think Worm should be punished for having a legitimate reason for the relatively minor extent it exhibits abnormal behaviour, rather than just ignoring it or being ignorant of it. I wouldn't say Worm's rational, but it's certainly realistic. Including a Conflict Ball in the premise doesn't make the story unrealistic, just different from here. I can still understand not liking Worm, don't get me wrong, I just think your critique approaches from the wrong angles.